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There is your chronological age and your biological age.
Because of how the internet tracks you. Once you have looked at an article; of course you get feeds to related articles.
So I saw something like "if you can do this at age 70-75" you are in x percentile.
There are all kinds of gerontology studies that measure your biological age.
One is how many times can you get up from a chair unassisted in 30 seconds?
Another is can you walk at a decent pace for 30 minutes. Then there are cognitive type questions about isolation an social interaction. As well memory recall tests etc.
I decided to test myself because I will be 79 in September. I was wondering what could I expect in the coming years.
On the 30 second chair test. I did 27 reps from low stool not a regular chair.
A score of 27 reps actually mirrors the physical capabilities of a healthy 20 to 30-year-old, who averages roughly 33.
I plugged in that I swim 1500 yards per week. It said that can reduce biological age by 20 years.
I have been lap swimming for close to 15 years and I cut back to 1500 yards.
I was blown away. I had a massive heart in 2024 with a 5% chance to survive. I completely recovered and am back to my normal abilities. I do deep squats every day so the chair test was no big deal to me because I do sets of 15 twice a day. I never tried seeing what I could do in 30 seconds.
I feel ageing but I took a lot for granted. I measured myself to "can I fly fish wading in rivers." I cannot because of osteoarthritis in my back. After 30 minutes my back hurts and it is no longer worth it because you can't fish for 30 minutes and expect much.
My mother lived till 97. My father made it to 71. I always figured if I made it to 75. I got a full ride. There was a thread about "how much is enough." Well the first thing is how long you live is a big factor.
Ya never know when something will bite you and out you go. But if you can it is important to be physically the best you can be.
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I find myself thinking more and more about aging as I get older (I know... funny how that works). My playing hockey has been a really good barometer. Starting at mid-thirties, just doing a couple laps around the rink and a quick stretch was no longer enough to get my body ready to play. I realized that I had to be more disciplined about exercising (not just hockey as exercise, but cardio and stretching) so I didn't pull a muscle or worse while playing. I've still got work to do there, but now (getting into my mid-forties) I'm finding that sometimes all the discipline in the world won't stop a random muscle pull or other minor injury... and now those take a LOT longer to go away.
What's more interesting to me, though, is how I'm aging upstairs. Even after I got married, I was still playing 3-4 times a week non-stop with a couple tournaments each year. Now I only play once a week and look forward to taking the summers off. Yes, kids and house and job are the reasons (just like everyone else), but I always imagined that I wouldn't be able to handle playing so little.
Sorry for the tangent, reading your post and feeling my shoulder from when my dog yanked on the leash got me in a sharing mood.
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The older you get the more you find out what you used to do is further away from what you can do now.
I used to have to go up on the roof for various reasons. I stopped doing that. It is not the ladder. It is getting from the roof back on the ladder. I started to become more conscious about it. I just ended it with why take the chance?
Also endurance slips away. Not all at once but a slow decline.
You accept the declines even though you find it frustrating.
IMO the worst thing you can do is give in to things. Your internal dialogue starts saying I can't do this. And slowly you start backing off all kinds of things. You should push yourself. You should take the steps instead of the elevator.
You should care about health because it really hard to enjoy your life if you feel lousy or limit your true ability.
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My chronological age is 63. My biological age is 496 and 2 months. 
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I used to have to go up on the roof for various reasons. I stopped doing that. It is not the ladder. It is getting from the roof back on the ladder. I started to become more conscious about it. I just ended it with why take the chance?
Don't you know it. Last year, I had to sit there and think about how I'm getting onto the ladder from the roof without losing my balance, and I struggled doing it. I don't know if it's the lack of flexibility or just the lack of confidence, but I decided right there that I'm not doing this anymore. I've been up there many times in the 30+ years I've been in this house, climbing up and down that ladder without a second thought.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
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A close friend of mine who I have known for many years and a DIY guy.
He got up on the roof and just lost it. He had to be helped down.
It is confidence and balance. Once that gets a little shaky. Give it up.
I have fished in rivers since I was a small boy. Waders, boots, fly rod, and lots of walking. Rivers all over the country. Wild, fast water with free stone bottoms all over the West. You have to be in shape. It is easy to fall in current on slippery rocks. I never gave it a thought. I went fishing in Nevada on the Truckee river about five years ago when I was living in Reno. High steep banks with big boulders in the river. After a short period of time. I just stopped. Walked back to the car up a steep hill. I was happy to get the waders off and just sit in the car. I knew then it was over.
