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Having thought about it yea it sucks to lose Myles but Verse is pretty good and younger. Also, the Browns could use the 1st round pick they got from the Rams, and their own, to try and move up and take one of the top QBs, or another top prospect, in the 2027 draft.

The last couple of drafts have been good. Many NFL pundits like what the Browns did and are saying they are a team on the rise. I hope they are right.

Myles Garrett traded: Making sense of the Rams-Browns deal
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...d-verse-rams-browns-draft-picks-barnwell

Isn't it ridiculous. We as Browns fans have already pretty much written off the next 2 seasons. Kind of pathetic but it is the reality. I am hoping that our O-Line gels quickly and we get some decent QB and WR play so we can compete but that may be wishful thinking. The reality of being a Browns fan.

Maybe you should ask yourself if they could have gotten more why would they have taken less? Myles had a no trade clause giving him control over what teams he could be traded to. That alone limits the teams Myles could be traded to. I'm not a huge fan of Berry but I am pretty certain he wouldn't have taken less if he could have gotten more.

Two decisions that look almost identical on paper can lead to completely different outcomes depending on when they’re made and how they’re executed. The ability to accurately assess consequences and understand when the timing is right is often what separates success from failure.

Andrew Berry has probably made plenty of decisions that were logical in isolation. The problem is that his timing has often been catastrophically bad. When you stack that many poorly timed decisions on top of each other over six years, eventually you end up with the Cleveland Browns.

Trading for Deshaun Watson would have been 100% the right move sometime between 2017 and 2020. After that? Every decision connected to acquiring him was wrong. Not just wrong — spectacularly, historically, “future documentary episode” wrong.

Not extending Baker Mayfield was both right and wrong. There were valid football reasons to hesitate. But failing to support him through the 2021 season while he was playing through injury was both morally questionable and economically shortsighted. It showed a complete inability to evaluate the broader consequences of the decision.

What message did that send to the locker room? To the fanbase? To the media?

If Baker had struggled in 2020, the decision would have been much easier to justify. Instead, Berry and Stefanski essentially watched their most important offensive player limp through an entire season and then acted surprised when things got messy. That’s not strategy. That’s timing malpractice.

Now we get to Myles Garrett. Could trading him be justified from a pure asset-management perspective? Maybe. But is the timing right? I have serious doubts. If you’re going to tear down a roster, it usually helps if you’ve already built something worth tearing down first.

Since Berry became GM in 2020, the roster has steadily declined and the results have followed the same trajectory. Today we’re sitting at an all-time low. After six years, the excuses have run out.

A general manager has the ultimate responsibility for the direction of the franchise. At the end of the day, the scoreboard doesn’t care about process, spreadsheets, analytics models, or PowerPoint presentations. Results are the measuring stick.

So here’s the simple question:

How many years are we talking before the Browns are truly competitive again?

One?

Two?


Because if the answer is anything longer than that, we’re basically asking Browns fans to trust a GPS that’s been driving us straight into Lake Erie for six years.

Great read. Pretty long so I clipped a few parts:


Where we're at...

And that roster simply wasn't close to competing for a title, even with Garrett on the field. The Browns were another great draft away from being another great draft away. Berry had five top-90 picks in 2026 and added four offensive players, including receivers KC Concepcion and Denzel Boston and left tackle Spencer Fano, but the Browns still don't have any quarterback of note. Watson is a free agent after the season and coming off a season lost to an Achilles injury, and Shedeur Sanders' 18.9 Total QBR was the second-worst mark of any signal-caller in the NFL who threw at least 100 passes last season.


What we got in Verse...

Verse, meanwhile, still has three years of cost control, with two years left on his rookie contract before a potential fifth-year option in 2028. After winning Defensive Rookie of the Year amid a weak class during his debut season with the Rams, Verse was devastating during their brief playoff run in 2024, racking up two sacks and a 57-yard fumble return for a score.

I was one of the many who had hopes that Verse could take a leap and challenge to be among the league's most impactful pass rushers in 2025. That sort of season never really came together. Verse was named to the Pro Bowl for the second time and produced 7.5 sacks, but he was overshadowed at times by Young and Turner. He did lead the team with three tackles for loss and seven quarterback hits during the postseason run, but at first glance, it felt as if Verse left some meat on the bone in his sophomore season.

Under the hood, I'm not sure those concerns are warranted. Verse's 27 quarterback knockdowns were just two short of Young's team-leading 29. Verse matched his fellow edge rusher in terms of pressure rate (just under 14%) and quick pressure rate (4%). And he did that while being double-teamed twice as often as Young. Verse's 4% quarterback pressure over expectation rate (QBPOE) led the team, per Next Gen Stats.

