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#2139857 07/12/26 09:21 AM
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A quarterback battle in training camp has become the "norm."

This year it is the old versus the young. A veteran against a second year player.

Monken had stated he would like to know early but the OTA's gave him no answer.

So when camp opens the battle begins.

IMO what SS did last year can be left in the past. He should begin this season with a clean slate. Last season he had little around him in the way of offensive tools. In addition, he was never expected to start and never had the normal preparation period.

Everyone knows the case of Watson.

So, now there is an entire new coaching staff and offensive scheme.

The offensive line has been rebuilt. The receiver room has added two high draft selections. Judkins will be healthy and ready to go.

Simply stated Monken wants to win games. He will start the player who gives him the best chance to win.

From my point of view unless it is clearly obvious that DW is better. SS should start.

DW can look fine in practice because he is a prototype first round selection. He has the tools of the trade. However, when facing live ammo IMO he will go back to the quarterback we have seen in a Brown's uniform.

SS will need to look the part in camp and show he has control of the offense and playbook. He will have to demonstrate that his flaw of a slow processing clock has been speeded up. The players will know who should start.

Let the battle begin. Let's get ready to rumble.

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Another year . Same story on offense . What QB is best to lead the offense ? 4 OCs in 5 years.
At least Todd Monken has a legit resume. Unlike Tommy Rhees. He was so overhyped.
I dont think it matters who the starter is . Both are bottom tier rated ranked QBs.
I think Watson will be the opening day starter. Just because is this the last chance
To validate the worst trade in NFL history . But I think Monken will run a ball control offense . And heavy TE sets . Its easier to establish run blocking than pass blocking when your entire online is overhauled .
Minken has his work cut out . Defenses are going to load the box . The oline abd WR rooms are totally rebuilt . Monken cant present a over complicated playbook . Sanders and Watson aren't exactly great at processing defenses .

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For me, it is a "hold-your-nose" competition. How much extra time will Monken need to budget for development over-book install? Hard to establish reliable metrics and standards for performance with this much green roster, low achieving, new coaches, and so much more. he can be ball control if we can run well enough. Our tradition of drive killers on offense is not to be taken lightly. I expect to be unhappy all season with QB play. Can our D keep us in? I think the answers will be obvious. I also think the questions will demand attention.Good luck, Coach Monken!


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Until a team plays real games it is really hard to evaluate a team.

The week they practice against another team is a good week to try and get a feel.

The reports can cover how the lines are holding up.

Camp is about reps and getting the execution of plays down.

You hope for no major injuries.

I think Monken will really be looking for the quarterback that gels with the team.

SS has to gain the trust and confidence of the offensive players.

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Unless Sanders can develop on the fly and show something this year, I don't think the whole 'Watson vs Sanders' thing means anything. Neither will be on the roster after next season, IMO.

Honestly, I wouldn't be all that surprised if our entire QB room was turned over going into next season.


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I ask a simple question.

When you look at the Browns roster last year and then how SS became the starter.

How can you evaluate him?

Normally first round drafted quarterbacks are given three years for a judgement grade. Often some don't play at all in their first year.

Cam Ward was the first pick. He went to the worst team. Can you judge him in a year?

I don't think we know much at all about SS.

This year we will find out.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
I ask a simple question.

When you look at the Browns roster last year and then how SS became the starter.

How can you evaluate him?

Normally first round drafted quarterbacks are given three years for a judgement grade. Often some don't play at all in their first year.

Cam Ward was the first pick. He went to the worst team. Can you judge him in a year?

I don't think we know much at all about SS.

This year we will find out.

Agreed...again. One can say the same thing about DG...and his college performance was much better than SS. College being the last time they were BOTH in decent situations.

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It's been 5 seasons since Watson played a meaningful game or started for a season.

Watson is another injury away from being sidelined again.

There have already been reports that Watson is suffering from throwing arm fatigue due to his mini camp practice.

I do not see Watson as a dependable option as the Browns starting QB...jmo

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I agree.

