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I was thinking a 4th, but again, I don't study it enough to place a risk reward factor on the matter. I know I wouldn't go with a 2nd rounder and have reservations about a 3rd round pick.

As you said, a 4th seems like a reasonable walk away price if it came down to that.

A 7th is to High. The LAST thing we need is Art Schlichter JR

Apparently, Todd Monken agrees with GMdawg.

This is what was reported over the weekend by Pete Mundo:

Speaking with reporters, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken shut down any notion that Sorsby was under consideration by the organization.

Monken - “That’s not even come across my desk,” Monken said. “I like the quarterbacks that we have. I think that’s a slippery slope, when you go down that [road]. Irrespective of talent, in terms of the situation [Sorsby’s] put himself in, we all know what that is. He put himself in that situation. And we’ve seen in other sports with players that have been banned for life from playing in professional sports.”

Monken’s comments are among the strongest public remarks made by a coach regarding Sorsby’s situation since reports emerged surrounding the Texas Tech quarterback’s alleged involvement in sports gambling activities. The Browns entered the offseason with significant questions at quarterback, leading some observers to wonder whether the franchise could explore unconventional options. Monken’s comments suggest that is not under consideration.


So, there's that. Of course Monken isn't in charge of personnel until it comes down to the final roster. Berry could be thinking something different. I would be surprised if he didn't at least involve the HC if he was considering it.

Sorsby just had his appeal denied on Friday, but he still has a pending lawsuit against the NCAA. He had a judge rule in his favor, which at least temporarily re-instates his eligibility to play in 2026 at Texas Tech. I don't know if he would apply for a supplemental while that lawsuit is going on or not. He would have to do so though for the NFL to even think about having a supplemental. They don't just automatically do it. He has unto June 22nd to apply for the supplemental, then the NFL decides whether to hold it or not based on circumstances. As of today.. he is eligible for the NCAA, so no supplemental, I would assume.

At first, I thought Sorsby might be worth a shot and then I read how far into it he was. No thanks I'll pass. We don't need any more drama here. Sorsby may stay clean the rest of his life and never even buy a scratch ticket, but if he plays in the NFL people will never let him forget what he did. His mistakes on the field will always be questioned. Unfair to him but as they say you made your bed. Let him play somewhere else.

Sounds like Sorsby's best Bet is to head to the Raiders in Vegas.

Well there is a big difference in personalities at play imo.

Stefanski found it easy to insulate himself within the walls of "consensus". His response would be "I don't know, what do you think, I don't mind taking chances on personalities, what do the analytics say??"

Monken will look at you with a dead stare and ask you if you're bat $h*t crazy.

Just my take on the two personnas.

j/c...

Reading this thread a few things come to mind. I know I've bellowed til I'm blue in the face about them, but I feel that strongly...

You cannot just throw a bunch of people into the QB room and expect cream to rise to the top, it hardly ever works that way. Ever hear the expression throw bs at the wall and see what sticks? That's what it feels like when fans are always saying things like "what can it hurt"? It can hurt everything.

Oober mentioned the Manziel disaster, I'm just using his post as an example, not to pick on him (although he loves it when I do). He said it wasn't that we drafted him, it was where we drafted him. First the irony: we as fans were sold on the fact (by the talking heads) that we got such great value... because most thought he would be drafted sooner! Think about that.

Now, I do agree with the notion and intent of his post, for the most part. QBs that are drafted early put more pressure on the staff, have to shoulder more pressure themselves, and put more pressure on the other QBs, especially the incumbent starter.


Brian Hoyer was playing well. Not perfect, but well. Image me, a Browns fan, watching a QB that was 10-4 over his last 14 games being booed while my fellow masochists scream "Johnny! Johnny!" in the stadium.

After JFF almost led a comeback, a confused Hoyer responded to the first salivating reporter "this is still my team, nothing has changed". Our dad bod, garage-beer-drinking coach basically said "we'll have to look at the tape".

Hoyer was pissed when we drafted JFF... he was DONE when those words were spoken.

When you have two question marks in the room... you're on thin ice as far as moves that can be made.
When you have three... you're done. Your only move is drafting someone worth selling the farm for. Period. Not a project, and certainly not someone with a "checkered" past.

If we had anything close to a 10-4 QB in that room, you and I would be bellowing together. The talent level around our QBs (Oline, receivers) muddies the water a bit, but there's no way you can say with confidence that we have that guy on the roster. Maybe someone will establish themself this year, but if we're being brutally honest I don't think that guy lands on the roster until MAYBE after next year's draft.

Additionally, 2020 (playoff-Baker) was the last year we began and ended the year with the same QB. One could argue we could've done it the next year as Baker was playing with the shoulder... but not me. Each subsequent season (IIRC) we've been trotting 3+ QBs out there, except for the year we only used 2 (the Watson suspension year).

Ironically, Baker and Watson could both be headlining the 2027 free agency market. How weird is that?

He and Tampa haven't made any progress on an extension and his camp came out and said if it isn't done before training camp, he will be done negotiating and see what free agency brings. Supposedly he is looking for $60M+ per season.

It's hard to argue against that number. 3 years in Tampa and two playoff spots with a playoff win. He's averaging 66% passing, 32 TDs, 12 INTs and 4079 yards per season.