I am going to Iceland in July. One of the best places on earth to fly fish. I am not even packing a rod.
For my age I am in good shape. But aging breaks you down like a river wears down stones.
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My chronological age is 63. My biological age is 496 and 2 months.  I wish you young punks would stay off my lawn.
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The tests the studies go by are:
How far can you walk in 6 minutes at a fast pace?
How many times can you curl an 8 pound dumbbell in 30 seconds sitting down with one arm.
How many times can you rise from a chair unassisted in 30 seconds
How long can you stand on one leg with your hands on your hips and the lifted leg against your opposite shin.
Get the results and ask AI where you are compared to those in your age group.
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I agree with you about trying to always move forward and push yourself to continue doing what you can. But as with your story about fly fishing and getting up on the roof I think you make the point that when it gets to a certain juncture where you no longer have the ability to do something safely your mind and body certainly send you a warning it's time to stop doing those things. We don't like it but it's inevitable. Those who ignore these warnings are the people we see on the Six o'clock news. 
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Your body sends clear messages.
No matter where you are physically IMO it is really important to have some form of physical exercise routinely.
Your body needs it just like it needs food.
Even as you age you don't have to fall apart. Even though you lose muscle mass as you age. You can maintain and even increase it.
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...Does yoga do anything for the undead?
I didn't know you were the 4,000 year old son of a two headed man and a mummy named Myrna, GM.
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I am now lifting weights in addition to do some cardio at the gym. Had two surgeries last year but trying to get back into working out every single day like I used to.
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...Does yoga do anything for the undead?
I didn't know you were the 4,000 year old son of a two headed man and a mummy named Myrna, GM. It keeps the skeleton flexible. As far as the 4,000 year old son of a two headed man.... well as Paul Harvey always said "and now you know the rest of the story"
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I just walk and stretch.
While activity is a sound plan, I think how we age and longevity is about 60% hereditary based. Look at Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones. There is no logical explanation as to how that guy has lived as long as he has. In just looking it up, by an odd stroke of fate he is 82 years old today.
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Keith is a medical wonder story.
I have said for years that I have to outlive Keith Richards.
It cannot be fair that someone who has lived his life gets to keep it for so long.
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None of this is about being fair sadly. My mom's side of the family generally live into their mid 80's or longer with few major health problems. Mainly heavy drinkers, smokers and grew up on terrible diets.
My dad's side of the family have lived much cleaner lives and taken much better care of themselves overall yet they often die in their late 60's or early 70's.
I tend to agree with Peen. I think a lot of how long you live is largely based on heredity. I'm sure diet and exercise play a roll but maybe not as much as some people thinks it does.
Oddly enough Keith Richards mom lived to be 91 and his father lived to be 84.
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Interesting. I did not expect these results. I was thinking 50/50 genetics and health practices.
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1. Genetics (The Blueprint): 15% to 25% Large-scale twin studies and deep-dive genetic mapping show that heritability—the amount of variation in lifespan that we can attribute to genetics—is only about 15% to 25%.
Some recent, massive genealogical studies (analyzing family trees of over 400 million people) suggest that the genetic influence on basic lifespan might even be under 10%.
The Caveat: Genetics do act as a strict gatekeeper at the absolute extreme end of human lifespan. If you are talking about living to 100 or 105, exceptional genetics (like specific variants of the APOE or FOXO3 genes) become highly critical. But for reaching a vibrant, healthy 80 or 90, your baseline DNA is only a minor player.
2. Lifestyle Practices (The Daily Choices): 75% to 85% The overwhelming majority of your healthspan (how long you live free of chronic disease) and lifespan is determined by environmental and behavioral factors.
A landmark study published in Circulation tracked adults over decades and looked at five simple habits: a high-quality diet, regular moderate-to-vigorous exercise, maintaining a healthy weight, minimal alcohol intake, and never smoking.
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My Grandfatrher lived to be 96.He worked through the great depression, and outlived 2 wives. He smoked and had a beer or 2 every night.
