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Trump Jr.’s Private Bahamas Wedding Was Financed By A Russian Oligarch Close To Putin: ProPublica Nina Golgowski Mon, September 14, 2026 at 9:02 AM EDT
Umar Kremlev, a Russian oligarch close to President Vladimir Putin, paid hundreds of thousands of dollars toward the recent wedding of President Donald Trump's son Don Jr. in the Bahamas, ProPublica reported Monday, citing a review of records and interviews with people familiar with the private islands event.
Kremlev, who speaks limited English and had been traveling with Putin in China days before the May nuptials, was described as "a personal friend of Don," a Trump Jr. spokesperson told ProPublica, though the report says the pair appeared to have met only recently.
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Only around 50 guests attended, according to the report. Trump Jr. described it as a small gathering of "really close friends."
Over three days, they rented out two islands, one of which Kremlev paid for, and enjoyed fireworks shot off a boat, also paid for by Kremlev, according to the report.
Why Kremlev footed part of the wedding's bill wasn't established.
Donald Trump Jr.’s Bahamas Wedding Was Secretly Bankrolled By Russian Oligarch Close To Putin
The oligarch, Umar Kremlev, appears to have met Trump Jr. only recently, but he attended the intimate wedding with a large group of other Russian guests.
Justin Elliott, Brett Murphy, Joshua Kaplan and Alex Mierjeski — ProPublica Sep 14, 2026, 09:33 AM EDT
On May 24, Donald Trump Jr. was celebrating in the Bahamas, as scantily clad dancers in stilettos and sailor caps performed for him and his guests. It was the last night of his wedding, a lavish, three-day party held across a pair of ultra-exclusive private islands. A five-tier funfetti cake had been airlifted in from Florida, and helicopters and seaplanes descended on the islands before guests settled into their oceanfront villas. That night on the beach, Trump Jr. lifted his bride into the air while fireworks launched from a barge over the sea.
“It was everything we dreamed of and more,” his wife later wrote on Instagram.
That dream was heavily funded by a secret benefactor: Umar Kremlev, a Russian oligarch close to President Vladimir Putin.
Kremlev footed the bill for hundreds of thousands of dollars of wedding expenses, according to records reviewed by ProPublica and interviews with three people familiar with the event. The oligarch paid to rent out one of the private islands, where a reception was held and where guests slept. He also covered other big-ticket items, like the fireworks show, and his team helped plan the event. Kremlev is the head of the International Boxing Association, a scandal-plagued sports group that has been financed by the Russian state-owned energy giant Gazprom. The wedding payments came from an IBA-affiliated entity in Dubai that the boxing association uses for financial transactions.
The guest list numbered around 50. It included Trump Jr.’s brother-in-law Jared Kushner, Eric Trump — and Kremlev, an imposing man with a shaved head who speaks limited English. The oligarch was part of a large group whose presence puzzled other attendees. They sometimes stood off by themselves, speaking Russian.
“It was really small, like, just really close friends,” Trump Jr. later said on his podcast. “Tried to keep it really tight. And it was just awesome.”
Kremlev’s previously unreported relationship with Trump Jr. represents an extraordinary development: a member of Putin’s circle financially supporting the president’s son and gaining intimate access to the Trump family. For a decade, Putin’s government, regarded as a chief adversary of the U.S., has been accused of efforts to influence American elections. Attempts by Russia to make inroads with the Trumps before the 2016 election exploded into controversy that dogged much of the president’s first term.
National security experts expressed alarm at Trump Jr. accepting the oligarch’s largesse, saying it raised an urgent question: What motivated Kremlev to spend a fortune cultivating the connection?
“If I’m paying for your wedding, at some point, you’re going to owe me something,” said Frank Montoya Jr., a retired career FBI official who held senior counterintelligence roles. Oligarchs like Kremlev often act in coordination with the Russian government. While it’s unclear if that happened here, Trump Jr. put himself in a precarious position, Montoya said. “This should be unthinkable for the son of the president. End of story.”
Holden Triplett, who served as Trump’s counterintelligence director on the National Security Council during his first term, said Russian intelligence frequently seeks to build ties with U.S. government officials and their family members. “Money is a tried-and-true method to gain access,” said Triplett, who also worked for the FBI in Moscow.
In the days leading up to Trump Jr.’s wedding, Kremlev was in China as part of the delegation accompanying Putin, according to Chinese state media. The month before, Putin had bestowed him with a state honor, the Order of Friendship. The Ukrainian government has imposed sanctions on Kremlev personally, citing his closeness to Putin and Russian security services.
It’s not clear why Kremlev helped pay for Trump Jr.’s wedding. The men appear to have met only recently. Public reporting suggests Trump Jr. could have afforded it himself, with Forbes recently estimating his net worth at roughly $300 million.
