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Just a wee bit more to add. If you get a gadget or gimmick to work with him a few times, then you want it on tape. You show some wrinkles to force other D's to prepare for it. Complicate their calls a bit more. We have heard it said that some opponents didn't
need to do much to prepare for us under Ski. I think you get him into a number of looks. Just putting him on the field should command attention and adjustments.
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I agree unless you use him as we used Schwartz where it was obvious what the next play was going to be. If we just stick him in to run a reverse or QB option and teams know that, there isn't an element of surprise.

Trick plays don't work if the opponent isn't tricked. I still say it would be a good idea to tell Green report over to coach Jones with the receivers and have him work out there for a day. See if he can catch, which I suspect he can. Maybe just the last 15 minutes of a practice and any voluntary time after practice just to take a look.

I think the guy could become a star as a receiver. Note I did say "could", and obviously it wouldn't be overnight. I think his chances at QB are very limited. If Shedufus balls out, he will become our QB of the future. If not, we will draft a QB in the next draft, and he will get all of the attention the next 3-4 years. I don't see much of a window at the position for Green at QB.

Taylen Green is a QB. He's always been a QB. They could put 25 plays for red zone opportunites and have him master those 25 plays instead of opening the entire playbook. The problem with this lies in the fact he would not be a viable option for a backup QB, so he would be taking another spot up on the game day roster other than emergency backup QB. So, a lineman, DB, receiver, RB, someone that might contribute due to injuries would be left out of the options.

My argument is, too many players are standing on the sidelines waiting for an injury. Taylen Green would be on the roster to maximize red zone production. HE would be more valuable than these extra bodies normally reserved for sideline cheer section.

If they determine he can successfully run 25 plays, he's in. If he can't then what are we doing anyway?

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Just a note on what I said originally. Complicate opponent preparation a bit by showing them something different. A second QB, one who cab throw/catch/run during a play, especially red zone, can complicate defensive calls. Some potential offense to process and influence and hopefully complicate reactions. Limiting players on the roster isn't savvy IMO. Give the opponent more to consider, more to practice for, steal some prep time. The "surprise" offensive wrinkle is something to pursue a bit. But first the offense has to hurt the opponent in the game. But the rest of the schedule may prepare for it. Scripting Green gadgets or other players' surprises offer some dividend if they take up practice time and give the D more to process. An offense's job is to force the D to perform, to react, to adjust. Not all players are suitable for this, but this kid is.


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Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
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Just a wee bit more to add. If you get a gadget or gimmick to work with him a few times, then you want it on tape. You show some wrinkles to force other D's to prepare for it. Complicate their calls a bit more. We have heard it said that some opponents didn't
need to do much to prepare for us under Ski. I think you get him into a number of looks. Just putting him on the field should command attention and adjustments.
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I agree unless you use him as we used Schwartz where it was obvious what the next play was going to be. If we just stick him in to run a reverse or QB option and teams know that, there isn't an element of surprise.

Trick plays don't work if the opponent isn't tricked. I still say it would be a good idea to tell Green report over to coach Jones with the receivers and have him work out there for a day. See if he can catch, which I suspect he can. Maybe just the last 15 minutes of a practice and any voluntary time after practice just to take a look.

I think the guy could become a star as a receiver. Note I did say "could", and obviously it wouldn't be overnight. I think his chances at QB are very limited. If Shedufus balls out, he will become our QB of the future. If not, we will draft a QB in the next draft, and he will get all of the attention the next 3-4 years. I don't see much of a window at the position for Green at QB.

Taylen Green is a QB. He's always been a QB. They could put 25 plays for red zone opportunites and have him master those 25 plays instead of opening the entire playbook. The problem with this lies in the fact he would not be a viable option for a backup QB, so he would be taking another spot up on the game day roster other than emergency backup QB. So, a lineman, DB, receiver, RB, someone that might contribute due to injuries would be left out of the options.

My argument is, too many players are standing on the sidelines waiting for an injury. Taylen Green would be on the roster to maximize red zone production. HE would be more valuable than these extra bodies normally reserved for sideline cheer section.

If they determine he can successfully run 25 plays, he's in. If he can't then what are we doing anyway?

Who cares if he has always been a QB? I agree, it's about getting the most out of a player.

The guy is a dynamic playmaker with his legs, not his arm. If he was a statue QB, his arm wouldn't have carried him very far. I just don't see a window of opportunity for the guy to become the next great QB for the Browns for the reasons I mentioned before. If Shedufus doesn't play to the level that makes us decide we don't need to draft a QB early in the draft we aren't going to all of a sudden think Green is the guy and give him the next 4 years to be our great QB. We will draft someone who will be given that opportunity.

We will still be able to use Green for some of the situations you mention for this season, but we don't need to be grooming him to be a back-up QB. Either Sanders grabs the role this season or we will draft someone to take that role.

I agree, Green won't be a solid back-up this season. I do think Gabriel can. I think many have written him off a bit too soon. If Green is a take a roster position, I would rather see him take a roster sport from Tillman or Corley or whoever.

Heck, Cribbs was a QB his whole career before he got to the NFL. He didn't get QB snaps unless it was in a situation much as you described. Heinz Ward was a QB until a team not far away decided he needed to be on the field as a WR. That worked out pretty good.