My Aunt was type 1 diabetic from her teens, and lived to be 86 or 87. She was a housewife, and was married for almost all of her adult life. Never drank or smoked, but my Uncle smoked.
My Mom lived to be 93.My She had a difficuly life. She never smoked and rarely drank.
My Dad, who lived to be 89, left when I was 10, and left Mom to raise 3 boys. He smoked and drank for many years. (not a super heavy drinker though)
All lived very different lives. All lived very long lives. I think that genetics has a great deal to do with thing, as much or more than most factors.
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Keith is a medical wonder story.
I have said for years that I have to outlive Keith Richards.
It cannot be fair that someone who has lived his life gets to keep it for so long.
Fair is a fairy tale. We like the idea of things being fair and mostly equal, but the reality doesn't play out that way, be it pretty much in anything.
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Hell, I know I'm getting old.
When I squeeze into a tight parking spot I get sexually satisfied.
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Hell, I know I'm getting old.
When I squeeze into a tight parking spot I get sexually satisfied. I just watched that Rodney Dangerfield bit the other day. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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You know you are getting older when you have to stand up for 10-15 seconds before you actually start to walk anywhere.
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More Rodney.
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You know you are getting older when you have to stand up for 10-15 seconds before you actually start to walk anywhere. And then forgot why you stood up in the first place. 
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I cannot say everyone who is older has osteoarthritis.
But it is common. Known as wear and tear arthritis that goes along with aging.
Spinal stenosis is another common back pain issue. All is fine walking but standing still for any length of time and lower back pain comes on.
I have gone to a spinal clinic and had numerous epidurals. Temporary fix. Nerve ablation and still no real results.
Motion is lotion. Move or rust.
So I have been swimming for over 15 years. I am doing more yoga back stretches. All of it helps. But there are limits.
AI is useful for very specific back exercises. AI will shorten the time medical advances will progress and some of these age related issues will be better served.
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No one here gets out alive..... but that doesn't mean you should lay down an just accept it.
The human body will adapt to whatever you consistently ask of it. If you ask very little to nothing of it, it will adapt to being able to do very little to nothing. As you age, recovery takes longer, we aren't pumped full of the growth hormones of the young and so it takes longer and longer for the body to repair itself.... but that doesn't mean you stop testing it. Things begin to ache that never used to, but often times that means needing to learn to understand that you need to stretch and work on mobility because your muscles are tight. There is definitely an age-related back slide and as we get older we have to push ourselves just to maintain the status quo, but you can still improve and reverse that slide.
We're all going to eventually succumb to one thing or another, and there are always things that are out of our control, but the condition we're in when we arrive there is largely up to us.
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All true.
What you do as you age is up to you.
I read something about Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was born with an abnormal heart condition.
Today at age 79 he has completely changed what he does for exercise.
The primary goal is to build cardio and take pressure off his joints. He bikes and swims mostly along with high reps of low weights.
He acknowledged the damage he did to his body as a bodybuilder.
You adapt to what you can do now that helps you.
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I am fortunate in the fact that I have a very physical job. But I'm still aging.
When I walk into a gym and look at the basketball rims - the same height as when I played - back when I could dunk 1 handed, or 2 handed - I know look up and wonder "HOW did I do that?"
Takes me a good 10 minutes, in the morning, to feel like I 'should', as far as walking.
Best thing for me is my job. Just getting to work is a privilege, and starting makes me feel good. I don't jump anymore. I don't run, but I am physically active, through work.
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One sure fact is the less you move.
The less you will be able to move.
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One sure fact is the less you move.
The less you will be able to move.