Unless it obvious to everyone that he is superior to SS. I believe SS should start.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
I agree.

Unless it obvious to everyone that he is superior to SS. I believe SS should start.

I also agree, we need to see if Sanders has progressed and to what degree. We need to know what to prepare for in the next draft. I want to win at all costs this season, but unless Watson proves to be much superior to Sanders, it needs to be Sanders.

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One wants to know what we have in SS.

Plans are in place to be looking at the 27 draft quarterbacks.

We cannot make another draft mistake. I often wonder where the Browns would be today if we had drafted Josh Allen?

Certainly we would not be where we are now.

Berry knows that his mission statement is to fix the QB position.

Whatever people think of SS makes little difference. He is going to get his chance.

I want to see what he is capable of.

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I'm just curious and maybe there's no one set answers to these questions. I think everyone would be looking for improvement in Sanders especially with improved WR's and an upgraded OL. The question at that point is how much improvement?

At what point or stat level would Sanders have to reach in order for the Browns not to draft a QB in the first round of the 2027 draft?

Would people trust the coaching staffs decision to start watson over Sanders? I mean after all they are seeing both of them in practice and observing their every move. If Sanders is playing backup in preseason, how much does that tell us about him when he is lining up across from second and third stringers? Some of which won't even make their rosters after the cuts. What if they determine what they are seeing from Sanders is enough evidence for them to decide Sanders simply isn't the answer and decide it's not worth the time and effort to start him unless injuries dictate it?

Actually I lean in the direction of starting Sanders myself when the season begins. I realize that watson won't be back and he would be nothing more than a band aid on a bullet wound. Yet at the same time if the coaching staff doesn't see improvement in his decision making and are aware he is not in any way a viable answer to the starting QB position, I could understand why they may go with watson. And God knows I hate the idea of seeing watson on the field leading the Browns.

If they know what they have or don't have in Sanders, why is it so important that we do?


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I want to see him take care of the ball better. As far as stats go, I think that's measured in less turnovers and more first downs.


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I believe that would also include his decision making. I agree more first downs is critical but when you throw 7td's and 10int's that decision making becomes a very critical factor. I mean it's hard to make first downs if you keep giving your opponent the ball. That TD to Int. ratio is one stat it's very hard for me to ignore.


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All good questions.

Not a single answer from stats. But, turnovers are always a dominant stat.

TD/ Int ratio. Completion percentage.

The way I see it is he has to pass the eye test of Berry and Monken. They see him everyday. They see how the players respond to him.

Both Berry and Monken have said he has come a long way.

The draft order and the play of SS although two different things. They kind of merge together.

SS would have to look the part of a true leader and back it up with performance. SS would have to be very convincing in order for them to not draft a QB.

If the Browns were to have the first pick. Then the performance on the field of SS had to be bad. In addition if we had the first pick who is not going to draft Manning. He would have to play really bad not be the first pick. Pedigree alone counts. What GM would want to know as the guy who passed up on a Manning?

If were we to win nine or ten games with SS and went to the playoffs. SS would still have to look the part of a true franchise guy.

All this is difficult. No easy answers.

I see no point in starting DW. He would have to be overwhelmingly the winner of the camp battle. IMO.

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Thanks for the reply. Yeah, it's a hard thing to make any real parameters around to some extent in terms of numbers. At least speaking for myself. I was pretty much sold on Sanders being the only legitimate person to start at QB going into this season. But the more I thought about it the more questions that arose. I still lean in that direction but I'm certainly not as emphatic about it now.


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More than likely it will not be simple.

He won't be great and he won't be terrible. He proves to be a good backup. He was then worth the draft pick.

He plays ok and we win seven or eight games. Boo.

Then we are down in the draft order. We end with the fourth selected QB. SS starts in 27 and the draft pick is in learning mode.

It is complicated. It would be better if he is terrible or great.


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I haven't seen anything that screams greatness from him but who knows? Terrible would, along with the ammunition the Browns have in draft picks insure a top QB pick in the 2026 draft.

Yes, it is complicated.


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