Verse has already been very good, and I'm still quite optimistic that he can be the best player on an elite defense. Garrett's athleticism makes other NFL players look as if they're stuck in quicksand. Verse isn't quite that devastating, but he has to have some of the heaviest hands and rates as one of the most physical edges in the league. He's a hammer on twists, to which Mekhi Becton can attest, and he has the physical strength to manhandle even elite linemen like Tristan Wirfs and Joe Thuney on snaps. (Verse driving Thuney backward is what got Caleb Williams running backward on the Bears' tying Hail Mary touchdown in the fourth quarter of the divisional round classic.)

Verse also has the athleticism to beat linemen into gaps or rush around them. Last season, the Rams even used Verse lined up over the center and saw him destroy Colts pivot Tanor Bortolini. The play was reminiscent, of course, of how Jim Schwartz and the Browns used Garrett as a stand-up rusher to torment interior linemen in years past. Verse was the best player on the field in that game against Indy, soundly beating both Bortolini and left tackle Bernhard Raimann.

In a league in which great pass rushers are going to be commanding a minimum of $30 million per season moving forward, Verse will make just $5 million over the next two years combined before an eventual 2028 fifth-year option, where he probably still will be undervalued. Surplus value doesn't mean quite as much when the Browns don't expect to compete over the next couple of seasons, but Verse represents a building block who projects to be in his peak when the Browns are out from under their cap mess and presumably have a quarterback around whom to build. There's a non-zero chance he's more productive than Garrett over the next three to five years at a fraction of the cost, which would make this an enormous victory for Cleveland.

If the Rams had decided to make Verse available, I believe they would have been able to land a first-round pick and a significant additional selection, potentially a second-round pick, for their young edge rusher. Factor all that in and this return looks pretty strong for the Browns, who land the equivalent of two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a third-round selection for Garrett. If the organization had decided that it was going to trade Garrett, I'm not sure the return was ever going to be richer than this.


Why this was probably a win-win for both teams...

The Browns realized a significant and logical return for a player whose best remaining seasons were going to be wasted alongside a hopeless roster, and they'll be in a better position to build a winner two years from now. The Rams can't guarantee a title by adding Garrett, and it hurts to lose Verse, but this was a chance to bring in what might potentially be the most talented and productive peak player acquired in any trade during most of our lifetimes.

Just my random 2 cents:

We swapped Myles for a 2x Pro Bowler that has only 2 years in the league so far and is entering his third year of his rookie contract.
We now have the '24 & '25 Defensive Rookies of the Year on the same defense.

It SUCKS to lose Myles, and I wish him the best, but in terms of how this changes games for us, it probably doesn't alter things all that much.
Verse actually has more QB pressures over the last two years than Myles and is 4th in Pass-Rush Win Rate among edge rushers.

Per ESPN "he is one of the best run-stopping edges in the league. In fact, he ranks second in run stop win rate at edge behind only Maxx Crosby in that span (two seasons).”


We got 6 years younger, cleared $8 million in CAP space this year, and added a '27 1st, '28 2nd, and '29 3rd.


Myles wins, Browns win... LA might win. There really aren't any losers in this deal.

Stop making sense.

We all know Myles is an athletic alien, and I am not trying to say Verse is or ever will be as good. But I compared their combine performances and it was very interesting. Verse ran a 4.58 40 and Myles a 4.64. Myles did 33 reps on the bench and Verse did 31. Myles had a 41 inch vertical, Verse 35, Verse had a 1.60 10-yard split, Myles a 1.61. Broad jump Verse 10.8, Myles 10.7. The point is, I guess, Verse was also an elite prospect, and his career is off to a great start. He isn’t Myles, but he is a helluva player.

The burning question we are all holding now: "What does MKC think?" Consider the Cowherd source.

Good points all, Purp! Statistically, we are talking about trading Myles freaking Garrett. And these stats almost suggest to me that we may have trades up. I will miss playmaking by MG, loved his work. I wish him the best. Get bring! Thanks for your contributions and achievements.

Could be we traded for the next great edge rusher. Maybe another MG?

Along those lines, I saw this earlier today...

Agree, 100%.....now Miles gets to test LA cops while driving around the city. Smart play by our GM, he gets younger, gets less expensive for years, and he only loses so much production. We didn't win much with Miles, one player doesn't fix a team. And we pick up several top 100 picks in years to come. We gave up a great, but got better for the future.....GO Browns!!!!

I agree 100% that it seems there is no ringing endorsement for the QBs.

I don't think the Browns had a choice on the trade. I believe Myles told them trade me or hear me trash the situation as soon as they didn't hire Schwartz. It immediately told Myles he doesn't have any influence, which as a player, he shouldn't.

