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I think the bottom line in the QB battle between Watson and Sanders is this. Watson must be heads and shoulders better in the end to win the starting QB job. If it is close or even Sanders will get the nod. I actually expect this result will be the end result myself. If Watson wins the battle, he worked himself into great shape knowing that this year was his last chance. I do not see a downside if that is the case. Watson worked to get healthy and worked on his craft to win the job. If it is close or even, then Sanders leads the team. What I have really liked hearing about Sanders is the reports he never left Berea this entire off season and has stayed focused on improving as a player. Bernie Kosar has actually endorsed Sanders after spending time with him and watching him at OTA's. I also see things like the Browns schedule release video that highlight their main players like Garrett, Ward, Schwesinger, and Sanders was used in that video. That does show what the club thinks of him. He was also in the Todd Monken introduction clips released by the team. I think the only way you do not see Sanders on the field this year is if Watson is really ballin and if that is the case this team could be contenders in the AFC North in 2026 and not in position to nab a franchise QB in 2027 draft. If Watson and/or Sanders are not playing well by the trade deadline Garrett will more than likely get moved to add draft capitol to help acquire a 2027 QB in the 2027 draft. The Browns will not waste the 2026 season on Watson. He either wins or is benched early like Joe was last year. At that point it will be Sanders turn and he really has until trade deadline to show who he is. If Sanders wins the job outright, he has until trade deadline either way. I do not think Haslam or Monken are thinking 2027 draft at this point they want to win. Start losing and their thoughts will change quickly.

Since this is a 'What if?' topic ---- here's my what if ----

Watson wins and continues to win throughout the season, Sanders continues to backup.

Watson flops Sanders leads us to playoff.

Through the season Green continues to improve his release, footing, etc. gets into a few games late season and shows he might be the next QB.

Do we still talk about drafting a QB or consider Sanders or Green the QB?

It way to early to continue talking next QB draft, IMO

No, we stop talking about drafting a QB in next years draft and actually draft one. Talking about drafting a top shelf QB and not having done it is why we are where we are now.

Well, I think this directly relates to, what if the Browns trade Myles Garrett? What would everyone be willing to consider "acceptable" to lose a Myles Garrett trade? The rumors are flying this morning that both the Rams and Eagle have called the Browns and made some significant offers.

Rumor is:
Rams have offered a Ricky Williams level trade

As a reminder, that looked like this:
1999 first round pick (12th overall)
1999 third round pick (71st overall)
1999 fourth round pick (107th overall)
1999 fifth round pick (144th overall)
1999 sixth round pick (179th overall)
1999 seventh round pick (218th overall)
2000 first round pick (2nd overall) **we must EXPECT this pick to be mid to late 20's, or even 31 or 32. The only way it is lower is if Stafford gets injured early in the season. He has had a long history if injuries.
2000 third round pick (64th overall) Again, probably going to be closer to 96 than 65.
That was for the 4th overall pick of the draft.

The Eagles supposedly have offered A.J. Browns along with 2027 first round and 2028 first round picks.

Here's the thing, we haven't heard much from Myles as he has spent most of the off season in Asia. For all we know, the day after Schwartz resigned, he might have demanded a trade. The Browns could have told him no, to appease him, but will listen to offers until they get one that makes sense to them.

IF they trade Myles, I think it is very telling in what Monken has evaluated up to this point in the QB room. Myles will never be more valuable than right now. If they feel confident they are going to need to draft a QB, I am sure that Berry would value the right trade over keeping a single player that just turned 30 last December. He PROBABLY has another few years of monster Myles, but after that dreaded 30, you never know.

Personally, I think a Rams offer would look closer to:
2027 First and Second
2028 First
2029 First

That would probably get it done for me.

My thought process on this is that I have endured what trading away your future looks like. IF they could get a trade like that done, they should be able to maneuver into a viable spot to get one of the QBs coming out, without damaging their entire future. They could use the Rams future to get it done.

If they could trade

2027 First, Rams First and Second
2028 Rams First.

They could come out of the draft with one of their top candidates and still have their entire future intact, including an extra first in 2029 to go along with that QB.

