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I was thinking a 4th, but again, I don't study it enough to place a risk reward factor on the matter. I know I wouldn't go with a 2nd rounder and have reservations about a 3rd round pick.

As you said, a 4th seems like a reasonable walk away price if it came down to that.

A 7th is to High. The LAST thing we need is Art Schlichter JR

Apparently, Todd Monken agrees with GMdawg.

This is what was reported over the weekend by Pete Mundo:

Speaking with reporters, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken shut down any notion that Sorsby was under consideration by the organization.

Monken - “That’s not even come across my desk,” Monken said. “I like the quarterbacks that we have. I think that’s a slippery slope, when you go down that [road]. Irrespective of talent, in terms of the situation [Sorsby’s] put himself in, we all know what that is. He put himself in that situation. And we’ve seen in other sports with players that have been banned for life from playing in professional sports.”

Monken’s comments are among the strongest public remarks made by a coach regarding Sorsby’s situation since reports emerged surrounding the Texas Tech quarterback’s alleged involvement in sports gambling activities. The Browns entered the offseason with significant questions at quarterback, leading some observers to wonder whether the franchise could explore unconventional options. Monken’s comments suggest that is not under consideration.


So, there's that. Of course Monken isn't in charge of personnel until it comes down to the final roster. Berry could be thinking something different. I would be surprised if he didn't at least involve the HC if he was considering it.

Sorsby just had his appeal denied on Friday, but he still has a pending lawsuit against the NCAA. He had a judge rule in his favor, which at least temporarily re-instates his eligibility to play in 2026 at Texas Tech. I don't know if he would apply for a supplemental while that lawsuit is going on or not. He would have to do so though for the NFL to even think about having a supplemental. They don't just automatically do it. He has unto June 22nd to apply for the supplemental, then the NFL decides whether to hold it or not based on circumstances. As of today.. he is eligible for the NCAA, so no supplemental, I would assume.

At first, I thought Sorsby might be worth a shot and then I read how far into it he was. No thanks I'll pass. We don't need any more drama here. Sorsby may stay clean the rest of his life and never even buy a scratch ticket, but if he plays in the NFL people will never let him forget what he did. His mistakes on the field will always be questioned. Unfair to him but as they say you made your bed. Let him play somewhere else.

Sounds like Sorsby's best Bet is to head to the Raiders in Vegas.

Well there is a big difference in personalities at play imo.

Stefanski found it easy to insulate himself within the walls of "consensus". His response would be "I don't know, what do you think, I don't mind taking chances on personalities, what do the analytics say??"

Monken will look at you with a dead stare and ask you if you're bat $h*t crazy.

Just my take on the two personnas.

j/c...

Reading this thread a few things come to mind. I know I've bellowed til I'm blue in the face about them, but I feel that strongly...

You cannot just throw a bunch of people into the QB room and expect cream to rise to the top, it hardly ever works that way. Ever hear the expression throw bs at the wall and see what sticks? That's what it feels like when fans are always saying things like "what can it hurt"? It can hurt everything.

Oober mentioned the Manziel disaster, I'm just using his post as an example, not to pick on him (although he loves it when I do). He said it wasn't that we drafted him, it was where we drafted him. First the irony: we as fans were sold on the fact (by the talking heads) that we got such great value... because most thought he would be drafted sooner! Think about that.

Now, I do agree with the notion and intent of his post, for the most part. QBs that are drafted early put more pressure on the staff, have to shoulder more pressure themselves, and put more pressure on the other QBs, especially the incumbent starter.


Brian Hoyer was playing well. Not perfect, but well. Image me, a Browns fan, watching a QB that was 10-4 over his last 14 games being booed while my fellow masochists scream "Johnny! Johnny!" in the stadium.

After JFF almost led a comeback, a confused Hoyer responded to the first salivating reporter "this is still my team, nothing has changed". Our dad bod, garage-beer-drinking coach basically said "we'll have to look at the tape".

Hoyer was pissed when we drafted JFF... he was DONE when those words were spoken.

When you have two question marks in the room... you're on thin ice as far as moves that can be made.
When you have three... you're done. Your only move is drafting someone worth selling the farm for. Period. Not a project, and certainly not someone with a "checkered" past.

If we had anything close to a 10-4 QB in that room, you and I would be bellowing together. The talent level around our QBs (Oline, receivers) muddies the water a bit, but there's no way you can say with confidence that we have that guy on the roster. Maybe someone will establish themself this year, but if we're being brutally honest I don't think that guy lands on the roster until MAYBE after next year's draft.

Additionally, 2020 (playoff-Baker) was the last year we began and ended the year with the same QB. One could argue we could've done it the next year as Baker was playing with the shoulder... but not me. Each subsequent season (IIRC) we've been trotting 3+ QBs out there, except for the year we only used 2 (the Watson suspension year).

Ironically, Baker and Watson could both be headlining the 2027 free agency market. How weird is that?

He and Tampa haven't made any progress on an extension and his camp came out and said if it isn't done before training camp, he will be done negotiating and see what free agency brings. Supposedly he is looking for $60M+ per season.

It's hard to argue against that number. 3 years in Tampa and two playoff spots with a playoff win. He's averaging 66% passing, 32 TDs, 12 INTs and 4079 yards per season.


There is an article that came out this morning, "Could the Browns bring back Baker Mayfield in free agency"? The answer is no way in hell he would come back here.

This is a lot of QB talk in the Myles Garrett thread, lol...

I think the feeling is mutual from the FO's standpoint as well.

Devil's advocate: wasn't his issue primarily with KS? Wouldn't Monken be more inclined to let him sling it?


I think it's HIGHLY unlikely he ends up signing with us (mostly because Tampa won't let him walk), but if we have the cash, a coach and system he likes, and our young talent is showing promise (lots of if's) I don't see why we'd be on a no-fly list.

I don't want Art Sliester either. No doubt there is some risk.

As for Monkens statement....maybe it is a straight up comment, maybe it is smoke? I don' think we would want to advertise we want him.

It's a moot point now. The 4th District Judge in Texas granted his submission. He is cleared to play at Texas Tech this year with a two game suspension. We can reconvene this convo next year for the draft.