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bonefish #2139252 06/15/26 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bonefish
I am unsure if this trade evaluation was assisted by AI?

Or, it was simply analytics that attached values.

The conclusion is stated as fact:

https://dawgpounddaily.com/the-true-value-of-the-browns-myles-garrett-trade-is-staggering
Results.

At the end of the day, that’s all that really matters.

The opposite is equally true. When results are poor, nobody wants to hear about increased revenues, brand growth, engagement numbers, or long-term strategies. Every decision is scrutinized, every investment is questioned, and every setback becomes evidence of incompetence.

It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
I am unsure if this trade evaluation was assisted by AI?

Or, it was simply analytics that attached values.

The conclusion is stated as fact:

https://dawgpounddaily.com/the-true-value-of-the-browns-myles-garrett-trade-is-staggering

Who knows? No matter, it was a good read, thanks.

I think it stands to reason that Verse will bring more value to us a few years down the road than Myles will bring to the Rams barring injury factors. The overall results of the trade will play out depending on how the next 3 years worth of picks pan out.

One would expect the 1st and 2nd rounders to become at least good players. The 3rd rounder, who knows? Even if the picks become good players, bolstering 2-3 positions on the team exceeds any loss at DE when you compare Myles to Verse.

If we chili dip the picks, then we lose the trade.


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Making that trade is not an easy decision.

There are many factors involved. And it can be evaluated in many ways.

That article provides an interesting point of view to look at the trade under numerous lights.

It assigns financial and long term analysis.

The key component IMO is of course how the draft picks pan out.

The mission remains the same. The Browns have to secure the quarterback position.

If the draft picks become part of a package that lands a franchise QB. That alone makes the trade worth it.

Verse does not have to be Myles. If he is part of an overall defense that ranks high. His absence is minimized.


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What if? - Why not? IMO, we should absolutely attempt to get Sorsby if available. He is probably as good as any of the upcoming draftees that will cost a 1st round pick(s) and if we get him for a 3rd rd. We would have the fire power to either build strong fast or accumulate multiple picks with trades.

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Rumor has it Sorsby wants to make a side bet with you that won't happen. naughtydevil


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Under the current situation and given all the facts.

IMO the Browns pass. He could be a good quarterback. Clearly his tape shows a guy with a good tool set.

However, he also has been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder.

No doubt that he has to be viewed as having a red flag attached. The supplemental draft is in July.

There is no way he is given a clean bill of health. Down the road with the proper professionals and family support. He may overcome his disorder. But, there is no way to know that in this time frame.

If he could have gone back to college in a year he may have made the strides to take the risk.

I do not see the Browns putting in a bid.

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I'm guessing the Browns have a draft pick they're willing to give up where the juice is worth the squeeze. Now that could be a 7th.

Sorsby has talent and Berry has proven to get players with a checkered past if he thinks the value is there.


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That would go over like a pork chop in a synagogue.



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Originally Posted by FATE
That would go over like a pork chop in a synagogue.



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rofl Did AI use the lucky 7's because I mentioned the 7th round ?!?! (guessing not)


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Originally Posted by FATE
That would go over like a pork chop in a synagogue.



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That would go over like a pork chop in a synagogue.



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Only thing missing is an inflatable swan.


And some booger sugar.


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Nope. But I about choked on my coffee when the image came up. 🤣

"The Browns already have taylen green and shedeur sanders as QBs they are developing. Now there is talk of them going after Sorsby in the supplemental draft. Make me an animated meme of Sorsby winning in a casino with the other two QBs watching on in anger."


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Originally Posted by FATE
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Who is the QB on the left. Do we currently have a QB with that number?

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The two best things that could happen but cannot be counted on.

Matt Stafford gets injured and the Rams win like 3 games.

Shedeur Sanders wins games and leads the Browns into the playoffs. He plays at a level that puts the case to draft a QB to bed.

Ya never know about guys who are playing QB in the NFL at age 38. Stafford dealt with a significant aggravated disc (bulging/herniated disc) in his back last year. So it is within reason that he could have problems.

Shedeur is a different case. It is difficult to evaluate a rookie 5th round pick. He was never intended to start last year.

So he started seven games with little preparation. In addition, he had a really poor supporting cast. Bad OL, lousy receivers, inadequate running game. He played about as well as could be expected. He was inconsistent. He showed accuracy when not pressured. Flashed better mobility than expected. However, his biggest flaw was slow processing.

The new offense has different players and the coaching staff has changed. Early reports from OTA's are encouraging. according to the coaching staff and Berry. They are happy with his improvements.

Obviously OTA's are very limited. No pads, no real competition.

Until camp and pre-season games take place. Not much can be drawn from where we are today.

IMO Shedeur should be the starter. I see no benefit from starting DW at all. He is not the future of this team.

Hopefully Shedeur earns the starter's role. If so, then it is all in his court.

I am not placing bets or quoting odds. If he plays everyone can see for themselves.

