Let's add Josh Allen to this list who was in the same draft class as Baker.
IMO, this is the real discussion, not Shadeur vs Watson. The current QB room has not shown itself to be capable of NFL winning caliber play. It's the Kobiashi Maru. I have zero confidence in any of the QBs when they step onto the field. They have no "it" factor; some of them show energy and mechanics, but I've not seen anyone who can step onto the field with a "let's go win this toughness." It's a circus of bad decisions and shortened drives. Imagine being an offensive player on the Browns who's contract is loaded with incentives and seeing whichever QB is pulling the trigger. They can't/won't say it, but they're not excited either.
How is it that the Browns have misfired on drafted QBs since 2015 (except Baker Mayfield)? Look at the list: Kessler, Kizer, Baker, DTR, Gabriel and Sanders. I'm still not sure that Sanders is getting a fair shake, or even if the Browns really want to develop him. Seems like another placeholder until the "next great QB" that Haslam has tunnel vision for.
I'm beginning to wonder if the Browns FO worst nightmare is that Sanders or Watson will play well enough to make the team look good, when a bad result is something they seem to have gone out of their way to orchestrate.
Just my two Lincolns...oh wait, they don't mint those anymore...
We are definitely looking at the draft to be the savior .. now we have to hope that Manning, Moore, Sellers, Carr, etc, whichever on we choose, pans out. If not, it's another huge set back
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
I keep reading that the Colts want to trade Richardson, the Vikings want to trade McCarthy, the Titans want to trade Levis, but I do not read of the Browns having any interest in anyone. It seems as though the Browns are HAPPY with Sanders/Watson/Gabriel. Their Browns appear nowhere in any discussion. I understand the writers are writing to fill space, get clicks and sell ads, but I would take any, absolutely any of above QBs over Watson/Sanders/Gabriel. I would trade ALL 3 and a 3rd round pick for any of them. I have no confidence that ANY our current top 3 QBs would do anything but lead us to an NEW RECORD .. 0 - 17 SEASON. I realize the Browns want a the top draft pick in the 2027 Draft, but I have been a Browns fan since 1962 and would like to see 1 more NFL Championship ( now known as Super Bowl ) before I die. GET A FREAKING QB !!
OK .. Rant over ..
The Cleveland Browns - WE KNOW QUARTERBACKS ( Look at how many we've had ... )
I think we are resigned to the fact that we'll stink this year regardless of who is the QB from the above options. But I agree, I hate punting the season before week 1 even starts
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Old , old , old Browns Fan A Tic ; Just don't understand why the fans keep going to the stadium putting money in Haslam pocket.. They and the NFL deserve national embarrassment . Seems like we have this discussion every year ..
I keep reading that the Colts want to trade Richardson, the Vikings want to trade McCarthy, the Titans want to trade Levis, but I do not read of the Browns having any interest in anyone. It seems as though the Browns are HAPPY with Sanders/Watson/Gabriel. Their Browns appear nowhere in any discussion. I understand the writers are writing to fill space, get clicks and sell ads, but I would take any, absolutely any of above QBs over Watson/Sanders/Gabriel. I would trade ALL 3 and a 3rd round pick for any of them. I have no confidence that ANY our current top 3 QBs would do anything but lead us to an NEW RECORD .. 0 - 17 SEASON. I realize the Browns want a the top draft pick in the 2027 Draft, but I have been a Browns fan since 1962 and would like to see 1 more NFL Championship ( now known as Super Bowl ) before I die. GET A FREAKING QB !!
OK .. Rant over ..
Originally Posted by Frenchy
Sign Jimmy G, legit NFL QB still on the streets.
I honestly believe they want to lose as many games as possible, so maybe they can get a great pick. If not they woulda brought a proven guy in!
Is this really what it has come to? Getting rid of bad QBs and eating salary cap, to bring in more really bad QBs, just because ours are in font of us and the others currently aren't?
JJ McCarthy has been a bigger hot mess than SS. Richardson hasn't shown anything to date. Will Levis, we're talking about Will Levis?
