Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Honestly, at this point I have resigned myself to accept where we are.
My interest is seeing the young core develop.
My expectations for quarterback play are low. The OL will be improved but that is a low bar. There will need to be more investment in the OL next year.
Hopefully we can run the ball some.
I think KC and Boston add a lot to the receiving room along with Bond.
I think the defense will be fine unless it gets hit with injuries.
IMO when this year ends. DW and SS will be at the bottom of QB rankings.
When the draft order is final IMO we will be picking in the top four.
Some people run on good old-fashioned coal-fired common sense.
Others, fairy-dust and fantasy.
Stop trying to spread your fairy dust around. Trying to neglect that the man responsible for finding and signing talent failed in the watson deal is certainly not the definition of common sense.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I think we will start the season with Watson. He will get injured or suck and we switch to Super Sanders. After that experiment ends in a disaster... onto taking Green.
I was thinking the same thing. And with injuries we'll probably have to sign someone else even if we can find a way to keep all the QB's we have now. Our yearly revolving door at the QB position.
I want to see it. "Competition" is this? Posters immediately wrote off half the room immediately to back their favorite. I like DG and Green, and I want to see them live action. The first two have set the bar low, SS especially. A wild cat O might put up more than 10 points. This "competition" is biased, and the set up is suspect.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
I was thinking the same thing. And with injuries we'll probably have to sign someone else even if we can find a way to keep all the QB's we have now. Our yearly revolving door at the QB position.
Just to add a little context......................
Since 2021, the Cleveland Browns have started an average of 3.4 different quarterbacks per season, utilizing a total of 17 starting quarterbacks across the 2021 through 2025 seasons.Yearly Breakdown of Starting Quarterbacks
2021 (3): Baker Mayfield, Case Keenum, Nick Mullens
2022 (2): Jacoby Brissett, Deshaun Watson
2023 (5): Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, P.J. Walker, Jeff Driskel
I want to see it. "Competition" is this? Posters immediately wrote off half the room immediately to back their favorite. I like DG and Green, and I want to see them live action. The first two have set the bar low, SS especially. A wild cat O might put up more than 10 points. This "competition" is biased, and the set up is suspect.
No disagreement here.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
DW will likely be the starter. That is bad enough. Monken will have little choice if he does not play well.
It will be a quick hook. The organization knows that come March of 27 DW will be cut. Berry has structured his deal. Haslam is well aware of the deal and how the team is financially structured.
SS will play at some point. Injury or bad play by DW will make SS the starter.
Both DW and SS are faced with an opportunity and also the chance that they may be on another team after the year is over or possibly before the year is over.
Doors open and close in the NFL. Another team could be put into a position that they need a quarterback and another door may open.
IMO the organization is locked into the 27 draft. In 2027 the expectations for the Browns will not be what they are now. The Browns will have three drafts in place building a roster for a new quarterback. In addition they will have more cap space to spend and augment the roster with free agents.
The organization knows this year is a throw away year. They want to see improvement but their plans are in place.
That's it in a nutshell. We can all see what kind of a year it's going to be. It's a year of development for our young players and look towards the " 27 draft to get our QB of the future. It's sad that this season hasn't even started and we're looking at 2027. Another long painful year for us indeed.
No doubt we can't trade Watson. It would take a nearly impossible hand of cards to fall, and even then we wouldn't get anything with any value. It might not be all that painful a season. We are all pretty numb to what happens on the field after years of pain and it still isn't written we won't be able to run the ball and get just enough out of the passing game to at least look somewhat credible.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Seems every year the last 6 years has been a " throwaway " year Or a development year . I mean when was the last time this franchise was picked to win the North ?
DW will likely be the starter. That is bad enough. Monken will have little choice if he does not play well.
It will be a quick hook. The organization knows that come March of 27 DW will be cut. Berry has structured his deal. Haslam is well aware of the deal and how the team is financially structured.
SS will play at some point. Injury or bad play by DW will make SS the starter.
Both DW and SS are faced with an opportunity and also the chance that they may be on another team after the year is over or possibly before the year is over.
Doors open and close in the NFL. Another team could be put into a position that they need a quarterback and another door may open.
IMO the organization is locked into the 27 draft. In 2027 the expectations for the Browns will not be what they are now. The Browns will have three drafts in place building a roster for a new quarterback. In addition they will have more cap space to spend and augment the roster with free agents.
The organization knows this year is a throw away year. They want to see improvement but their plans are in place.
My pie-in-the-sky hope for this year is that we make it to the end before turning to Green to be our savior.
I would have to say that it's true we have no idea why they are pimping DW as the starter so hard. Maybe another team would be willing to take on at least part of his contract and that money could roll over into next season.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I hope DW plays lights out in the final PS games and we trade him to a desperate team needing a QB.
I'm pretty sure we literally cannot afford to trade him. The CAP ramifications would be the same as if we cut him. All those void year monies would accelerate onto this year.
I'm betting Green starts at LEAST the last three-plus games.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
DW will be let go in March that is when it makes sense.
I cannot see him in Cleveland next year. He is 31 in Sept. Twice torn Achilles. Numerous other injuries. A guy who depended upon mobility and running. He does not want and cannot play the way he did at 25.
SS is a fifth round pick. He is beginning his second year. Right now it appears DW will be the starter. Sander's future is difficult to predict because he has to play to determine his future. Being beat out by DW is a bad sign. In the end it could be he is a fifth rounder.
