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It's official.......Saddam is dead.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/

Saddam Hussein executed
Deposed Iraqi dictator hanged for deaths of 148 Shiites in 1982
NBC VIDEO


? Saddam hanged
Dec. 29: Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was hanged for the killing, torture and other crimes against the Shiite population of the town of Dujail. MSNBC-TV's Milissa Rehberger and NBC's Jim Maceda report.
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Dec. 29: Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was hanged for the killing, torture and other crimes against the Shiite population of the town of Dujail. MSNBC-TV's Milissa Rehberger and NBC's Jim Maceda report.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Three years after he was hauled from a hole in the ground by pursuing U.S. forces, Saddam Hussein was hanged Saturday under a sentence imposed by an Iraqi court, an Iraqi official told NBC News.

The deposed president was found guilty over the killing of 148 members of the Shiite population of the town of Dujail after militants tried to assassinate him there in 1982, during Iraq?s war with Shiite Iran.

Asked if Saddam were dead, the official in the Iraqi prime minister's office said, ?Yes, the body of Saddam Hussein is in front of me.?

Iraq's Deputy Foreign Minister Labeed Abbawi confirmed the execution to the BBC. Al-Arabiya reported that Saddam's half-brother Barzan al-Tikriti and Awad al-Bander, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, were also executed iin connection with the Dujail killings.

NBC News reported that gunfire, presumably celebratory, could be heard in Baghdad after the executions.

The official witnesses to the execution gathered Friday in Baghdad?s fortified Green Zone in final preparation for the hanging, as state television broadcast footage of his regime?s atrocities.

The Pentagon said U.S. forces, always on high alert in Iraq, were braced for any upsurge in violence from Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam.

A U.S. judge refused late Friday to stop the execution, rejecting a last-minute court challenge by the former Iraqi president.

"Petitioner Hussein's application for immediate, temporary stay of execution is denied," U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said in Washington after a hearing over the telephone with attorneys.

now we will see the affects it has on the people...

Now I can say that CurlyD is gonna take a Saddam Hussaein nap if he post more junk in the shack! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

goodnight, funnyman

Too bad we can't execute that fast! WOO! Bye Bye Saddam!

Too bad for my state, we can't execute at all for now because some guy took a half hour to die. Iraq doesn't waste time or thousands of dollars to house killers for life.

pwn3d

When the books of life are opened this is one case that won't be hard to judge.

They just said there is video and pictures coming. Also that he refused to wear a hood and yelled "God is great" I bet those loyal to him and a lot of the "jihad" fools will step up attacks now <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

That's right, and you'll never meet him. <img src="/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif" alt="" />

Since I wouldn't start a new thread on this...

[color:"white"] Where does everyone view Saddam among the worlds most deadly tyrants? [/color]

Stalin
Hitler
.....

Just curios, as I am sure their are more educated than I on the subject...

I'm no historian myself but Saddam couldn't hold either of those two guys' jock strap.

Stalin, emptied towns and shipped them up to Siberia and dumped them off.

Eh. they're all nuts and I am glad Saddam is dead. I was hoping the guy wouldnt get off on some humanitarian thing and live in exile on the French Rivera doing the occasional talk show, book signing, t-shirts . . .

I remember reading somewhere, I'll have to do some digging, that the Arab nations hated him. Wonder how they will react now?

Somewhere along the lines of Castro, a leader among his own, knocked off some opposition but a puppet to the superpower governments.

This is real nice and all, but I can't help but wish that it was Bin Laden hanging instead. Anybody else feel that way?

I mean, I'm not an Iraqi living in Iraq, so why should I give a [censored]? I'm an American, and my fellow Americans were victims of the most horrifying terrorist attacks on American soil, which were planned by some guy named Osama Bin Laden.

Anybody remember that guy? Probably not, because of all of the Saddam hoopla.

One last question - can someone remind me why our soldiers are even in Iraq? Oh, that's right.....weapons of mass destruction.

Right.

Why couldn't you pick someone that I could actually consider like, James Brown???

To this day though, I still think a lot of people are really misinformed about just how evil of a man that Saddam Hussein was...

Wow. Great post.

Just another piece of crap that'll never do anything to anyone ever again.

