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Change the voting rules so anything goes and manipulate the system. Open your eyes and see what is happening. It is alarming to say the least.

So you have zero evidence but still accusations. That's certainly using the trump method. You don't even have 26 witnesses.

Aren't you the same guy who kept screaming "Innocent until proven guilty!"?

I guess that all depends on which way the wind is blowing or what time of the month that is for you. What was it you said about others being judgemental?

Sometimes I don't even think you hear yourself.

The tit for tat rule-changing and redistricting that has been going on this election year is alarming.

Thinking MAGA Republicans have a chance for a state-level elected position in CA is comical.

I agree. The state is too infested with pansies, communists, crooks, and dumb asses.

Randy the Macho Man savage died. You are not a suitable replacement. Maybe you should look at the pansy who called a woman names and stomped away from an interview while throwing a tantrum like a 6 year old if you want to talk about a pansy and a dumb ass. You know, the guy who told his supporters most of them didn't know the word dumb ended with a B. He thinks people like you are the dumb asses and you still can't figure that out.

You know, the same guy who used bone spurs as an excuse not to go to Vietnam and yet played tennis and squash in college. He's such a pansy he was too much of a coward to serve himself but now talks like he's some tough guy as he sends others off to risk their lives.

What a joke.

If we were talking about DC, then my only argument would be that DC isn't a state.

IMO, the "pansies" in this convo are the ones that kicked off the current gerrymandering war, as well as the ones that respond in kind.

It has been this way for as long as I can remember. We vote by mail and it is a week or two after the election until all the ballots are opened, signatures verified and votes counted. 80 percent of California votes by mail.

Could it be better. Yes, once a vote is received by the election office, it should be processed. This year a lot of people held onto their ballots until the last minute because if Bacerra did not really have a lot of name recognition or momentum. I was in the no billionaire club. That does not work. Swalwell flamed out over affairs and Katie Porter appears to have anger management issues. I turned my ballot in the Saturday before the election. It was reported that the ballot returns were slower than normal this year. I know why.

All the claims of something awry are total BS.

It's hard to argue with a man who is on a rant with zero evidence to support it that is basing his argument strictly on his thoughts and feelings.

That's the same thing trump was doing when he stormed out of an interview as he was called to task about presenting evidence of which he has none.

You can find the evidence vids online. Look them up and you then make a decision.

No matter, it will all work out sooner than later.

Must be true if you saw a video online posted by a rando.

Evidence doesn't always make one guilty, nor is it always true. "Randos" these days are very often at the lead of a story. I wouldn't simply shrug them off. A "rando" as you say blew the top off of fraud in Minnesota.

Wanna talk about trying to alter an election...


Postal Service won’t deliver mail ballots for states that don’t hand over voter lists, under plan for Trump directive
Tierney Sneed, Jeremy Herb, Gabe Cohen, CNN
Wed, June 10, 2026 at 6:00 AM EDT


State election officials could soon face a stark choice: Hand over voter lists to the Trump administration or risk losing Postal Service delivery for mail-in ballots.

That dilemma stems from newly proposed USPS rules that seek to comply with an executive order President Donald Trump signed this spring to crack down on mail-in voting. If courts let the order stand, it would give the federal government an unprecedented role in elections — and could put even more voter data in the hands of Trump officials searching for supposed election fraud.

The proposed rules lay out new conditions that states would have to meet to send ballots through the mail, including giving the agency lists of all voters set to receive mail ballots.

So far, 23 Democratic-led states and the District of Columbia are suing, as are Democratic Party leaders and non-partisan voter advocacy groups, setting up a potentially active summer of high-stakes judicial rulings.

The Trump administration cleared an initial legal hurdle last month, when a federal judge in Washington, DC, who is overseeing one set of the cases, declined to block Trump's executive order, allowing the Postal Service to begin implementing it.