Looking forward to the new stadium and new opportunities to win.

2029 would be what, year 8 or year 9 for Berry? I've heard of giving someone a little leash but dear God man you would think at some point there would be a limit. I guess not.

In no particular order:

OUCH - reading Wirfs (who we did not pick) being considered and elite OT.

Yes - Verse has value whether you equate it to picks or not. He's clearly very good. He fills the void MG left. He's younger and we get the 2027 first rounder. It really is a perfect set up. As Fate said - whoever we traded with was going to be a low first round pick. MG was in control of that.

It can't be a shock to anyone - fan or coaching staff - that the QB situation is not looking favorable. We all saw DW play for 19 games and he was crap for 85% of those games. We say Sanders play and while he flashed a little on some deep balls and showed some ability to be coached ... he did not look like a future FQB.

Suddenly the man in the know mentions MG's shoulder!! Oh My ... watch this space.

When can the Browns be good? The D is in good shape. The draft class of Fannin, Judkins and Schwesinger hopefully only gets better. The rookie draft class has the potential to have a similar impact. The OL has been overhauled with FA's (and a 1st round LT) ... I think we are selling this team short if we think it's 2 years away. I think a top 2 or 3 QB in a deep QB class in next year's draft and we can compete. Hopefully Monken is the guy - that'll be another big factor.

Irish, none of the QB's we have deserve a ringing endorsement. They have to prove themselves. It is what it is my friend.

100%... and a good launch for the point I keep forgetting to make.

We spend waaay too much time as fans thinking we know what's going through the FOs heads. We are not mailing it in for the next couple years. Nobody is trying synchronize "the path" with the new stadium. That would be crazy.

Getting full value for generational talent is not because we need a new QB, the timing just happens to intersect with the fact that we might. I'd say that even if we were 80-90% sure Sanders was the man, and just needed two seasons to make take us to the Promised Land; there's still a great chance this trade would have gone down. jmo

No argument from me, I agree. It would be a huge surprise to me if one of them showed promise this season. I fully expect to get a one year contract year out of Watson.

It's really a no win situation for Sanders. Most QBs get about 3 years to show marked improvement, but he is a 5th round guy that I don't think is franchise material. We need to find the guy in next year's draft if all goes well in the college season.

and Myles had a No-Trade clause he had to agree to waive in order for this to happen, so whatever else there is Myles agrees that we have no QB (which we all know already, though some continue to hold out hope)

Agreed. If there was a best time to trade Myles it was now after the stellar season he had. I feel he is at his peak right now and barring injuries he has another 2-3 years of top end production. As far as the next couple of seasons I don't think we're mailing anything in, I just feel that no one believes we are legit contenders. IF our O-Line comes together quicker than expected, IF we get decent to good QB play and IF our passing game develops faster we might contend for a playoff spot. A lot of IF's LOL

This is what I just don’t understand.

The culture around sports in America seems completely different from what we’re used to in Europe. No serious organization—what we’d call a football club—would keep a Director of Football or General Manager with a track record like Andrew Berry’s for this long. It’s practically unheard of.

In Europe, managers and sporting directors get fired all the time when results aren’t good enough. Sometimes twice in the same season. Clubs like Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Juventus, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, or Manchester United would eat an unsuccessful executive like Berry alive. These people are paid millions to improve results, not make them worse.

The Browns have been bad for years.

Most of the major decisions have backfired.

The quarterback situation—the single most important position in sports—is still a massive question mark.

And to make matters worse, all signs point toward several more seasons where we’re nowhere near good enough to compete with the league’s elite.

What drives me crazy is the complete lack of urgency. The results get worse, yet there seems to be almost no reaction from a large part of the fanbase. On this board, the majority still defends a front office that has consistently failed to deliver.

That is absolutely mind-boggling to me.

Andrew Berry earns millions of dollars. He doesn’t deserve loyalty simply because he’s a nice guy or because he sounds smart in press conferences. This is a results business, not a charity organization.

FFS, PitDAWG—even though we’ve disagreed plenty over the years, you deserve better. We all deserve better.

My favorite soccer team just had its best season in years. Honestly, it’s improved my quality of life. I sleep better. I’m more relaxed. I actually look forward to weekends because I know my team has a chance to win.

When I watch the Browns, I go into most games expecting them to lose. Realistically, they’ll probably lose around 75% of their games.

That’s depressing.

So how can anyone still accept this?

His job is to make the Browns better.

If six seasons isn’t enough time to evaluate a General Manager, then I honestly don’t know what is.

At some point, accountability has to matter.

And if Browns fans keep accepting failure, they’ll keep getting more of it.