Hopefully they toss his carcass out into the desert and leave him there to dry rot.

Hey Christy, I am with you on this one..I thought that the main reason for being in the middle East was to get Bin Laden, I guess we got lost along the way and found the next best thing to a brutal killer. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />..It's a shame though that oh "Binny Boy" couldn't have been swinging out with him too. <img src="/images/graemlins/naughtydevil.gif" alt="" />..Hell is getting a little crowded and Hitler and Stalin have a new room mate......... <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> I guess it's pineapple time......... <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

j/c

He got what he had coming to him. I hope as he spends eternity in hell, he can learn the true meaning of all the pain he caused his people.

Now, let's go get Bin Laden!!!!

The bad part about all of this is that Bin Laden should have been dealt with FIRST and foremost...Iraq was a "Briar Patch" that all of the world saw except us! I would have gone after the murderer who killed thousands of people (Americans) on our soil and would have been relentless in my pursuit of him til the end of time, kind of like how the hunt for the SS, Japanese and other war criminals was being done conducted......JMHO

Rot in hell, you sick [censored]!

Congrats to all the brave men and women over there that have made sacrifices so the world can be a better place.

what is it with them always wearing ski masks?

I would guess so that the executioners could hide their identity so they don't get attacked by those who want to protest the execution...

It's very simple actually...we are in Iraq to fight the terrorists there instead of here and because Iran is a huge problem.

I do not understand why people get so focused on WMDs and "Why did we go into Iraq in the first place?"...darn near EVERY politician in this country agreed that Iraq was a threat and Saddam had to be ousted. Like them or not, these politicians have a lot more inside info than we ever will. It is a done deal...has been since BEFORE WE WENT THERE.

Iran has stated crazy stuff like: There was no holocaust...Israel should be / will be wiped off the face of the earth...The U.S. and G.B. will vanish along with Israel...blah, blah, blah.

Let's see...a lunatic dictator about to acquire nuclear weapons spouts off about the U.S. and it's top two allies VANISHING from the face of the earth. Hmmm...could be a problem. And we are right in his back yard.

Someday people will realize that there has been a religious war waging against the U.S. for decades. The radicals believe that if you are not radical-Muslim, you do not deserve to live. Read that again. BTW, that includes those who do not believe in ANY religion.

Maybe Saddam was a convenient excuse to gain a foothold smack in the middle of the problematic mid-east. I don't care. If you ask me, it was a stoke of genius because we have to feed the media some reason to be there...so we did it.

Osama bin Laden a threat? Not if he can't get out of the cave. Saddam a threat? As long as he was running Iraq, absolutely. That crazy [censored] running Iran a threat? Oh yea.

Someday we will look back on the decision to invade Iraq (and stick around) and thank god we did so...and you will still be able to thank any god that you wish...or no god at all...without fear of imprisonment or death to you or your family.

I hate when a U.S. soldier dies and I wish we could bring them home...just like in any war or conflict. But we NEED them to be there. If we send them home, we are still mostly non-Muslim and will remain a target...the crazies killed a lot of Muslims on 9/11 and figured it as collateral damage.

We are at war with a formidable enemy who wants us to die if we do not believe and do as they do. What are our options? Negotiate? Uh...no. Ignore it and hope it goes away? Tried that for two decades...didn't work. Beat them to the punch? I think so.

I do not understand why the media won't just say it like it is. It is a religious war that the other side has been fighting against us for a long time...we now have no choice but to fight back or join them.

At the end of the day, it is as simple as that.

i don't want to get into a politcal debate, especially on the internet...

but this execution was justified, and it was carried out by his own people, we just lent a hand the entire way...

saddam hussein killed a lot more than the 148, or however many people he was convicted of... he's responsible for the killing of 150,000+ kurds...

people can say what they want about us being there, but this execution was justified, and was long overdue...

If we could rate posts, that would receive the highest rating possible. We went after Bin Laden and next thing you know, we use Bin Laden's attacks as an excuse to go after Saddam. To this day, we hear more about Iraq than Afghanistan. I know people who signed up for the military hoping to go to Afghanistan to get revenge for family members who were affected only to get shipped off to Iraq instead.

Is it me, or does our media want more violence over this so they have something to report?