DG has not shown to date that he can be a starter. Maybe he will have a career like Colt McCoy.
Green is best served by watching right now. Learning what the NFL requires.
It would be great that maybe by the last three games the Browns decide to let him play. When you have his physical tool set. You want to see him grow into the game. No rush keep developing him. When he looks ready. See what he can do.
I hope DW plays lights out in the final PS games and we trade him to a desperate team needing a QB.
I'm pretty sure we literally cannot afford to trade him. The CAP ramifications would be the same as if we cut him. All those void year monies would accelerate onto this year.
I'm betting Green starts at LEAST the last three-plus games.
That’s a sad state of affairs. He’s cost this team so much harm. Still digging out of it.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
I would have to say that it's true we have no idea why they are pimping DW as the starter so hard. Maybe another team would be willing to take on at least part of his contract and that money could roll over into next season.
Maybe because they know he is the best option at this point? There is really no way to trade him without cutting several good players to meet the cap requirements.
Maybe it's because Monken has talked to Shedufus more than once since being hired as head coach.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Honestly - why would any team in the NFL touch DW ?
He has a massive salary - he's played like hot garbage in 80% of the games he played for the Browns - he has a public image as a serial sex abuser and was essentially labeled a sexual predatory by the NFL investigation and the former judge who led that process.
Sure the Browns would love that - but if you are any other GM in the NFL, there is absolutely no upside even if the Browns took on 100% of the salary ... AND the cap hit for the Browns is also prohibitive.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Apparently one pimp wasn't enough. I suspect multiple pimping means several obvious things. First it is a hard sell of unwanted player to other fans. Second, SS really isn't proving himself to be the fit for every game, every snap, not like Monken needs. The competition is proving to be a sham limited to half the room. And spreading reps and starts fairly between these two who are not producing well enough demands more hard sell sessions repeated by more people in an echo chamber. These two love interviews and carrying on about themselves. Bottom line: It is not what we need now. WWCD? What Would Chubb do? Trying to "sell" one of these two tells me the competition is effectively over. I think we were too busy with this for the media; in that process we may have neglected a large body of work that needed more attention than it has received. Go, Browns!
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
I would have to say that it's true we have no idea why they are pimping DW as the starter so hard. Maybe another team would be willing to take on at least part of his contract and that money could roll over into next season.
Maybe because they know he is the best option at this point? There is really no way to trade him without cutting several good players to meet the cap requirements.
Maybe it's because Monken has talked to Shedufus more than once since being hired as head coach.
It is as it was from day one - there was no way DW was ever getting traded once he signed the contract.
If he was "Super Bowl caliber", he wasn't going anywhere for any price. If he wasn't, nobody was paying that price.
Jimmy wanted lightning in a bottle, he got poison in a paper cup.
"Pimping" is exactly as Bard says above, "a hard sell of an unwanted player to the fans". Not us waiving him out there as fodder for trade.
It should be very clear and Obvious that NEITHER of these guys should be in our future as a starting QB. Watson has lost his mojo and Sanders never really had it to begin with if we are being honest. I have really focused on other teams and watched their QB' s function this pre season, we are really BEHIND at the QB position. I hate to say it BUT the future QB for this team is NOT on the roster. I know how popular Shadeur is and he seems like a very nice young man, but he is a 5th round pick who has reminded me time after time that he is just a 5th rd pick by his play. Watson is toast and mentally weak for the position. Cant wait for college to begin to see which QB could possibly lead our team in the future.
Yeah, that's terrible. Not the kind of questions you even entertain; but to place that on the entire "fanbase" will mean about 5x more people booing him next time he stinks the place up. Which will likely be the next time he takes the field.
Kudos to Cleveland media for keeping up their reputation as biggest small market crapfest in sports and stooping to any level for 13 clicks.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Monken's call but believe that Barry with words from Haslam they do not want that kind of home field confrontation. even if "the contest" was equal all factors enter.
They should approach his agent and see if something can be worked out.
Nobody benefits from DW starting. 17 road games? Home field advantage?
I didn't think I could dislike him more - but after this, man it just adds salt into the wound.
I mean at the base level it sounds like he has checked out. And I don't blame the media - he stepped right thru that door and opened it up for everyone by himself. Firstly by his own actions and secondly in this interview with his what he said.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
1. One TD — better than nothing. 2. I’m putting my hopes in our running game. 3. You can’t blame the fans, no matter what.
Positive thoughts:
1. SS looked better than expected. 2. We saw a few more signs that we might actually have a good running game. 3. I’m still trying to come up with a third one.
Negative thoughts:
1. It’s going to be a long, long season. 2. Is this actually a serious organization? 3. One step forward, two steps back. Sound familiar?
Deshaun Watson!
No criticism is needed. He does a better job of that all by himself.
When it comes to Berry and Jimmy H, though, that’s another story. The more time passes, the worse it looks. The level of failure is almost beyond comprehension.
Those two, together with the walking disaster that was Stefanski, managed to kill five or six years of joy and hope for Browns fans.
I've seen you post this a couple of times now. It's pretty disrespectful - but that's fine. But knowing you are a Baker fan, it's worth noting that Gabriel is a shade over 5'11, in bare feet measured at the combine. Baker is not quite 6'1 ...
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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