DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Watson vs Sanders?

I really wish there were an extra metric that separated time to throw from time to throw on script. It can be very misleading since it accounts for everything through the end of the play.

If I scramble around for ten seconds and take a 20 yard sack, my "time to throw" was ten seconds. Hell, from that standpoint, I could have one of the most porous O-Lines in the league and it would look like they were Pro Bowlers giving me all the time in the world.

Don't get me wrong, I know all these things average out over hundreds of snaps, this one's still one of those Paul Harvey stats... you may need to seek and find "the rest of the story".

Sanders best quality appears to be his work ethic ... But the question remains has he worked hard enough and does he poses the actual ability to be a good QB?

It may not matter ... if the QB race is even remotely close. Start Sanders.

Watson, to me, has had a game and a half out of 19 opportunities in a Browns Uni and played well. Out of the 19 opportunities - and without looking up stats - I'd say he had maybe 3 games where he stunk as bad as any QB I remember watching play for CLE. He had another 4 or 5 really really bad games where he was incompetent ... 6 or 7 flat out very bad games. He had a couple/few games merely looking bad. I see no benefit to running out that guy to play at a "merely look bad" level or worse. I'd rather give Gabriel or Sanders the opportunity to learn even if they stink at times.

An extra 2 wins in a rebuilding season doesn't help the team enough... and I struggle to see how the Watson we've seen play for the Browns makes even a 2 game difference to the win total.

I am at the point of not caring. It's like choosing between Chuck Frye or Brandon Weeden. After this season we will draft a QB who will in short order be the #1 QB for at least 2.5 seasons. At that point we will know if we have our guy or another dud.

Ditto, right down to every word and period.

There will be obvious hope that it lasts more than 2.5 years, but besides hope.. Yeah, same...

I can understand those sentiments - with one exception. Let's accept or assume or propose that starting Watson because of his experience is likely to result in 2 more wins this season. And instead of a top 7 pick we are picking 12th. Do you care then?

I hate the idea of tanking - I disagree with the idea of tanking. But given that one of the choices is an aging QB with controversy still attached to his name, the other choices are younger and at least have the veneer of having potential ... makes zero sense to start DW.

No doubt the hope is the new guy lasts for a decade or more. I am just saying that if we draft a QB and use a high pick, or picks to draft him, he will get at least 2.5 years before we try someone else.

I understand your sentiments as well. I am not sure Monken buys in to that. I'll even say I don't think he does.

You know I think you're right about Monken. And maybe that should be the end of the conversation? >>> But then we're only giving our opinions as fans.... which is all we ever can do.

If we wanted to just tank this season why not just keep Stefanski?

My opinion of DW's play is based on his time here, not anything he did in Houston (which I was also unimpressed with - I am on record stating on here that he was a product of what he had around him and was nothing overly special himself).


I *still* see DW's bad days better than Sanders' good days because Sanders is less than good.