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He said he would only play QB and the Browns also said they drafted him to be a QB. If I were him and a team drafted me while telling me a lie I doubt I would be willing to go along with it.


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I would stick to trying to develop him as a QB. As we all know he has off the chart physical skills. It may take a while but it could be worth it. He can be our #3 for a few years.

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The thing is, you keep saying over and over you don't think he has an opportunity to be a QB...but you want him to be a wide receiver. A position he admitted he has zero experience in and zero ambition to learn. What open opportunity do you see him sliding into there?

The browns starting WRs are "probably"

Jerry Jeudy
KC Concepcion
Denzel Boston

Those in the know are saying that Isaiah Bond is very impressive this offseason. He will be #4 with a lot of playing time.
I'll be surprised if Cedric Tillman isn't the 5th
Tylan Wallace is most likely the 6th guy for punt return duties

We could also go with 5 WRs on the roster, if KC is doing returns.

I could see a development WR role if he went to the practice squad, but there is no guarantee he will make it to the practice squad.

If he is going to make the actual roster this season, I only see that path through package QB plays or a lot of injuries.

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I would stick to trying to develop him as a QB. As we all know he has off the chart physical skills. It may take a while but it could be worth it. He can be our #3 for a few years.

I don't know about that. 6th round QB's don't usually get three years to develop. Potential and athletic ability are not nearly enough to be an NFL QB. It takes much more than that. Actually the QB position is more about what's behind the ears than athletic ability. It's certainly an attribute in the package however. I have no idea if he has the ability to mentally process and evolve into an actual NFL QB but if that were strong possibility I don't think he would have been sitting there in round 6. But who knows?

As of now he would certainly be of value to come in on QB packages. The RPO would be right up his alley and keep opposing D's off guard. He most certainly could develop into more but I don't think you take three years to try and develop him into an actual QB.

Could he develop into more? Most certainly. But I don't believe you invest three years waiting to find out.


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I liked Green. I hyped him before the draft and probably before many on here really ever heard of the guy.

You develop by playing. I have explained it several times. I don't see and real window where he will play. Dufus gets this year. If he gets hurt, Watson is #2. We all agree there isn't much future in trying to sign Watson again. We probably wouldn't and even if we did try, Watson probably won't want to sign here again given all that has happened unless it is his only real choice.

If we draft a QB with our #1 pick, especially if we trade some picks as well to get him, he will be the starter. Plain and simple, he will be the starter for at least 2-3 seasons. I know we look to be better at receiver but don't act like we can't use another good option at the position.

I would rather see Green develop in to a solid WR over that of a back-up QB. We would get more value out of the guy. I think possibly star value. He might do that at QB. I just don't see a path where get will get the opportunity.

Where is he going to get his chance to shine at QB enough to alter any plans to draft a QB #1 next year if Shedufus falters and doesn't look like a star level player? Taking a few snaps as a Wildcat QB this season isn't going to do that. If anything it is going to bolster my position because some coach is going to say we need to keep that guy on the field for 70% of the snaps. I don't see him and a TE or running back, so what does that leave?


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I liked Green. I hyped him before the draft and probably before many on here really ever heard of the guy.

You develop by playing. I have explained it several times. I don't see and real window where he will play. Dufus gets this year. If he gets hurt, Watson is #2. We all agree there isn't much future in trying to sign Watson again. We probably wouldn't and even if we did try, Watson probably won't want to sign here again given all that has happened unless it is his only real choice.

If we draft a QB with our #1 pick, especially if we trade some picks as well to get him, he will be the starter. Plain and simple, he will be the starter for at least 2-3 seasons. I know we look to be better at receiver but don't act like we can't use another good option at the position.

I would rather see Green develop in to a solid WR over that of a back-up QB. We would get more value out of the guy. I think possibly star value. He might do that at QB. I just don't see a path where get will get the opportunity.

Where is he going to get his chance to shine at QB enough to alter any plans to draft a QB #1 next year if Shedufus falters and doesn't look like a star level player? Taking a few snaps as a Wildcat QB this season isn't going to do that. If anything it is going to bolster my position because some coach is going to say we need to keep that guy on the field for 70% of the snaps. I don't see him and a TE or running back, so what does that leave?

Don't take it the wrong way, I am always wanting to find a diamond in the rough, but the odds of him converting to a successful wide receiver are lower than developing into a viable QB options, as low as that may be. Just dismissing the fact he is here as a QB saying you want him to be a great WR, it just doesn't seem very logical.

I'm not trying to fit him into anything.. he's a 6th round draft pick. IF he was a diamond in the rough that 31 teams missed, that is awesome. It that doesn't happen, but the skill set jumps off the field and smacks you in the face, then you have to have the hard talk with him and let him know his roster spot is in jeopardy unless he can use his skill set at another position. Then and only then do you have that discussion. Give the man a chance to fail though. He is a long shot to succeed as a 6th round pick. Pit and I have gone rounds already about, not just the odds, but the time frame for him to improve those odds. His Best and possibly only chance to be a Brown is to show he can be a QB. They don't have time to try him out at several positions just because he ran great at the combine. He either shows something that is worth developing, or he is just another 6th rounder that failed to make a roster. Then you could try to sneak him on to the practice squad. Frankly, those 31 teams passed him over, him not making the roster probably doesn't give them any more reason to put him on their roster after preseason is done. He probably could make the practice squad.

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