There is an article that came out this morning, "Could the Browns bring back Baker Mayfield in free agency"? The answer is no way in hell he would come back here.

This is a lot of QB talk in the Myles Garrett thread, lol...

I think the feeling is mutual from the FO's standpoint as well.

Devil's advocate: wasn't his issue primarily with KS? Wouldn't Monken be more inclined to let him sling it?


I think it's HIGHLY unlikely he ends up signing with us (mostly because Tampa won't let him walk), but if we have the cash, a coach and system he likes, and our young talent is showing promise (lots of if's) I don't see why we'd be on a no-fly list.

I don't want Art Sliester either. No doubt there is some risk.

As for Monkens statement....maybe it is a straight up comment, maybe it is smoke? I don' think we would want to advertise we want him.

It's a moot point now. The 4th District Judge in Texas granted his submission. He is cleared to play at Texas Tech this year with a two game suspension. We can reconvene this convo next year for the draft.

Myles Garrett traded, theme of this post-- not many players have lamented loudly the movement of Myles....."STARS" can be a PAIN- previous Coach ski must have had special rules for his star, late for/missed manatory meetings, speeding tickets galore, wants to be traded.....seems to me Myles was all in on Myles and NOT really a LEADER on Browns- and if so, he sure send poor messages-- hope our new young studs walk the walk, and talk the talk, are models on and off the field.....GO Browns!!!

PS- everyone has to take care of themselves in this world, earn what you can, but be on time, be good citizens, and give the job you have honest effort- we just had a left guard retire- he had none of Myles problems......Go Browns!!!!

I'm curious how many people are so sanctimonious that speeding tickets are high on their priority list? Or why at some point one of the best players in the league gets tired of losing?

Cherry picking again, speeding, you missed late for meetings, asked to be traded-- please tell us when Watson announced the hiring of Monken....when was that news conference.

That's only one particular angle. Other factors would be other MG issues regarding wanting to be traded. And another is that the team is rebuilding.

But - if we simply want to focus on speeding tickets - tell me how this is not a consistent pattern of behavior not to be concerned over: (from the web)

Myles Garrett has received at least nine speeding tickets and citations in Ohio since being drafted by the Cleveland Browns in 2017. While he has been cited for speeds reaching up to 120 mph, his most notable instances and documented tickets include:

February 21, 2026: Clocked going 94 mph in a 70-mph zone on Interstate 71 in Wayne County at 1:35 a.m. Bodycam footage revealed he was originally driving over 100 mph, but the deputy reduced the cited speed to 94 to avoid a mandatory court appearance. He paid a $157.50 fine.

August 9, 2025: Cited for driving 100 mph in a 60-mph zone in the Cleveland suburb of Strongsville. This stop happened early on a Saturday morning as he was returning from a preseason road game against the Carolina Panthers. It resulted in a $250 fine.

September 26, 2022: Involved in a high-profile, single-car rollover crash in Medina County. His Porsche went off the road, took out a fire hydrant, and flipped multiple times. He suffered shoulder and biceps sprains and was cited for failure to control his vehicle due to unsafe speeds (driving 65 mph on a 45-mph road). ((65mph!! LOL)

September 2021: Stopped twice in a 24-hour span on Interstate 71 for extreme speeds. He was clocked going 120 mph on one day, and 105 mph the very next day, resulting in combined fines of $554.

No doubt it is reckless behavior that is a pattern. It's not like he passed a cop having a bad day who was writing tickets for going 79 downhill in a 70 zone.

Good thing we traded Myles. It sounds like he could have developed into a problem!!😉

At first I thought Monken should play the QB who looked the best in preseason who gave us the best chance to win but really if it’s Watson it doesn’t do us much good. I feel we should play Shedeur if nothing else just to see what he can do. Watson will be gone after this season and we have to see what Shedeur can do so we can determine the teams future direction.

He had other consistent patterns of behavior as well.

When he was on the field, he always played hard. He was (relatively) durable, and logged many snaps while dinged and playing on bad teams (he could've mailed it in).

Yeah, the speeding isn't good, but if that's the vice you gotta worry about with him... that's pretty minor. You don't have to look very far (not even counting the obvious one) for worse personal/legal issues to worry about.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the truth.

Myles wanted a run at a ring, and the Browns got the best deal they could get.

End of Discussion.

Glad Myles is gone. I think it will work out better for us in the long run. He's due to have a season ending injury again.


Also, it's quite annoying that we lose our best players to LA or NY in almost every sport.

I don't disagree with anything you said. But you can't pretend that the speeding is not a pattern and of at least some concern. You only have to add that MG didn't want to be here and that the Browns are rebuilding - and it becomes a bit of a slam dunk. The trade was the right thing to do for the Browns - all day long in my opinion.

I really hate to see Myles Garrett gone. He is the best defensive player in the game by far. With that said his age does not line up anymore with Browns next window and trading him was the right move as much as it sucks to trade a future hall of famer.

Jared Verse is talented and will be a staple in the defense for years to come and was a very good return coupled with the picks. If the Browns use those picks to hot on a QB, then this will go down as a great trade for the Browns. Miss on the picks then Verse needs to be a future hall of famer himself, or the trade will be viewed as another Browns disappointment.