DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Gameday vs Jacksonville Post game thoughts....

My gut and head says you are correct on all fronts.... Browns Syndrome has me fearful of something worse.

Next day thoughts:

Probably should note that the Jags are pretty much returning nearly all starters from a team that went 13-4, won its last 8 regular season games (and 9 of 10) including blowouts over the chargers, broncos and colts before losing by 3 to the bills in the playoffs.

We were starting 2 rookie OL, a shell of a man at QB, and a new system for everyone. We sucked but it’s not the end of the world. Yes, we didn’t look prepared but I actually put that more on DW being rattled. He just wasn’t pulling the O together, he was losing his cool so the OL was losing it, etc.

We all know that DW is little more than a tackle dummy at this point until they feel they can set up SS for some modicum of success. I doubt we’ll be markedly better with SS but we won’t be much worse. We knew these first 2 games were the lemon suckers of the season. They’ll start to get more organized in these next few. I can almost guarantee we’ll look better against the bucs. I won’t say we’ll win, but we should respond positively. And if he/ we don’t, I can’t see them trotting DW out for the home opener.

My take on the game. Yes we looked bad. I didn't think we would win but I didn't think we would look this bad. A new OL and coaches. Pretty much a new WR room. New System on O. New DC. New D system. No Myles but he wouldn't have been playing anyway with his injury. We have TOO MANY moving parts at this point so to speak. It's going to take some time. I believe TM was correct post-game when he said we will get better every week. Oh, and we have DW who I believe is no longer a starting NFL QB. I watched Jaxson Dart last night and it made me sick knowing we could have had him. Without DW and his contract and those 3#1's we gave up we might have had our FQB now.

Fortunately, I had to cook at the VFW yesterday so I didn't get to see the crapfest,but I got constant updates.I have to say they were hilarious.There are 2 guys that I positively can't stand and they have been saying that Monkin is the perfect HC for this team.I agree,he's a blowhard of a coach that fits in well with Haslam and Berry.
You guys will make a hundred excuses,new this,new that,blah blah blah,but at the end of the day it's football.Yes,they were not prepared,but put the blame where it belongs,on the head of the blowhard.

I decided to watch Guardians also.....note, PFF grade out- our TWO ROOKIES on the line were among our best players....WOW. Conceptition had a fumble, knows what real games are like now. Watson, deer in the headlights, I'm for coaching up Green and making him the starter......Sanders holds ball too LOOOONNNGGGG just like Watson. Pray for us, we will need it.....GO Browns!!!

Until Andrew Berry is removed as GM ..this franchise will be the darlings
Of the seller im the North. And there is a GM in waiting in Tom Talserro. Who is a consultant now.
And Ryan Grigson is a candidate .
Andrew Berry continues to get a pass around here .
How's Tyler Shough looking these days ?
Better than any Browns current QB

an example of how things can be skewed easily by stats....
His QB Rating for the game was 97.7 ... that sounds like he had a pretty decent game.
However, remove that lone meaningless TD and his rating drops to a more accurate description of his performance at 69.5

It did look impressive as I stated but I realize it was long after the game was decided and probably against backups. It would have been VERY impressive if he did it in the 1st quarter!

First let me say it's far too early to have some firm opinion on Monken as a whole. It's only been one game. But my comment to this point is simply this.

What most people saw yesterday is not what they expected to see. I'm not saying they were looking for a win. I'm not even saying they were looking for the game to be close.

What I am saying is most people from what I have seen at the very least expected a well disciplined team. Free from all of the sloppy mistakes we have seen in the past. For some reason they seemed to feel that stern looks, tough talk and bravado would change all of that. How someone giving off that impression could suddenly change the culture on a dime. It's what they had been screaming for.

That's not how any of this works. Coaches of all styles have both succeeded and failed. Sometime tough guys fail and players coaches succeed. Sometimes it's the other way around. You're dealing with pro athletes, not children. There is no one size fits all formula for success when it comes to the demeanor of your HC.