Finally, Jimmy G is only legit when it comes to talking about being a legitimately bad QB.
They didn't do anything this year because there was NO options to do anything this year. It is what it is. Frankly, I think we win the same number of games plugging in any of the 4 QBs. They will win some games, but might not beat last year's number.
The better those top QB's look the better for us. I hope they all look really good because if they do one will be a Brown next April.
The thing I am hanging my hat on is the Browns over the past two off seasons has put a future prospect into a much better situation than any of our past QBs. Personally, I think Boston is a future star in this league. I think he is the type of player that makes a QB shine. I really am on the bandwagon of this group of QBs. I am notoriously hard on QBs. I am adamantly against taking a QB just because we need one.. however, this year, I am extremely excited that the player will justify the position of the draft to take him. Unless, 3/4 of them decide to stay in school, we will have at least a couple to choose from that I will be excited about. The first one taken is not necessarily going to be the most successful. If the organization isn't set up for success, that player will fail. In the past that was us, I mostly excited because I don't feel that is still the case... it's also the reason why we could surprise and win 6 games or so. Regardless, if we are close to the top ten, we should have enough ammunition to get one of the top prospects.
As of today, I am keeping a very close eye on those top 4 guys. If the draft was taking place today, I would rank them at Moore, Carr, Sayin and Manning. I'm sure Haslem has a very different ranking...
Irish, I'd keep two lists going. As you stated, a list of the top 4, but I'd keep a list of QBs outside the top 4.
I'm assuming the Browns win 7-9 games. The Browns may not be able to draft one of the top guys.
My gut says Berry wants LaNorris Sellers.
If you recall, both Jackson and Mahomes had question marks about their ability to transition to the NFL. Thus, neither was drafted first.
That is not to say Sellers is as talented as these two guys. Sellers has some unique talent that, with the right surroundings, could potentially be a great QB.
Irish, I'd keep two lists going. As you stated, a list of the top 4, but I'd keep a list of QBs outside the top 4.
I'm assuming the Browns win 7-9 games. The Browns may not be able to draft one of the top guys.
My gut says Berry wants LaNorris Sellers.
If you recall, both Jackson and Mahomes had question marks about their ability to transition to the NFL. Thus, neither was drafted first.
That is not to say Sellers is as talented as these two guys. Sellers has some unique talent that, with the right surroundings, could potentially be a great QB.
I'll be watching Sellers pretty closely to see how he responds after a rough season. Hopefully he bounces back.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Irish, I'd keep two lists going. As you stated, a list of the top 4, but I'd keep a list of QBs outside the top 4.
I'm assuming the Browns win 7-9 games. The Browns may not be able to draft one of the top guys.
My gut says Berry wants LaNorris Sellers.
If you recall, both Jackson and Mahomes had question marks about their ability to transition to the NFL. Thus, neither was drafted first.
That is not to say Sellers is as talented as these two guys. Sellers has some unique talent that, with the right surroundings, could potentially be a great QB.
I'll be watching Sellers pretty closely to see how he responds after a rough season. Hopefully he bounces back.
Me too. Probably my favorite QB likely to see the '27 draft.
Kind of like our preseason game, I'm not sure how much is about the QB, versus how much is about the competition. Stanford might not be very good this year. I'm seeing 3.5 projected wins. (Edit: per sports-reference, Stanford literally had the worst pass defense in all of FBS last season.)
Still Mensah and Toney did look good. We'll see if they can keep it going as the season heats up. I'll take as many good looking potential QB options as possible, please.
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You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Irish, I'd keep two lists going. As you stated, a list of the top 4, but I'd keep a list of QBs outside the top 4.
I'm assuming the Browns win 7-9 games. The Browns may not be able to draft one of the top guys.
My gut says Berry wants LaNorris Sellers.
If you recall, both Jackson and Mahomes had question marks about their ability to transition to the NFL. Thus, neither was drafted first.
That is not to say Sellers is as talented as these two guys. Sellers has some unique talent that, with the right surroundings, could potentially be a great QB.
I'll be watching Sellers pretty closely to see how he responds after a rough season. Hopefully he bounces back.