The Democratic Party groups are asking an appeals court to speed up its review of that decision, warning that voters around the country could be disenfranchised in this year's midterm elections if the proposal is not blocked.

In an interview with CNN, Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows, a Democrat whose state is part of the coalition that filed a legal challenge in Boston, said that if courts rule for the Trump administration, "Then you will see a virtual elimination of mail-in voting, unless the states supply voter lists to the federal government."

The March 2026 executive order is one of several moves Trump has made recently to seek federal control over elections and restrict mail-in voting, which he has repeatedly cast as a tool used by his opponents for election cheating despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

On Capitol Hill, the SAVE Act, a Trump-backed bill requiring new citizenship verification measures to register to vote, has floundered in the Senate. Courts have pushed back on other aggressive attempts by the administration to inject itself in the voting process — a job the Constitution largely gives to the states.

But now Trump's executive order seeks to give USPS an unprecedented role in the midterm elections: not just delivering ballots but policing who gets one.

"If proper postage is paid on a mail piece, the USPS should deliver it," former USPS Board of Governors Vice Chair Anton Hajjar told CNN. "The proposed rule says it's not regulating elections but that's what, in effect, it's doing,"

In a statement, the White House said that the "entire Trump Administration will continue lawfully enacting the agenda President Trump was elected to enact – which includes the safety and security of American elections."

"The Administration remains confident that the Executive Order will be implemented by the November election, which was always the intent when it was signed," White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said.

While the language the Postal Service drafted still leaves states in charge of deciding which voters end up on the lists submitted to the agency, it tells USPS not to send ballots for states that don't follow that process. The states' mail balloting programs must meet other requirements in Trump's order for USPS to deliver their ballots, potentially forcing some jurisdictions to completely redesign their mail voting materials.

"This would deny eligible people the right to vote. Full stop," said Tobias Read, secretary of state in Oregon, one of the 23 states suing the administration over the order.

"This is not in the president's power," Read said. "It's absolutely clear in the Constitution – states run elections."

As the legal fight unfolds, Postal Service unions have communicated their concerns to USPS leadership about the order – and how it puts mail carriers in the position of deciding whether to transmit certain ballots.

"As we read this draft, if a state does not comply with it, if they don't provide the information or the right format, then the Postal Service is going to simply refuse all of those ballots or whatever election mail it is, and that is very, very concerning," said Brian Renfroe, president of the National Association of Letter Carriers.



DHS citizenship lists

Trump's order also instructs the Department of Homeland Security to build its own state-by-state citizenship lists of eligible voters by pulling data from various federal agencies, fueling fears the administration could use the lists to pressure states to purge their voter rolls.

State election officials already have the ability to use a DHS immigrant record system to verify their rolls, and the program has come under fire for falsely identifying eligible voters as non-citizens.

In court filings, the Trump administration has waffled on how DHS intends to carry out the plans for releasing state-by-state lists, but on Monday, the Justice Department said DHS is working on making "citizenship list information" available for states to access.

DHS is also having "preliminary conversations" about the agencies sharing data, DOJ said Monday. The administration previously told the court that DHS was exploring whether the state voter data provided to USPS could be used to help "monitor mail-in and absentee ballot flows, identify anomalies that may suggest voter fraud or misuse, and generate authorized investigative leads."

A spokesperson for DHS said in a statement to CNN that it was lawfully implementing President Trump's executive order and that it was committed to "restoring integrity to our election systems and ensuring that American citizens and only American citizens are electing American leaders."



Feasibility questions

There are major questions over the feasibility of the Postal Service's plan, including whether the already cash-strapped agency has the funding and wherewithal to execute such drastic steps on such a quick timeline.

"When they don't have the funding to do their declared mission, how's anybody reasonably expecting that they can expand that mission?" said Matt Crane, executive director of the Colorado County Clerks Association, which represents the local officials who run elections in the state. "Focus on their day job and let us do ours."