In response to detailed questions, a spokesperson for Trump Jr. did not dispute the wedding payments from Kremlev. “Umar is a personal friend of Don,” he said. The spokesman said that Kremlev is “not someone he has a business relationship with” and that the men met through a mutual friend in the hunting world and bonded over their love of boxing and the outdoors.
A spokesperson for Trump Jr.’s brother Eric said of Kremlev: “Eric has absolutely no clue who this person is, nor has never heard his name.”
In a statement, Kremlev’s press office said, “Mr. Kremlev and Mr. Trump Jr have a friendly relationship” and they first met “a couple of years ago.”
The press office described Kremlev as a businessman and philanthropist, adding, “Mr. Kremlev has never discussed political matters with any of his American friends and acquaintances,” including Trump Jr. They said the boxing organization itself did not incur expenses for the wedding but did not comment on the payments from the Dubai entity. The press office also said that when Putin and Kremlev were in China recently, Kremlev was not part of Putin’s “official delegation.”
Kushner, who has been helping lead the U.S. government’s negotiations with Russia over Ukraine, did not respond to requests for comment. The White House and the Russian government did not respond either.
The revelations come as Trump Jr. has emerged as a political power center in his own right. Beloved by the MAGA base, he reportedly played an active role in vetting White House cabinet picks for Trump’s second term and was dubbed his father’s “most essential political adviser” by The Wall Street Journal. “I certainly don’t think I’d be sitting here as the VP nominee without Don’s help,” Vice President JD Vance told the outlet in late 2024.
This account is based on records and interviews with dozens of current and former IBA officials and contractors, wedding attendees and other people in Trump Jr.’s and Kremlev’s circles.
Trump Jr. exchanged vows with socialite Bettina Anderson on a private island that was featured in “Pirates of the Caribbean” and the 2006 James Bond movie “Casino Royale.” They had their first dance on a second private island nearby that can rent for around $100,000 a night, paid for by Kremlev. The company that put on the fireworks display charges around $70,000 for such shows. (Kremlev did not attend the ceremony itself, which was held on the first day and had just 18 guests, Trump Jr.’s spokesperson said.)
The atmosphere was Monte Carlo meets frat party — helicopters in and out, a beachside DJ set, beer pong tournaments. One day, the men went spearfishing. Artisans at the London fashion house Safiyaa spent 150 hours embroidering Anderson’s bespoke silk reception outfit. The president’s son had undergone treatment to better define his jawline for the occasion.
Some longtime friends of Trump Jr. told associates they were disappointed not to be invited, though a few of his closest business partners — executives at the Trump family crypto company, World Liberty Financial, and the venture capital firm 1789 Capital — did make the cut. President Trump himself skipped it. (“He’d like me to go, but it’s going to be just a small, little private affair,” the president told reporters beforehand. “I said, you know, this is not good timing for me.”) But many of the guests were immediate family of the bride and groom.
That made the large contingent of Russians all the more conspicuous. “What are they doing here?” one person recalled thinking. At least one of the Russian guests had been with Kremlev on his China trip: Alexander Lagutin, a businessperson who has served in senior roles at a Russian defense contractor and a state-backed energy company. Kremlev’s right hand at the IBA, Elena Sobol, attended the wedding too.
Since the wedding, the Trumps have released scores of photos and videos of the festivities. While they show many of the guests, the Russians have been absent from all of them. (The top of Kremlev’s head is visible in the back of one group photo posted on Instagram by a friend of the bride.) After the party was over, on his “Triggered” podcast, Trump Jr. emphasized the event’s privacy: “The people that were there — if you’re on that list, you weren’t talking.”
In 2009, Umar Kremlev did not yet exist.
He was in his late 20s, with a criminal record for extortion and battery, still going by his birth name, Umar Lutfulloyev, according to the Russian independent news outlet Proekt. But he was about to rapidly ascend in Russia to a position of wealth and influence, with the help of a powerful friend. (“Mr. Kremlev has a completely clean legal record,” his press office said.)
In 2010, he changed his name to Kremlev. He soon joined a Russian government-backed biker gang called the Night Wolves, eventually taking a leadership role, according to news reports. That is what first brought him close to Alexei Rubezhnoi, who now leads Putin’s presidential security service, Proekt reported. In 2017, Kremlev took over the Russian Boxing Federation, after Rubezhnoi personally intervened to put him at the helm.
In 2020, Kremlev became president of the IBA. The association was something akin to FIFA but for boxing and had long overseen the sport in the Olympics. But it had been beset by corruption allegations and was on the brink of insolvency. Kremlev brought money to the table from Gazprom, the state-owned company that operates as an arm of Putin’s government. Gazprom publicly became the IBA’s financial backer, filling its coffers with tens of millions of dollars.