I think a Myles sacrifice would be worth that type of deal.

I have no interest in an A.J. Brown and two picks from the Eagles. Not enough to distance our relinquishment of our future and we now have a lot of potential in the WR room. I don't think a 29 year old AJ Brown elevates the offense enough to justify losing Garrett.

The Rams are looking at their immediate future with Stafford's window closing soon. They want to load up as much as possible to try to win trophies between now and his contract that has him in LA for the next two seasons. Myles Garrett contract on the other hand would keep him in LA through the 2030 season.. A year removed from the final first rounder they would give up for him.

Again, I think this comes down to how disgruntled Myles Garrett is. I didn't think much of his absence until Monken revealed the other day that he hasn't even talked to the top player on the roster yet. I think that is telling. If Garrett goes, what stops them from moving on from Denzel Ward, who could fetch another 2027 first round pick as well.

I think Myles absence is more about his current intimate relationship status than it is about his relationship with the Browns. Plus, I think Myles believes he can get more done on his own than what they are allowed to do at these voluntary OTAs. As far as I've heard, the defensive front is being asked to do the same things as last year. I could be mistaken, but that's the impression I get.

I think the Rams are more likely to be picking 32nd in the next three drafts (even more so with Myles) than picking in the top 10, so I don't see them as that attractive of a trade partner.

I'd also like to see more of the potential QB draft class before going all in on one.

It isn't about his not being at OTA's, that has become normal for him. It's about the fact he never talked to Monken after he was hired.

As for the Rams, it goes as far as Stafford's health goes. In 2022 when he only played 9 games due to injury, he had 10 TDs along with 9 INTs and the Rams finished 5-12. It could go down hill fast if one year older means his back is that much worse.

Unless the Browns get a lot out of Watson, they might not need a high pick from the Rams to help them move up....

I believe there's a difference in getting "a QB" verses getting one of or possibly one of the two QB's you actually believe in and want. Drafting somewhere between 4th and 6th in next years draft may not be enough to accomplish that even if that happens. What I wouldn't want to see happen is the Browns end up being in a situation where they feel cornered into drafting a QB just to draft a QB by being stuck into drafting the 3rd or 4th QB in the draft out of desperation and need.

It's true that they have to hit on the QB they draft no matter which one they draft. But at the same time, when attempting to address the franchise QB position and using such a high investment, you don't want to end up with a participation trophy.

My counter to that is, I'm waiting to see the growth of the QBs this season. As of right now, I have as many as 7 QBs that are high possibility draft commits that would have been the #1 draft pick the past 3 drafts.

2026 Fernando Mendoza
2025 Cam Ward
2024 Caleb Williams

2023 was Trevor Lawrence and he could arguably be in the talk with any of the 2027 prospects...

However, with the previous (3) years, I could see the following candidates being rated higher than any of the #1 overall picks:

Arch Manning, it is inevitable
Dante Moore. Had he came out this year, it's possible he would have been taken before Mendoza. Another year of improvement could cement that rating argument
Julian Sayin. If he improves AT ALL in 2027, he will be in the talks for the #1 overall pick this draft despite his size deficiency.
CJ Carr could vault himself into the #1 overall talk if the Irish go deep in the playoffs.
Drew Mestemaker has been a stud at North Texas. If it translates to Oklahoma State and he prepels them out of football purgatory, he will also be argued as the the top guy.

Those are my probable top 5 and can arguably be talked about as further ahead than the previous (3) #1 overall picks before 2027 season even happens. If they have the seasons many are predicting, it will be hard to argue for any of them being higher rated when they came out of school.

Now to add to that, Jayden Maiava has shown a lot already. If his decision making takes a leap, he could leap any or all of these 5 guys right to the top. Then, John Mateer, Rocco Becht and Darian Mensah have all put themselves into position to improve their draft stock drastically if their decisions to move up in competition to top schools improve what they have already put on film.

This is lining up to be an epic draft of proportions we have never seen before.