Facts. And things will cause you discomfort. I hear people say all the time "I can't do that because this hurts or that hurts". Now, granted, plenty of folks have real structural issues that prevent them from moving the way they did in their youth, but I'd venture to say that the vast, overwhelming majority simply have bodies they haven't used and the inertia of doing nothing overrides any notion of breaking out of that. That leads to weak muscles which leads to small gaps in joints. It leads to poor balance and being easily injured because the body no longer has the strength to control itself against other forces. Complacency kills. Conversely, working out all the time may cause lots of soreness in muscles, but I'd rather be sore than hurt. I'd rather be strong and resilient. Strong muscles create space in joints which leads to better joint health and it gives me the ability to still get around easily, to still be able to get out of a chair easily, to still squat ass-to-grass and just hang out there and then stand up like it's nothing; things actually move the way they are supposed to. Strong means that I'm still self-sufficient. Carrying 100lbs of chicken feed at a time on my shoulder from the car to the feeders 100 yards away is trivial. Getting two 50 lb bags onto that shoulder at once is just another thing. It means that I rarely, if ever, have an unexpected fall. Your balance *IS* your core muscles. Having strong core - abs, lower back, obliques, glutes, hips - means that your body can react and brace against unexpected things like a shoe toe getting caught in the carpet and tripping you. People fall because those muscles are no longer able to react fast enough or strongly enough to prevent the fall. Personally, I absolutely LOVE to lift heavy. At 55, I am a good bit younger than most of y'all in this thread, but I'm still getting up there and I see the effects of age regularly.... but, I refuse to let that stop me. I acknowledge what I must and adapt my training only as required, but I still go heavy and still push to get stronger constantly, and then I pay extra attention to how I recover and help the body repair itself.
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AI can be helpful.
It may be able to help design an appropriate workout for each person's condition.
If you input all your physical history and current conditions. Include most recent physical and blood work information.
List any chronic condition, and surgeries. It can give you tests to perform to measure where you are in your age bracket.
It can make suggestions of things to consider to help improve your individual case.
My goal is simplistic. I want to be able to do as much as I can for as long as possible.
Motion is lotion. When you stop. You rust.
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Recently I received a clean bill of health from my cardiologist.
My heart is completely normal. There is no residual damage or scarring from a "widowmaker" heart attack in March of 24. I am off meds. except for baby aspirin and a statin.
It was made clear to me that 15 years of swimming twice a week saved my life. It created bypass capillaries that provided time when a blockage occurred. It also prevented long term damage. One of my best friends died from the same type of heart attack.
Water is 800 more dense than air. Swimming is widely considered the ultimate overall workout because it perfectly combines full-body strength training and cardiovascular endurance. It forces you to engage nearly every muscle group simultaneously while eliminating the stress that high-impact land exercises (like running) place on your skeleton and joints.
I am lucky to have a really nice indoor aquatic center 2 miles away. In 15 years I swam close to 1500 miles.
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AI can be helpful.
It may be able to help design an appropriate workout for each person's condition.
If you input all your physical history and current conditions. Include most recent physical and blood work information.
List any chronic condition, and surgeries. It can give you tests to perform to measure where you are in your age bracket.
It can make suggestions of things to consider to help improve your individual case.
My goal is simplistic. I want to be able to do as much as I can for as long as possible.
Motion is lotion. When you stop. You rust. AI was very helpful for me. Workout plan, adjusting my diet, deep dive on supplements I should be taking as a 55+ male. It put together a quick HIIT workout that kicks my butt. I workout with weights, I have since high school. I get lazy once in a while so I just quit adhering to a firm schedule; especially as much as we travel. I hate structure and I like to mix things up. I do pushups nearly every day of my life. I mean, drop for 35 with perfect form... sometimes 40. Every year I make sure I can do my age in pushups in one drop. Other than that, I embrace activity as much as I can. Walking, biking, hiking, etc... I would love to have a pool as close as you do, Bone. That's an amazing way to stay in shape. My biggest hurdle right now is trying to understand what I can do to improve my mind. I'm tired of forgetting things... forgetting words mid-sentence. No, it's not something that goes on all day, it's just very aggravating when it does. Anybody have a magic elixir for that??
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I don't know how to help in "word searching?"
I notice it when I talk to friends my age. I end up filling in the words for them.
We joke about it. But it is common.
It happens once in a while with me. One thing that pops up is spelling. A simple word will sometimes draw a blank. Then I think "wait a minute how did I forget that"?
I read a lot. But I don't forget where I was in the book when I pick it back up.
Overall everyone gets what I call "slipage." You are not as crisp as you were.
Dementia of course is very real. It probably is a combination of heredity and lifestyle. Not sure what you can do.
I see ads about supplements but I don't trust that unless it is verified with controlled case studies.
As long as you stick to an exercise program. That is important. On the wagon and off doesn't work.
Flexibility is important to try and maintain and that goes along with joint protection.
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Overall everyone gets what I call "slipage." That's what she said. 
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