Former high-level IBA officials said that Kremlev had a clear political agenda. “Umar is guided by Putin. It was using the sport for soft political power,” a former IBA board member told ProPublica. “It’s geopolitics. That it’s boxing is just happenstance.” Kremlev, 43, is also heavily involved in an organization called Healthy Fatherland, run by his 23-year-old wife’s twin sister. The group — which promotes healthy eating and youth sports — is under Ukrainian sanctions for its alleged role in a program of abducting Ukrainian children from occupied territories and relocating them under the guise of “rehabilitation.” (Healthy Fatherland did not respond to a request for comment.)
Kremlev’s cozy relationship with the government has made him rich. Putin used the levers of the state to make Kremlev a dominant player in the Russian sports betting industry, according to Proekt, and one of his companies was chosen to operate the national lottery. After Putin nationalized Russia’s largest car dealership company in 2023, Kremlev became the owner of that too.
He now flaunts that wealth through his boisterous public persona. In one video Kremlev posted on social media, he surprises a young mother by giving her a free car. In another, he criticizes his young female aide’s outfit as not feminine enough and makes her change. He shadowboxes with ostriches and brings in celebrities like Rick Ross and Naomi Campbell for IBA events; he praises Stalin and rides private jets.
Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the U.S. began to indict Russian oligarchs and seize yachts and other assets. Kremlev repeatedly told associates he was worried about being targeted by a U.S. government probe, according to a person close to IBA leadership. “He was very afraid of American sanctions,” the person added. (Kremlev does not appear on public U.S. sanction lists.)
With the business environment in Europe growing more hostile to Russia, Kremlev moved much of the IBA’s operations from Switzerland to the United Arab Emirates. A new Dubai entity, IB Challenger, would later pay wedding expenses for Trump Jr. The current sources of the IBA’s funds are murky, and, in recent years, top executives have given conflicting accounts of the status of its relationship with Gazprom. (Kremlev’s press office told ProPublica the IBA’s sponsorship contract with Gazprom “expired long ago.”) People close to the organization said they understood that its money still comes from Russia.
In 2023, the International Olympic Committee stripped Kremlev’s IBA of its role organizing Olympic boxing. It has cited a host of governance issues and the group’s refusal to “transparently explain the sources of its financing or to explain its full financial dependency, at the time, on a single state-owned company.”
It was a major setback that deprived the IBA of a key source of its international influence. Kremlev has raged against the Olympic committee ever since and has said that his IBA predecessor, who he blames for the problems, “must be shot.”
Kremlev saw a potential ally in President Trump. After Trump’s second inauguration, in January 2025, Kremlev sent an open letter to the president asking him to look into the Olympic committee’s actions in advance of the 2028 Los Angeles Games. “We look forward with great optimism to the possibility of working together to make the Olympic movement great again,” he wrote. In September 2025, the IBA brought in Trump Jr. for a panel discussion in Istanbul about boxing. With his then-girlfriend, Anderson, sitting offstage, he criticized transgender women competing in women’s sports and reminisced about watching Saturday night fights as a child. Trump Jr. shared the stage with Kremlev, the boxer Manny Pacquiao and Muhammad Ali’s daughter Rasheda. (Trump Jr.’s spokesperson said he was not paid for the appearance and was already in Turkey for an unrelated event.)
The president’s son had reason to be attuned to the sensitivity of cozying up with a Putin associate, especially while his father navigates the Russia-Ukraine war. Trump Jr.’s June 2016 meeting with a Russian attorney in Trump Tower became a major focus of the Robert Mueller investigation.
The Trump Tower meeting was arranged after an email offering Trump Jr. damaging information about Hillary Clinton as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Trump Jr. famously responded, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” Trump Jr. later dismissed the matter as a “witch hunt,” and the Mueller report concluded that there was not enough evidence to convict him of a crime.
Recently, Kremlev has been working to expand into the U.S. market. In July, his group hosted a bare-knuckle boxing event in Miami, a chance to showcase a particularly bloody form of the sport in which contenders fight without gloves. But the debut was overshadowed when manosphere influencer Andrew Tate, who the IBA had brought in to host, was arrested by U.S. Marshals outside the arena. (Tate is facing rape and sex trafficking charges in the United Kingdom, which he has denied.)
Much about Kremlev’s relationship with Trump Jr., and where it is headed, remains unknown. In a press release after the Istanbul panel, the IBA hinted there was more to come.
“President Kremlev and Donald Trump Jr made it clear – this alliance will not remain symbolic,” the press release read. “More joint initiatives will follow.”
This web of corruption makes Watergate look like a childhood prank...