I'm not arguing your comment in any way. It is usually not beneficial to "accept" the 3rd, 4th or worse choice at any position, let alone QB. If all the stars align though, we are in a position to see so many QBs that will have people arguing who is even the best one coming out and deserving of the #1 overall pick. Not out of need, but because of their actual talent level.

Sayin is one of the keys here... Manning has the pedigree, the optimal measurements for success and Dante Moore is right there with him. Sayin could be the best of the best, but still drop to the 3rd overall pick only because he measures at 6'1" instead of 6'3"-4".

If the Browns ended up in the 6th pick.. Moving up to the #3 pick might be very doable, depending on who is picking 4th and 5th.

So many dominoes to fall. If the Raiders are the #1 overall pick again, they will probably be LOOKING to move down. If the Titans and/or Giants are still in the top 5 draft picks, there may be a lot of teams to trade with.

Obviously this is just conversation fodder at this point, way too much information to fill in between now and April 2027. I'm just giving some information as to why taking the 3rd or 4th QB in 2027 may have a drastically different meaning than it ever has in the history of the league.

That's fine and that can be debated to death. The thing is it's quite rare for any team not to have a specific QB target in mind if they're choosing in the top 5 which between our record and the Rams pick is what I'm sure they're hoping for. Possibly two choices at the most. It's hard to imagine an "insert name here" scenario.

Coaches and organizations have a scheme in mind they will be running and certain QB's fit that mold much better than others. They evaluate varying strengths and weaknesses according to the tools they feel are most valuable.

The Declaration of Independence doesn't say that all QB's are created equal.

That's simply not the way NFL draft boards are assembled.

There certainly are a bevy of possibilities depending now how this college season plays out.

What I can add is that there isn't a Lamar Jackson in this draft. So if you are wanting to drill it down to Monken's "scheme", that guy isn't in this draft. They are all conventional QBs. A few can scramble and use their feet to gain first downs/TDs, but they aren't 1,000 yard rushers. If you want to talk about the closest to a dual threat guy with traditional size, you are looking at LaNorris Sellers. If size doesn't matter, you can start talking John Mateer.

If you aren't talking about that... then there is absolutely no way to know what they are going to pound the table for, so we might as well not talk about it.

What I am talking about is looking at their overall player worth. I would think that a team would want the best overall, not if he runs better than others, but has a deficiency in passing. If you get the best player, you need to have the best coordinator to bend the offense around him.

I get there is going to be a pecking order... That doesn't mean a team won't have 6 QBs in their top 6-8 prospects on their board. If they are the best players, they are the best players. Adding the QB position to the equation and it is even more pronounced.

We will have to agree to disagree. I don't see a team saying, "There are six good QB prospects. Just give me one of those guys". If there is it will be the first time in my life I've ever seen it.

That is EXACTLY what I am saying. This draft class is showing signs of being something no one has ever seen before, I don't care how old you are. It could be historic. I am generally very hard on QBs coming out of college. This class could break all records and change the landscape of the NFL.

Obviously it is too early to make any real statements, but it isn't just me that is recognizing this probable draft class, it's everywhere. Everyone is talking about it. It just happens to be during a time when the Browns need a QB worse than just about every team in the NFL.

Typically if a QB is a first round grade, they get elevated to a top ten pick. We are realistically looking at a class that could have 5 or more QBs, not just with a first round grade, but rated AND ranked as top ten players in the draft. There will obviously be some guys that will be argued as being rated higher, like Jeremiah Smith, but the QBs could dominate the rankings because they are that good, not just because they are QBs.

It realistically could have 5, It realistically could have one or none.

I don't know that they are all that good. I think evaluators think that they could be that good. They could also regress, get hurt, just not develop as expected, develop a gambling addiction, or any number of random detrimental things. They could all (most aren't seniors) decide to stay in school and be big man on campus for longer. College is fun. The NFL is work, and now they can get paid excessively to do either one.

Nussmeier, Allar, and Klubnik were projected to potentially go high before last season. So were Sellers and Moore.

You just never know how its going to play out.