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It's a good trade,frees up salary that can be used to resign that perv QB.
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What does do this do for the cap? I thought trading Myles was not in the cards because of his huge salary. Will the Browns be completely free of his contract for the ‘27 season?

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Originally Posted by oobernoober
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Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year.

IMO, that may not be enough ammo for a fQB prospect... but without Garrett one could argue we'll still be picking fairly high.

Maybe, maybe not. We know we will have 2 1st rounders to trade next year. It sounds like we will pick up a 2028 2nd rounder which could allow is to give up that 1st rounder as well.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
IMO we did not get enough for Myles.


I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it.

Who knows what commitment/promise was made to go along with the re-signing a couple years ago? And I will maintain, if the guy is steadfast in not wanting to play another losing season for the Browns, then get what you can and let him go. I may not always think highly of Berry's draft picks - but he's shown a good level of competency in his trade negotiations. I would have to believe this is the best deal available and taking it is better than refusing it and keeping an unmotivated player with a penchant for speeding on your roster.

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I am getting more pissed by the minute.

Myles was the first pick in the draft. We had to suck to get that pick.

Baker was the first pick. The first pick guarantees nothing. Myles is a Hall of Famer. It's really hard to draft a player of that caliber.

Verse is averaging about 6/7 sacks a year. The 27 first rounder will be near the bottom.

What did we gain to really get a shot at what "may be" a good quarterback in the 27 draft?

We have weakened the team this year and gained little to impact the draft next year.

Our best chance to to get a quarterback in 27 is to lose every game. Or, hope there is quarterback when we pick.

The only thing that is certain is we are worse right now then we were yesterday.

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Originally Posted by mgh888
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.


I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it.

That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well.


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What does do this do for the cap? I thought trading Myles was not in the cards because of his huge salary. Will the Browns be completely free of his contract for the ‘27 season?



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What does do this do for the cap? I thought trading Myles was not in the cards because of his huge salary. Will the Browns be completely free of his contract for the ‘27 season?


Thank you for posting that. I'm reading it now, and that article is stating that the draft comp could be more than the 3 picks disclosed? If so, now we're talking.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.


I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it.

That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well.

On the other hand, your house can't ask you to sell it. And houses don't have no trade clauses which limit the potential buyers.

From Myles perspective, it may have been LA or bust. His GF was born and raised in Cali, lives, and trains there. Plus, he wanted to go to a contender.

We don't know what we got yet. There's a non-zero chance Verse ascends, Myles descends, and the Rams perform below expectations, and the picks will have to work themselves out wherever they end up landing.

I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I think some people are undervaluing Verse.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
I hope there is more.

Rams first and a player who has 14 career sacks. The Rams are on the track to win a Super Bowl.

First rounder is pick 32 or close.

So that pick is going to get us to the top pick QB in 2027?

Right now I am not liking this. Berry traded for DW and now traded the best player in football.

How do we trade Myles if we cannot be sure to have the ammo to get the top QB in the draft.

Parsons brought more?

I just read this:
The rest of the compensation includes a 2028 second-round pick and a 2029 third-round pick.

Not enough the way I see it. Not happy.

I would argue Parsons did NOT bring more...

Parsons trade brought the Cowboys:
30 year old Kenny Clark(worth about a 3rd round pick), not the same level as Verse. MAYBE worth a 2nd on his own, probably would trade as a 3rd on his own.
2026 first (20 overall)
2027 first

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25 year old Jared Verse(worth your second 1st round pick, if traded today on his own, I would be shocked if he didn't bring a first round pick. He has lived up to his #19 overall draft pick.
2027 first
2028 second
2029 third

We won't know what the value of the later picks are until the seasons end obviously, but a 2nd and 3rd can obviously = a first.

My point here is, I believe a 25 year old Verse entering his prime is worth a lot more to a defense than a 30 year old Clark who was declining.

Obviously we would then have to debate the value of Parson's vs Garrett as well.. We are probably biased towards Garrett, but it is 30 year old Garrett vs 26 year old Parsons.

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Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.


I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it.

That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well.

On the other hand, your house can't ask you to sell it. And houses don't have no trade clauses which limit the potential buyers.

From Myles perspective, it may have been LA or bust. His GF was born and raised in Cali, lives, and trains there. Plus, he wanted to go to a contender.

We don't know what we got yet. There's a non-zero chance Verse ascends, Myles descends, and the Rams perform below expectations, and the picks will have to work themselves out wherever they end up landing.

I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I think some people are undervaluing Verse.

I forgot about the no-trade clause. Good point.

I think I'm getting hung up on only 3 picks spread over 3 years. I'm not sure that's enough ammo to go and get yourself a legit QB prospect.


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The Browns may as well move Denzel.

We are not going to win many games so if you are going to be bad. Be the worst.

As much as I hate this. It probably makes sense.

The only way trading Myles makes any sense is to land the best QB in the 27 draft. They did not assure that with the trade.

They did make the team worse. Trading Denzel gives them more picks and should help worsen the team.

2026 will once again be spent looking at the draft.

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Originally Posted by oobernoober
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Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year.

IMO, that may not be enough ammo for a fQB prospect... but without Garrett one could argue we'll still be picking fairly high.

With Garrett we have drafted:

2018 1st overall
2019 traded for OBJ (16th overall)
2020 10th overall
2021 26th overall
2022 traded for Watson (13th overall)
2023 traded for Watson (12th overall)
2024 traded for Watson (23rd overall)
2025 2nd overall
2026 6th overall


WITH Garrett, we have finished with top 10 draft picks 4 out of his 9 seasons here. Only twice have they picked in the 20s.

So, if they pick outside the top 10 without him this year, does that make this post a moot point?

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Originally Posted by bonefish
I am getting more pissed by the minute.

Myles was the first pick in the draft. We had to suck to get that pick.

Baker was the first pick. The first pick guarantees nothing. Myles is a Hall of Famer. It's really hard to draft a player of that caliber.

Verse is averaging about 6/7 sacks a year. The 27 first rounder will be near the bottom.

What did we gain to really get a shot at what "may be" a good quarterback in the 27 draft?

We have weakened the team this year and gained little to impact the draft next year.

Our best chance to to get a quarterback in 27 is to lose every game. Or, hope there is quarterback when we pick.

The only thing that is certain is we are worse right now then we were yesterday.

Verse averaging 6/7 sacks a year? He is only in his 3rd year of his rookie contract. Myles didn't have 23 sacks in his first two years... He had 7 in his first year, then 10.5 his second year.

If Verse turns into a double digit sack player with 20+ QB hits, he will be in the top 5 pass rushers in the NFL. He might not be Myles in his prime, but he will be a cornerstone of the Browns defense.

We will have to see where he ends up.

The part we are all overlooking is that the Browns will continue to be a lower half of the league team searching for a way to make the playoffs every few years or so, with or without Myles. He is now 30, that is going to start declining in the coming few years. He was traded after he got the record for sacks in the entire NFL... which landed us a #6 overall draft position.

At the end of the day, they have to fix the QB spot to become a consistent winner. They will probably need draft capital to be in a position to get one. I don't think they will be bad enough to get the #1 overall pick, with or without Garrett. Berry managed to get Myles replacement AND extra draft capital to help make the move in next year's draft.

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