The Bidens’ Influence Peddling Timeline (Payments to the crime syndicate's web of shell companies in green)
2013 November 1, 2013 China – BHR Hunter Biden, business associate, and Chinese investors agree to create Bohai Harvest RST Equity Investment Fund Management Co., Ltd. (BHR), an investment fund controlled by the Bank of China, to focus on mergers and acquisitions, and investment in and reforms of state-owned enterprise.
December 4, 2013 China – BHR Vice President Biden travels with Hunter Biden on Air Force 2 to China and meets CEO of BHR, Jonathan Li. Shortly thereafter, BHR’s business license was approved and Hunter Biden was a board member.
February 5, 2014 Kazakhstan Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani businessman, meets with Hunter Biden at a hotel in Washington, D.C.
April 15, 2014 Ukraine Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, appoints Biden business associate to their board of directors.
April 22, 2014 Kazakhstan Kenes Rakishev’s Singaporean company wires $142,300 through his Latvian company to a Rosemont entity.
April 22, 2014 Ukraine Vice President Biden travels to Ukraine and gives an anti-corruption speech.
April 23, 2014 Kazakhstan The Rosemont entity wires $142,300 to a car dealership in New Jersey for a new sports car for Hunter Biden.
May 12, 2014 Ukraine
BIDEN TWEET: VP Biden (Archived) @VP44 Wheels up DC. Next stop → Romania
Burisma announces Hunter Biden joined its board of directors.
May 21, 2014 Romania Vice President Biden visits Romania and delivers a speech to the Romanian Prime Minister, judges, prosecutors, and leaders of the Romanian Parliament.
September 12, 2014 China – BHR BHR invests $1.7 billion in CCP-linked petroleum and chemical company.
December 9, 2014 China – BHR Hunter Biden and business associate invest $484,920 into BHR.
December 22, 2014 Kazakhstan Kenes Rakishev’s Kazakhstani oil company and Burisma join with a CCP-linked company and announce a transnational financial arrangement.
March 20, 2015 Ukraine Hunter Biden organizes a business dinner at Café Milano in Washington, D.C. where he has his father to stop by the dinner to meet a high level Burisma official, Vadym Pozharskyi.
September 1, 2015 China – BHR BHR joins with a CCP-linked entity to acquire US-based Henniges Automotive in a deal reportedly worth $600 million.
September 28, 2015 Romania Vice President Biden welcomes Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. A readout of the meeting states, the “Vice President welcomed President Iohannis’ focus on anti-corruption efforts and rule of law as a means to strengthen national security and promote greater investment and economic growth.” President Iohannis said the Vice President “voiced satisfaction over Romania’s progress with the fight against corruption.”
November 2, 2015 Ukraine Vadym Pozharskyi suggests high level U.S. level officials come to Ukraine and talk with Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin and President Petro Poroshenko about Mykola Zlochevsky’s investigations. Prosecutor General Shokin was investigating Burisma and Burisma’s owner, Zlochevsky for fraud. Prosecutor General Shokin is the Ukranian government official Vice President Biden demanded Poroshenko fire.
November 5, 2015 Romania Romanian businessman, Gabriel Popoviciu, begins making deposits into Robinson Walker, LLC’s bank account. Robinson Walker, LLC is an entity owned by a Biden associate, Rob Walker. Popoviciu’s company sent Robinson Walker the first wire for $179,836.86. From November 2015 to May 2017, Popoviciu’s company paid Robinson Walker, LLC over $3 million. Biden family accounts received approximately $1.038 million from the Robinson Walker, LLC account after Popoviciu’s deposits. Sixteen of the seventeen payments from Popoviciu’s company to Robinson Walker, LLC were made while Joe Biden was Vice President.
November 6, 2015 Ukraine Amos Hochstein, a high level U.S. government official working in the Obama-Biden Administration, meets with Hunter Biden and discusses Burisma.
November 11, 2015 Romania Rob Walker’s account wires Hunter Biden $59,900.
November 11, 2015 Ukraine Amos Hochstein meets with Vice President Biden in the West Wing.
November 12, 2015 Ukraine Amos Hochstein calls Hunter Biden.
November 13, 2015 Romania Hunter Biden travels to Romania to meet with the U.S. Ambassador to Romania.
November 13, 2015 Ukraine Vice President Biden announces trip to Ukraine to take place the first week of December 2015.
November 14, 2015 Ukraine Vadym Pozharskyi emails Hunter Biden confirmation that the Vice President will be traveling to Ukraine.
December 7, 2015 China – CEFC Hunter Biden and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming begin communicating regarding a possible U.S. partnership.
December 7, 2015 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $59,725.
December 7, 2015 Vice President Biden arrives in Ukraine, where he demands Prosecutor General Shokin be fired if Ukraine wants $1 billion in International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans.
December 9, 2015 Ukraine Vice President Biden departs Ukraine and gets a commitment from President Poroshenko that Prosecutor General Shokin will be fired.