2,996

Here or there? You seem to be choosing here.

The bad guys aren't going to just go away.

I'm not happy at 1...but 2,996 or more is not a reason to pull out.

Actually, that's not what happened, but carry on.



There are two reasons for this:

1.) Things are going fairly well in Afghanistan. You still have your terrorists over there, but we have gained significant ground. You won't hear good news from the media with President Bush still in office.

2.) The majority of the enemy have gone to Iraq to fight us. That's a GOOD thing. If they are close enough for them to kill us, we will be close enough to kill them. That's one of the many reasons we are over there.



If that is the case, then the people you know have no common sense. Everyone knows, especially people who are going to join the military, that you don't get to choose where you serve. You serve and you go where they tell you to go.

I almost joined after 9/11. I had an "ex" marine tell we to wait too weeks because I should not join based on emotion. That I would regret it. Thank God I listened to him because I would have.

I can't stand people who join the military for the wrong reasons and then cry and moan because they actually have to do their job that they signed up for.

Can we film the operation...

is the head dead yet ?
ya know the boys in the news room have a running bet.

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You can bet your ass they are sensationalizing the hell out of it hoping that more stuff happens so they can air footage 24/7....

Our administration (which I long supported in this operation) has totally botched things up and we continue to have body bags shipped home filled with young American kids each and every day. It's going to be nothing more than another Vietnam and it's senseless as hell.

The media was hoping for a mad dash for the door

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/30/hussein/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Defiant to the end, Saddam Hussein mocked Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr moments before he was hanged, a witness said Saturday.

The Iraqi government executed Hussein before dawn as punishment for his role in a massacre of his own people, more than two decades before he was toppled by a U.S.-led invasion.

A video of the execution broadcast on Al-Iraqiya state television showed Hussein, dressed in a black overcoat, being led into a room by three masked guards. (Watch noose placed around Hussein's neck -- graphic content, viewer discretion advised Video)

A witness, Iraqi Judge Munir Haddad, said that one of the executioners told Hussein that the former dictator had destroyed Iraq, which sparked an argument that was joined by several government officials in the room.

As a noose was tightened around Hussein's neck, one of the executioners yelled "long live Muqtada al-Sadr," Haddad said, referring to the powerful anti-American Shiite religious leader.

Hussein, a Sunni, mockingly uttered one last phrase before he died: "Muqtada al-Sadr," according to Haddad's account.

The judge said Hussein appeared "totally oblivious to what was going on around him. I was very surprised. He was not afraid of death."

But Haddad's description of Hussein's demeanor before his execution contrasts markedly with another witness, Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie. "He was a broken man," al-Rubaie said. "He was afraid. You could see fear in his face." (Watch al-Rubaie describe Hussein's final moments Video)

The former dictator refused to wear a hood as he was hanged, al-Rubaie said.

Hussein's death came in "a blink of the eye" after his executioner activated the gallows just after 6 a.m. (10 p.m. Friday ET), said al-Rubaie.

"This dark page has been turned over," al-Rubaie said. "Saddam is gone. Today Iraq is an Iraq for all the Iraqis, and all the Iraqis are looking forward. ... The [Hussein] era has gone forever."

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, who didn't attend the execution, used it as an opportunity to plead for national unity to ward off deadly sectarian violence which is straining Iraq's fledgling government.

"In the name of the people I call on all men of the past regime and manipulated by it to reconsider their stances," al-Maliki said in a written statement released after the execution.

"The door is still open for every person who does not have blood of innocents on his hands to join in rebuilding of Iraq, which will be for all Iraqis without exceptions or discrimination." (Watch what Hussein's death could mean in Iraq Video)

Deadly car bombs Saturday struck a mainly Shiite neighborhood in Baghdad and the southern Shiite town of Kufa, officials said. (Full story)

Word of Hussein's execution was followed by Iraqi street celebrations. (Full story)
Burial place undecided

Hussein, 69, will be buried somewhere in Iraq "in the next few hours," although talks are still under way to decide where, al-Rubaie said.

"We will wash him, wrap him, put him in an Islamic coffin, someone from the Islamic community will read a death prayer over him and he will be buried with old Islamic rituals," he said.