So, there is a chance that things could go our way.

At the same time all eyes will be on the college quarterback class of 2027.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
The two best things that could happen but cannot be counted on.

Matt Stafford gets injured and the Rams win like 3 games.

Shedeur Sanders wins games and leads the Browns into the playoffs. He plays at a level that puts the case to draft a QB to bed.

Ya never know about guys who are playing QB in the NFL at age 38. Stafford dealt with a significant aggravated disc (bulging/herniated disc) in his back last year. So it is within reason that he could have problems.

Shedeur is a different case. It is difficult to evaluate a rookie 5th round pick. He was never intended to start last year.

So he started seven games with little preparation. In addition, he had a really poor supporting cast. Bad OL, lousy receivers, inadequate running game. He played about as well as could be expected. He was inconsistent. He showed accuracy when not pressured. Flashed better mobility than expected. However, his biggest flaw was slow processing.

The new offense has different players and the coaching staff has changed. Early reports from OTA's are encouraging. according to the coaching staff and Berry. They are happy with his improvements.

Obviously OTA's are very limited. No pads, no real competition.

Until camp and pre-season games take place. Not much can be drawn from where we are today.

IMO Shedeur should be the starter. I see no benefit from starting DW at all. He is not the future of this team.

Hopefully Shedeur earns the starter's role. If so, then it is all in his court.

I am not placing bets or quoting odds. If he plays everyone can see for themselves.

So, there is a chance that things could go our way.

At the same time all eyes will be on the college quarterback class of 2027.

I think if all things are equal the Browns will name Sanders the starter. If they do name Watson, the starter that will tell us what they actually think about Sanders as a future QB.

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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by bonefish
The two best things that could happen but cannot be counted on.

Matt Stafford gets injured and the Rams win like 3 games.

Shedeur Sanders wins games and leads the Browns into the playoffs. He plays at a level that puts the case to draft a QB to bed.

Ya never know about guys who are playing QB in the NFL at age 38. Stafford dealt with a significant aggravated disc (bulging/herniated disc) in his back last year. So it is within reason that he could have problems.

Shedeur is a different case. It is difficult to evaluate a rookie 5th round pick. He was never intended to start last year.

So he started seven games with little preparation. In addition, he had a really poor supporting cast. Bad OL, lousy receivers, inadequate running game. He played about as well as could be expected. He was inconsistent. He showed accuracy when not pressured. Flashed better mobility than expected. However, his biggest flaw was slow processing.

The new offense has different players and the coaching staff has changed. Early reports from OTA's are encouraging. according to the coaching staff and Berry. They are happy with his improvements.

Obviously OTA's are very limited. No pads, no real competition.

Until camp and pre-season games take place. Not much can be drawn from where we are today.

IMO Shedeur should be the starter. I see no benefit from starting DW at all. He is not the future of this team.

Hopefully Shedeur earns the starter's role. If so, then it is all in his court.

I am not placing bets or quoting odds. If he plays everyone can see for themselves.

So, there is a chance that things could go our way.

At the same time all eyes will be on the college quarterback class of 2027.

I think if all things are equal the Browns will name Sanders the starter. If they do name Watson, the starter that will tell us what they actually think about Sanders as a future QB.

I used to think the same thing. At the end of the day, Monken has no skin in the game when it comes to QBs, except a 6th round Green.. so really no skin in the game. His main priority is winning games, not in 2027 or 2028, in 2026. He isn’t responsible for putting players on the roster or planning for future players. His job is to put the team in the best position to win each week. That will probably be Watson based on experience. It could still be true that they see enough in Sanders to be the replacement when Watson leaves, even if Berry drafts a new QB.

Now if they spend the farm on a rookie, he might be forced to use him instead, but he will still be responsible for putting the best players on the field to win. Who knows who that will be in 3 months let alone 15 months.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
Making that trade is not an easy decision.

There are many factors involved. And it can be evaluated in many ways.

That article provides an interesting point of view to look at the trade under numerous lights.

It assigns financial and long term analysis.

The key component IMO is of course how the draft picks pan out.

The mission remains the same. The Browns have to secure the quarterback position.

If the draft picks become part of a package that lands a franchise QB. That alone makes the trade worth it.

Verse does not have to be Myles. If he is part of an overall defense that ranks high. His absence is minimized.


I agree. You don't replace Myles, you replace the position he played. The deal is we don't have to replace Myles the player, we just need to be good enough to mitigate the loss.


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Monken's position is simple. Play to win.

However, IMO if DW is not clearly better than Shedeur. If they are somewhat close.

Shedeur should start.

Monken is still a part of an organization. He is not on top of the organization.

There are long term goals. Looking at the big picture. The mission statement is to find a franchise quarterback.

DW does Not represent the future of the team.

Shedeur has a chance to fit into the future plans. If he does not play. And gets clearly beat out. Then he also does not fit into the future plans.

Playing Shedeur verifies his future one way or the other.


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