December 17, 2015 Ukraine Vice President Biden hosts a holiday party at the Vice Presidential residence, which Amos Hochstein and Hunter Biden both attend.
December 23, 2015 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $60,091.24.
January 20, 2016 Ukraine Vice President Biden meets with President Poroshenko in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum where Biden reinforced the linkage between the loan guarantee and the necessary reforms.
February 11, 2016 Ukraine Vice President Biden and President Poroshenko conduct a call.
February 12, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden’s Owasco P.C. $61,126.24.
February 16, 2016 Ukraine President Poroshenko asks Prosecutor General Shokin to resign.
February 18, 2016 Ukraine Vice President Biden calls President Poroshenko to thank him for calling on Prosecutor General Shokin to resign.
February 19, 2016 Ukraine President Poroshenko says he recieved Prosecutor General Shokin’s letter of resignation.
March 24, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $61,816.05.
March 29, 2016 Romania Hunter Biden meets again with U.S. Ambassador to Romania.
March 29, 2016 Ukraine Ukranian Parliament approves President Poroshenko’s firing of Prosecutor General Shokin.
May 23, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $123,830.80.
May 23, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $53,419.74.
July 11, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $116,860.93.
August 31, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $20,000.00.
September 22, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $32,092.81.
September 29, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $20,000.00.
October 11, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $41,638.12.
November 1, 2016 China – BHR BHR agrees to purchase Lundin Mining Corp’s minority stake in African cobalt/copper mine Tenke Fungurume Mining S.A. for $1.14 billion.
November 15, 2016 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $122,179.
January 1, 2017 China – BHR BHR invests $460 million in a Chinese facial recognition company.
January 20, 2017 Important Date Obama-Biden Administration ends.
February 2, 2017 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires unspecified Biden account $20,000.
February 10, 2017 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires unspecified Biden account $20,000.
February 13, 2017 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hallie Biden $10,000.
February 16, 2017 China – CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming gives Hunter Biden a diamond worth $80,000 after having dinner together in Miami, Florida.
February 16, 2017 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires unspecified Biden account $20,000.
February 27, 2017 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $14,000.
March 1, 2017 China – CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming’s company wires $3 million to Robinson Walker LLC. Robinson Walker, LLC is an entity owned by a Biden associate, Rob Walker.
March 6, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $5,000.
March 13, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $25,000.
March 20, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires Hallie Biden $25,000.
March 27, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires Hunter Biden’s Owasco P.C. $50,000.
March 29, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires an account associated with Hunter Biden $100,000.
March 31, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires Owasco P.C. $50,000.
March 31, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires Owasco P.C. $100,000.
April 3, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires James Biden’s JBBSR INC $50,000.
April 3, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $50,000.
April 14, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires an company associated with Hunter Biden $10,692.
April 18, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires Owasco P.C. $300,000.
April 20, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $120,000.
April 21, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $25,000.
April 24, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $125,000.
May 1, 2017 China- CEFC In May, Joe Biden attends a CEFC meeting at the Four Seasons in D.C, according to a Biden family associate.
May 13, 2017 China – CEFC Email between Biden business associates about the ownership of the CEFC deal, mentioning “10 held by H for the big guy?”
May 17, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $15,000.
May 18, 2017 China – CEFC Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $15,000.
June 2, 2017 Romania Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $61,726.87.
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July 30, 2017 China – CEFC In a WhatsApp message to a Chinese company, Hunter Biden states, “Please have the director call me – not James or Tony or Jim – have him call me tonight. I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. I am very concerned that the Chairman has either changed his mind and broken our deal without telling me or that he is unaware of the promises and assurances that have been made have not been kept. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand. And now means tonight. And Z if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you Zhang or the Chairman I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. All too often people mistake kindness for weakness – and all too often I am standing over top of them saying I warned you. From this moment until whenever he reaches me.”
Hunter Biden goes on to say, “Ok my friend – I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father. I sure hope whatever it is you are doing is very very very important.”
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August 2, 2017 China – CEFC Arrangement between CEFC and Biden family changes as original Biden associates are removed. Hunter Biden writes “The chairman changed that deal after we me[t] in MIAMI TO A MUCH MORE LASTING AND LUCRATIVE ARRANGEMENT to create a holding company 50% percent [sic] owned by ME and 50% owned by him. Consulting fees is one piece of our income stream but the reason this proposal by the chairman was so much more interesting to me and my family is that we would also be partners inn [sic] the equity and profits of the JV’s investments.”
August 2, 2017 China – CEFC The joint entity, Hudson West III, LLC is formed, with 50 percent owned by CEFC agent Gongwen Dong and 50 percent owned by Hunter Biden.