The Shiite Iraqi channel Biladi TV broadcast video of what appeared to be Hussein's body wrapped in a white shroud with only his head exposed. (Watch as Hussein's body lies in a shroud -- graphic content, viewer discretion advised Video)

Al-Rubaie said that while the execution was carried out with due respect to Hussein -- and following "all international and Islamic standards" -- some witnesses and the executioner could not resist celebrating by dancing around the body after the hanging.

"It's a very ordinary action of a number of people -- some of them officials, some of them ordinary people, even the executioner as well because they have lost their loved ones -- their fathers, brothers, sisters -- this is a natural reaction," he said.

"I would like to make this day a day of unity of Iraqis," al-Rubaie said. "We need to forgive, forget the past now and look forward and progress toward stability, security and prosperity of Iraq."

The execution took place outside the heavily fortified U.S. Green Zone, al-Rubaie said, and no Americans were present.

"It was an Iraqi operation from A to Z," he said. "The Americans were not present during the hour of the execution. They weren't even in the building."

He added that "there were no Shiite or Sunni clerics present, only the witnesses and those who carried out the actual execution were present."

On Al-Arabiya television, al-Rubaie said the execution took place at the 5th Division intelligence office in Qadhimiya.

In the United States, Iraqi-Americans celebrated in the street in Dearborn, Michigan, home to the nation's largest concentration of Iraqis. (Watch Iraqi-Americans dancing, kissing and singing in the streets Video)
Bush: Hussein received fair trial

White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel said President Bush was asleep when the execution took place and was not awakened. The president had been briefed by national security adviser Stephen Hadley before retiring and was aware the hanging was imminent, Stanzel said.

The White House issued a statement praising the Iraqi people for giving Hussein a fair trial.

"Fair trials were unimaginable under Saddam Hussein's tyrannical rule," Bush's statement read. "It is a testament to the Iraqi people's resolve to move forward after decades of oppression that, despite his terrible crimes against his own people, Saddam Hussein received a fair trial." (Full story)

Hussein was hanged for his role in the 1982 Dujail massacre, in which 148 Iraqis were killed after a failed assassination attempt against the then-Iraqi president. (Watch what happened in Dujail Video)

Two other co-defendants -- Barzan Hassan, Hussein's half-brother, and Awad Bandar, the former chief judge of the Revolutionary Court -- were also found guilty and had been expected to face execution with Hussein, but al-Rubaie said their executions were postponed "because we wanted to have this day to have an historic distinction."

CNN's Aneesh Raman, Arwa Damon, Ryan Chilcote, Sam Dagher, Jomana Karadsheh and Ed Henry contributed to this report.

The other war
McClatchy-Tribune News Service

(MCT)

The following editorial appeared in the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday, Dec. 23:

X X X

President George W. Bush and his top advisers have been focused in recent weeks on finding "a new way forward" in Iraq. But the Bush administration would be courting disaster by not also turning more attention to the other chain saw the United States and its allies are juggling - the war in Afghanistan.

Some respected national-security analysts are now warning that the United States and other NATO members fighting in Afghanistan are at risk of losing to the Taliban, al-Qaeda and other Islamist forces. The presence of these forces in the country is growing like a cancer.

The past year in Afghanistan has seen sharp increases in attacks on U.S. and other NATO troops, as well as on the fledgling Afghan government's forces and officials. Suicide and roadside bombings have skyrocketed. Violence has waned during the winter, but NATO is bracing for a surge when spring comes.

To help turn the military tide, more troops are needed from NATO countries besides just the United States, which already is supplying half. There have been enough NATO troops in most cases to defeat anti-government fighters in direct skirmishes, but often not enough to remain afterward to prevent militants there from regrouping. And the NATO countries that place restrictions on their troops' full participation in combat operations need to lift them.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/16333840.htm

Are you Tatoo from Fantsy Island?
<img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

It's nice to hear a voice of reason on the subject. It's not so much war itself,but more the innept and boneheaded way it has been handled.

Come on now, I can't let you off the hook that easy. <img src="/images/graemlins/naughtydevil.gif" alt="" /> James Brown wasn't exactly a Role Model either...Drug addict, wife beating, ex-con...

and I agree, no know except Saddam and God really know how many peoples deaths he is responsible for.