Under the proposed regulations, the Postal Service will need to design and launch a portal through which states could submit a list of their mail voters, along with unique bar codes for each individual.

"The real problem is, to my knowledge, this portal doesn't exist yet," said Jeff Ellington, whose company, Runbeck Election Services, has been hired by Maricopa County, Arizona, and other large jurisdictions to print ballots and administer other aspects of mail voting.

The Trump administration has told USPS there is money to support the internal implementation, a person familiar with the conversations told CNN, though the specific stream of funding is unclear.

Within the agency, the outsized impact the new system will have on smaller, rural communities has been a matter of discussion, the person said.

In addition to the lists of eligible voters, the proposed regulations include new standards for ballot envelopes, including barcodes that would help keep track of ballots — all of which pose challenges for smaller election offices with limited budgets to revamp mail-in ballots.

Large counties in states where mail voting is prevalent, such as Arizona and Colorado, are likely to already use ballot envelopes that are designed in accordance with the proposed regulations. Those design features have long been best practices for mail voting, said Tammy Patrick, chief programs officer at Election Center, a non-profit that serves elections officials across the country.

"There are practical reasons why some jurisdictions haven't adopted this," said Patrick. She pointed both to budgetary issues as well as state laws that stand in the way of ballot envelope designs that facilitate automated tracking.

How jurisdictions organize and format their mail vote data varies from state to state, and within each state, posing potential obstacles for how USPS will receive those lists.

"Across the states, it's been a challenge for local officials to make sure their data can be ingested and read by the states," Patrick said. "And now we are asking all 50 states to have information that can be aligned for the Postal Service."



Legal fights over Trump's directives

Trump tried to assert more control over federal elections in an executive order last year, but that has been largely blocked by judges who concluded he has no unilateral power to alter voting rules, and any such authority must come from Congress. Similar arguments are being made against the latest order.

Last month, US District Court Judge Carl Nichols declined to block Trump's 2026 executive order – not because he found its directives lawful, but because he said there were unanswered questions about how the government would implement it, so it was too soon for him to intervene.

Democrats are pushing the DC US Circuit Court of Appeals for a ruling this summer.

"If the Order remains in force, millions of American voters' sensitive personal data will be amassed into inaccurate and unlawful databases and USPS will engage in unprecedented interference with state mail voting programs," the Democrats wrote in a Monday court filing.

The Justice Department argued in court filings "that there is no justification for such a compressed schedule."

The USPS proposal, which was rolled out the day after Nichols' ruling and is open to public comment, included some notable modifications to what Trump's March 2026 directive envisioned, softening some of the most stringent limitations on mail-in voting. For instance, it gave states flexibility to continue to modify the voter lists that are submitted to USPS as the midterms approach.

Still, election experts are puzzled by what USPS will do with those lists once the agency receives them and warn that any hiccups in that process could lead voters not getting their ballots in time.

Some election officials see the requirement as a backdoor data-grab by the administration as the Justice Department has sued 30 states to obtain sensitive voter data – particularly for universal mail-balloting states where essentially every voter would be on such a list. The eight courts that have ruled in those cases have all ruled against the Justice Department.

"We already told the Trump administration that they couldn't have our voter data," said Amanda Gonzalez, who is the clerk of Jefferson County, Colorado, and a Democrat running to be the top election official in the state, which is fighting the administration's voter roll demand in court. "This is just a poorly disguised ploy to get it another way."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/postal-won-t-deliver-mail-100007973.html

So you have verifiable evidence? If so why hasn't trump or anyone in the House or Senate produced it?

The sprawling Minnesota fraud scandals began in early 2022 when the FBI raided the offices of the nonprofit Feeding Our Future and dozens of related sites. However, initial state investigations and warnings regarding suspicious activity in programs like the Child Care Assistance Program (CCAP) trace back as early as 2018 and 2019.

As it turns out and always seem to be the case, every accusation they make is just another confession.