August 3, 2017 China – CEFC In a Whatsapp exchange, Hunter Biden tells CEFC associate Gongwen “Kevin” Dong, “The Biden’s are the best I know at doing exactly what the Chairman wants from this [partnership].” Gongwen Dong is a business associate of Chairman Ye Jianming who executed numerous transactions on the Ye’s behalf.
August 4, 2017 China – CEFC CEFC wires $100,000 to Hunter Biden’s company, Owasco PC.
August 8, 2017 China – CEFC CEFC wires $5 million to Hudson West III.
September 21, 2017 China – CEFC Hunter Biden requests keys made at his office shared with his Chinese partners: “Joe Biden Jill Biden Jim Biden Gongwen Dong (Chairman Ye CEFC emissary)”; and to adjust his business signage listing The Biden Foundation and Hudson West (CEFC US) on the sign.
November 8, 2017 China – CEFC Patrick Ho, a CEFC agent in America, arrested at JFK airport on suspicion of bribery and money laundering on behalf of CEFC China.
2018 February 13, 2018 Kazakhstan The U.S. Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) issues a notice accusing Rakishev’s Latvian company of money laundering.
March 1, 2018 China – CEFC Ye Jianming detained by Chinese authorities for “suspected economic crimes.” His whereabouts remain unknown.
March 23, 2018 China – CEFC Hudson West III LLC and CEFC begin to dissolve.
December 5, 2018 China – CEFC Patrick Ho is convicted for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act in a multinational bribery scheme and money laundering offenses.
March 19, 2019 China – CEFC Patrick Ho was sentenced to three years after he was found to have bribed officials in Africa in pursuit of oil deals to benefit CEFC China, as well as laundering money through various international accounts to perpetuate these business dealings.
April 25, 2019 Important Date Joe Biden announces his presidential campaign.
September 21, 2019 Important Date Joe Biden responds to reporters in Iowa inquiring about his relationship to Hunter Biden’s foreign business ventures: “I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.” (PROVEN LIE)
October 13, 2019 Important Date “Hunter neither played a role in the formation or licensure of [BHR], nor owned any equity in it while his father was Vice President. He served only as a member of its board of directors, which he joined based on his interest in seeking ways to bring Chinese capital to international markets. It was an unpaid position. . . . To date, Hunter has not received any compensation for being on BHR’s board of directors. He has not received any return on his investment; there have been no distributions to BHR shareholders since Hunter obtained his equity interest. Moreover, Hunter played no role in directing or making BHR’s investments. Hunter intends to resign from the BHR board of directors on or by October 31, 2019.” – spokesman for Hunter Biden (BLATENT LIES)
December 8, 2019 Important Date “I don’t know what he was doing,” Joe Biden said of his son’s work for Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, in an interview. “I know he was on the board. I found out he was on the board after he was on the board, and that was it.” (LIAR)
June 13, 2020 Ukraine Ukranian law enforcement announces $6M bribery scheme by Mykola Zlochevsky in order to end probe into the Burisma founder.
June 30, 2020 Important Date FBI FD-1023 form is created. An FD-1023 form is generated by the FBI to memorialize information obtained from a confidential human source. This confidential human source told the FBI that an oligarch had told the CHS he had bribed then-Vice President Biden $5 million (and $5 million for his son, Hunter Biden) in exchange for certain actions related to Ukraine.
October 22, 2020 Important Date During an October presidential debate, Joe Biden responds to a question about election security: “I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life.” 🤣 (LIAR)
October 22, 2020 Important Date During the same October presidential debate, Joe Biden also said, “My son has not made money, in terms of thing about, what are you talking about? China. The only guy who made money in China is [President Trump].” 🤣 (MORE LIES)
March 16, 2023 Important Date The Oversight and Accountability Committee releases its first bank records memorandum revealing over $1 million in payments from a Chinese company to the Bidens through an associate.
March 17, 2023 Important Date When asked about his family dealings and whether Biden family members received money from his son’s business associates, Joe Biden responded, “That’s not true.” (LIAR)
May 10, 2023 Important Date The Oversight and Accountability Committee releases its second bank records memorandum revealing the Bidens’ influence peddling schemes in Romania and China.
June 22, 2023 Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation The Committee on Ways and Means releases IRS whistleblower testimony about the Department of Justice’s politicization and misconduct with respect to allegations against Hunter Biden.
July 19, 2023 Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation The House Oversight Committee holds a hearing with two IRS whistleblowers who testified about the Department of Justice’s misconduct and politicization in the Biden criminal investigation. Key takeaways from the hearing can be found here.
July 20, 2023 Important Date Senator Chuck Grassley released an unclassified FBI-generated record describing an alleged criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Joe Biden and a Ukrainian business executive. Senator Grassley acquired the record, an FD-1023, via legally protected disclosures by Justice Department whistleblowers.