Me too. Probably my favorite QB likely to see the '27 draft.
I just watched a highlight video of him, very impressive.
Excel sheet online. I can't figure out how to post tables in this format.
Lanorris Sellers played Kent State but they pulled him early in the 2nd half because it was such a blowout, he ended with 270 passing, 3 TDs, No INTs, 1 rush yard. AI admitted he should have been on the list.. weird.
CJ Carr and Trinidad Chambliss are playing right now.
IF you are able to see the list, you can make note that none of them played a decent team.
CJ Carr is playing Wisconsin this week, it might be the best match up of the QBs for this week. It could be argued that Boise State has been competitive the past several seasons, so Dante Moore might have a good matchup as well.
If it had been Clemson, I think the odds of him landing here would be better. It was Tennessee, where Haslam is a big donor, that he had his ugly exit. Haslam should have pretty good intel anyways.
Iamaleava is interesting on the field for sure.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
None of the top QB's played anyone of note this past week-end so I'm not sure how much we can take away from any of that. But if we're speaking strictly about QB performances Julian Sayin had a great game as well......
Completions/Attempts: 21–25, Completion Percentage: 84.0%, Passing Yards: 320, Touchdowns: 3, Interceptions: 0, Passer Rating: 231.1. He was pulled from the game early in the third quarter
It's yet to be determined if he will be coming out in next years draft and this is only his second season as starting QB. Which to me makes his stats last season even more surprising........
College football is different from the NFL in so many ways. Conferences and competition are all over the place. Josh Allen played for Wyoming. Good players are going to play uneven competition.
I watched part of the Miami versus Stanford game. I don't know the Stanford team.
I was watching Mensah. I was watching how he played. Not their offense so much or Stanford's defense.
I was looking at how he set-up. How his feet worked. How he positioned himself to throw. Where he throw from. His release. His hip rotation and follow through. On the pass was it his first read? If not where did his eyes go. Was the ball on time and where was the ball placement.
I look for throws that will look the type of throws that are made in the NFL.
I don't care about TDs to wide open guys or, easy throws. Can he throw on time, accurate throws, into tight windows?
Sometimes the 400 yard 4 TD games don't show much. Sometimes the 160 yard games do.
I watched some of Norte Dame game. I hated their offense. I dislike 100% shot gun. The handoffs and run game are horrible.
I am trying to see if the skills a guys shows are the transferable. I don't have the college football knowledge to know how good each corner is.
Mensah was impressive. He looked the part. Hell when the draft comes it is crapshoot anyway. I just try to find guys I like knowing I could be dead wrong.
I get what you're saying but often times teams that are mismatched do give QB's opportunities they do not get against better opponents. It's much easier for a QB to do the things you speak of when they are comfortable, not pressured and have more time in the pocket. When you're not being pressured your game will flow in your own comfort zone. Not saying that's the case here because I didn't watch the game.
If you play a much weaker team your WR's aren't facing top end defenders. It makes it much easier for your WR's to get open than they may be against much better opponents. Your OL isn't facing top tier DL and LB's which also makes their jobs easier to protect the QB.
Top CB's, DL, OL and every position on the field whose aspiration and talent makes their goal playing in the NFL go to schools where they get the most attention and the most exposure. Many of those who don't go to the top schools do so because they aren't sure they could win the starting position so it's easier for them to be starters and get more exposure at a smaller school than sitting on the bench at a better school.
It does make it easier to see what they can and will do when they're in their comfort zone. What their natural tendencies are when you have the luxury of playing against inferior players. It doesn't tell you what they will do when their teams talent has to face similar talent and they're thrown out of their comfort zones. How a QB will react or what he may revert to when his WR's don't get open on a regular basis and he has to throw into traffic more often. How his mechanics may change when regularly pressured. How he reacts when he has to lead his team on late, game winning drives. The judge of a great QB is how they react when the heat is on. You don't win it all in the NFL based on playing inferior teams.
And yes you can bring up Josh Allan. On rare occasions even QB's who play on lower tier teams can develop into more. It's just not a very common occurrence.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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