Schwartz's D held good teams in check and got bamboozled by a couple of bad offenses last year.

Schwartz is NOT unemployed. He is getting paid by the Browns right now. We didn't let him out of his contract, and a team would have had to give up a draft pick to get him.

I was more disappointed in the defense than I was the offense. My expectations for the O were set extremely low, and even though they failed to meet that low bar, the defense underperforming was more frustrating to watch. Additionally, the comments from Tyson Campbell about running more zone coverage got me really angry. It boggles my mind how supposed pro-level coaches consistently play our talent in ways that minimize strengths and maximize weaknesses.

PFF scores would indicate the rookie WRs and new Olinemen played well. That didn't contradict what I saw, but I also was only able to watch the majority of the first half (son had a baseball game) and I'm in ways an Oline expert. Rookies, 2nd year guys, and Oline looking like they're going to stick is why I'm watching this year. Fano largely gets a pass from me this season. Young man has a tough assignment for a rookie.

I hope Watson gets at least a couple more games. I'd rather he be the one back there while the rest of the offense works to get their proverbial feet under them. It also increases the likelihood of him suffering a season-ending injury and us recouping more salary cap, which is up there for turning around our QB room. No, I don't feel bad for thinking/saying that.

Does anyone know our PFF grades for yesterdays game?

As I'm reading "No, I don't feel bad for thinking/saying that.", I'm thinking, "do we get more insurance money if this happens?" 😁

I saw that Austin Barber was our top OL by a good margin. Gabi was 3rd with a so so grade. I didn’t watch OL, anyone see where the pressure was coming from? Also, the book on Zion was penalties… and he lived up to it.

Totally agree with "...I'm for coaching up Green and making him the starter..."

It does kind of make sense with Green. I doubt he can do any worse than what we've seen.

Hope this addresses your question. This is just part of the article provided in total at the link................

Browns coach Todd Monken hasn't watched tape on Deshaun Watson's disastrous stretch with Cleveland

Monken says he wants to think 'every player we have is elite'

Monken evaluated this quarterback battle with fresh eyes. In fact, the first-year head coach said that he didn't and still hasn't watched any film on Watson from his disastrous stint with Cleveland.

"I really, to be honest, haven't looked at it," Monken said. "To be honest, only from afar. People say, 'Well, you had to look at it.' Well, not really. I looked at it from afar when I was down the road in crossover film or something, but I try to take everything at face value. What I see, right? It doesn't matter what the player is; I think we owe that to our players, guys that are on the roster.

"I want to go into it thinking every player we have is elite. And all they have to do is prove me right. That's all they have to do. They are on an NFL roster, I expect them to play well, and I just want them to prove me right. So I haven't really looked at that. Different staff, different system. We'll let it play out. We'll see where it goes..."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...tsons-disastrous-stretch-with-cleveland/

I think most of us felt that really bad feeling when Watson threw that interception in the first series. That was a definite sign (sighs).

I don't know how much tape Monken watched or how relevant it is to the conversation, tbh.

Watson was rusty in 2022 after his layoff and looked like c.f.s.

Watson showed a few glimpses in 2023 before a shoulder sidelined him. Upon return, the shoulder was reinjured and doctors said it could literally fall apart. Story was he wanted to play but that was a medical impossibility. Also, that year, he developed a pretty strong rapport with Amari Cooper.

His return in 2024 (pre-Achilles disaster) was with a team that had a patchwork line, a regressing defense and Amari Cooper dropping an incredible 30% of his targets. Also, let's not forget no Nick Chubb.


I would say, looking at all of that, tape or no tape, Watson was going to get a fair shot at the starting role. I'd also say, compared to Shedufus, he deserved it. I threw up a little in my mouth typing that, but it's true.

And see, there's Pit with the goods on the tape-watching. Thanks, Pit.

No problem. I just knew the answer to his question and found a source to verify it.