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Here is a narrative for you. Trump has had a "concept of a plan" for healthcare without actually presenting one since 2015. Sometimes you dismiss facts as a narrative. That happens quite often in trumplandia.

He first promised a comprehensive replacement plan for the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) on the campaign trail in September 2015, famously declaring: "I am going to take care of everybody... Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

Sure. The screen name Bull seems quite appropriate. Now carry on and rant some more. That seems to be what you do best lately.

I'm not sure it means what you think it means. I think the investment would be coming from multinational corporations (MNCs), not tax payer money. I still think it's shady. Basically Trump "facilitating" MNCs getting sweetheart deals to build facilities and extract what they can in Iran, and probably trying to get kickbacks/finder's fees is what it sounds like to me. (Or he just plans to invest in the MNCs before the deals go public.) Iran gets tax income. Trump seems to always be looking for ways to make a buck using other peoples' money, no matter what he's allegedly doing.

It's kind of weird to me that this is leaking from the Iranian side. Iran suddenly wanting American companies in their country doesn't really add up for me with all their rhetoric about the evils of western capitalism. Makes me wonder if some stuffed envelopes were slipped into some pockets figuratively speaking.

You're projecting again. And ignoring the topic. Still think you need 90% HEU to make nukes?

Here is a little more detailed article that says alot of the same talking points. And, there better not be any taxpayer money going to this.
It more seems like trump and his merry band of billionaires going from country to country where there is lots of oil/gas/rare earth minerals and starting something so they can gain access to markets.



Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...p;utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Let's get down to the brass tacks here.

You have been engaging in making an argument for war. I have been arguing that there is not at least some immediate case for war.

My argument is based on several reasons. First I am not in favor of being the world police. Iran has no method of deploying long range missiles anywhere close to capable of reaching the U.S nor our allies in Europe. As such they are currently of no imminent threat to us. Yes I understand that there is some very remote possibility that someone could somehow sneak a dirty bomb through an airport in Iran to some neutral country, since we accept no direct flights from Iran, then pass customs in that nation, then again when it is reloaded on a connecting flight and yet once again pass customs in the U.S. However that sounds much more like something form a fictional spy novel than it does reality. Some remote possibility isn't a legitimate cause for war.

You have seemed to indicate that the reason our NATO allies have not gotten involved is because of political reasons and that war is not popular to their people. Yet from a political standpoint and from a popularity perspective war was no more popular when we went to war with both Iraq and Afghanistan. Both times our allies fought beside us. I do believe that Iran taught them not be so blindly trusting of the U.S. and has made them more cautious.

But if anything they have even greater reason to capitulate in helping us now than they did then. Trump has threatened the NATO alliance. He has struck them financially with tariffs. He is the most vindictive and punitive president in my lifetime. They fully realize the grave possible consequences of telling him no. Yet they have done so anyway.

We know that Iran and Israel have been "warring it" for decades now. We know if anyone is at risk from Iran it's Israel. As of now Israel is fighting Iran's proxies in both Lebanon and Gaza while we're fighting them in Iran. Something Netanyahu has been trying to achieve for decades now.

The world sees these things. The world understand these things. And the world isn't prepared to fight an entire war for Israel. Not even our own allies.

You have laid out some very good and informative information that helps explain a lot. But I doubt you get a response from him. He is too focused and obsessed with me for some very strange and somewhat creepy reason.