July 24, 2023 Important Date Business Insider reveals Hunter Biden’s gallery sold art to major Democratic donor and >>>Biden-appointed commissioner Elizabeth Hirsh Naftali.<<<
Naftali was appointed by President Biden to the Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad.
This is the same Commission President Obama appointed Eric Schwerin, Hunter Biden’s longtime business associate, to in 2015. This comes after President Biden “pledged that there would be an ‘absolute wall’ between his official duties and his family’s private business interest.” (DIRECT, BLATANT INFLUENCE PEDDLING... AND MORE LIES)
July 25, 2023 Important Date Washington Examiner reveals Alexander Mackler, a close associate of the Biden family and former Biden Staffer, spent years working in the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office. According to Mackler’s LinkedIn, part of his tenure was under U.S. Attorney David Weiss. He also had overlap with the months when whistleblowers said the office took up an investigation of Hunter Biden.
“Mackler also appeared to have a close personal relationship with Hunter Biden. In emails found on Hunter Biden’s laptop, Mackler corresponded frequently with Hunter Biden and his business associates and even referred to Hunter Biden fondly as a “brother” in October 2018.”
July 26, 2023 Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation Hunter Biden’s Sweetheart Plea Deal Hearing Transcript: U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika refused to rubberstamp Hunter Biden’s sweetheart plea deal. At the hearing, the Justice Department admitted that Hunter Biden’s sweetheart plea deal was unprecedented. Hunter Biden also admitted that he made money from China, contradicting Joe Biden’s claims that his son never made money in China. Hunter Biden also admitted that his former business partner was CCP-linked Ye Jianming. The hearing transcript can be found here.
Ukraine The House Oversight Committee held a transcribed interview with Devon Archer, Hunter Biden’s former business associate. During the transcribed interview, Archer testified that Joe Biden was “the brand” that Hunter Biden sold around the world to enrich the Biden family. Archer also admitted that Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it.” Key excerpts and the full transcript can be found here.
So you post a bunch of BS that nobody could ever prove existed. First it was the Ukrainians.
If that were true Joe Biden would have been in prison by now and you know it.
Dear God man you just keep repeating conspiracies that have been disproven over and over again. Just because a bunch of republicans played connect the dots to draw their own pictures and conclusions they could never prove doesn't make any of that true. Sadly even you know that.
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Trump blames rising diesel price on Russia-Ukraine war
Yes, he spoke that he asked Zelensky to stop hitting russian energy. And if i was Z, i would have said sure-but one more strike hits civilian population, I am going to set it ablaze.
Meanwhile, over here, we are now at a record for diesel and Walmart is going to start rationing selling cases of oil in their stores and Costco is also thinking about it.
So you post a bunch of BS that nobody could ever prove existed. First it was the Ukrainians.
If that were true Joe Biden would have been in prison by now and you know it.
Dear God man you just keep repeating conspiracies that have been disproven over and over again. Just because a bunch of republicans played connect the dots to draw their own pictures and conclusions they could never prove doesn't make any of that true. Sadly even you know that.
How else do you want him to change the subject he cant defend?
Don't need, want or care to defend "Russia, Russia, Russia!!" version 329. If you're actually dumb enough to believe multibillionaires need a "Russian close to Putin" to finance a freaking wedding, you're truly beyond help.
But we already knew that didn't we?
News Flash: absolutely no human with a brain cares. Just more fodder for the TDS circle jerk.
If that were true Joe Biden would have been in prison by now and you know it.
Trying to prove who controlled the autopen when was challenging, and no one wanted to be the one to prosecute a sleepy grandpa that didn't know where he was and may not have been able to pass a competency test anyways. Plus, he has metastatic cancer.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
If that were true Joe Biden would have been in prison by now and you know it.
Trying to prove who controlled the autopen when was challenging, and no one wanted to be the one to prosecute a sleepy grandpa that didn't know where he was and may not have been able to pass a competency test anyways. Plus, he has metastatic cancer.
Then there's the fact that we never have or never will put a former president in prison. But as long as the response is mindless drivel it will fit right in.
If that were true Joe Biden would have been in prison by now and you know it.
Trying to prove who controlled the autopen when was challenging, and no one wanted to be the one to prosecute a sleepy grandpa that didn't know where he was and may not have been able to pass a competency test anyways. Plus, he has metastatic cancer.
Then there's the fact that we never have or never will put a former president in prison. But as long as the response is mindless drivel it will fit right in.
I wouldn't put it past this current group of dems. Just like all communists, either conform or disappear. They are sick people. Rule by fear.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Nope. The more things change, the more they stay the same. The numbers just get bigger and people just become oblivious to the game.
There is one major difference.
You were very upset over the alleged Biden crime family raking in millions. You don't seem concerned at all at the Trump's abusing office to generate billions or this latest russian oligarch money bank rolling their wedding.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Don't need, want or care to defend "Russia, Russia, Russia!!" version 329.
Are you referring to where it was proven that Russia interfered in the election in favor of trump?
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If you're actually dumb enough to believe multibillionaires need a "Russian close to Putin" to finance a freaking wedding, you're truly beyond help.
I think you called that influence peddling above.
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News Flash: absolutely no human with a brain cares. Just more fodder for the TDS circle jerk.
Yes the TDS circle jerk.
TDS - Trump Devotion Syndrome.
Convicted on 34 felony counts and you're still devoted.
A jury found that he sexually assaulted a woman and you're still devoted.
He repeatedly fired independent inspectors general who reported on executive branch misconduct and used government levers to target political opponents and you're still devoted.
His budget and legislative packages have targeted and slashed funding for programs like Medicaid and local mental health/addiction grants ans you're still devoted.
Empowering groups like the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) led to the dismantling of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), abruptly halting global health programs, HIV/AIDS prevention, and critical disaster relief. Purposefully starving people including children around the globe and you're still devoted.
His rhetoric and efforts to overturn the 2020 election, combined with the subsequent pardoning of January 6th participants, are viewed by critics as a direct assault on constitutional governance and the peaceful transfer of power and you're still devoted.
The list is much, much longer. And you got it backwards on another count. Only humans without a brain don't care.
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Trying to prove who controlled the autopen when was challenging, and no one wanted to be the one to prosecute a sleepy grandpa that didn't know where he was and may not have been able to pass a competency test anyways. Plus, he has metastatic cancer.
If you believe trump gives a damn about any of that you are fooling nobody but yourself. Trump posted on Truth Social that he was glad former FBI Director and Special Counsel Robert Mueller died, writing: "Robert Mueller just died. Good, I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!"
Trying to claim that a man who has zero empathy has empathy is a non starter. None of that makes sense.
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I wouldn't put it past this current group of dems. Just like all communists, either conform or disappear. They are sick people. Rule by fear.
You mean while we all witness trump doing that very thing by going after every democrat who ever stood up to him? Doing the same thing to the media? Dear Lord man wake up and pay attention.
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As a student years ago, I dove deep into the history of the Red-hunting McCarthy era and became familiar with the actor who emerged second only to Wisconsin Sen. Joe McCarthy as the villain of that insidious time: his shameless, conniving young lawyer, Roy Cohn. Never would I have imagined that a future president would count Cohn as a mentor and role model.
Then came Donald Trump.
Now, in Cohn-inflected McCarthyesque style, President Trump is channeling his tutor yet again, baselessly labeling his political enemies — all Democrats — as communists as he looks ahead to the fall’s midterm elections. Once more Trump shows that his catchphrase “Make America great again” means regressing, this time to Trump’s formative 1950s and the McCarthy era that sadly helped define it.
In recent speeches, including on the Fourth of July, Trump’s utterances of “communist” or “communism” reached double digits each time. (As that implies, the president didn’t set aside his divisive rhetoric even for the nation’s 250th birthday.)
“Our warriors did not fight communism on battlefields across the world only to have that menace rear its ugly head right back here in America,” Trump said late on the Fourth on the National Mall.
Trump couples his commie-baiting with a dash of his trademark xenophobia. “There is now a resurgence of the communist menace in our land, including by newcomers to our country who embrace ideas totally opposed to our way of life and our great success,” he said at Mount Rushmore a day earlier. (He’s got it backward, of course: Immigrants come here for the American way of life and promise of success.)
Here’s the irony: Trump’s actions in his second term make him look more like the commie. He’s projecting again.
Now that Trump is exploiting a few victories lately by left-wing democratic socialists in Democratic primaries to paint the entire party as communists, it’s time to review the record — his record.
A hallmark of communism is government ownership of companies and control of the economy, at the expense of private property and free markets. In just over a year, Trump has used billions of taxpayers’ dollars to buy shares for the government in a growing list of private companies — U.S. Steel, Intel, Westinghouse and more — citing national security. The companies don’t always welcome their new stakeholder; at a minimum, they rightly fear it for the demands the government could make about prices and production.
“It’s what Putin did,” the estranged Republicans at the Lincoln Project posted online Monday. “Trump is the closest we’ve ever come to communism.”
“What began as a populist revolt against so-called elites has become a program of state ownership, price fixing and top-down industrial control,” free-market economist Veronique de Rugy wrote in The Times last October of Trump’s actions. “The power to ‘partner’ with business is the power to control it.”
Comrade Trump’s first big government grab, and a model for those to come, was in June last year, when he wrested a permanent “golden share” in U.S. Steel in return for approving its sale to Japan’s Nippon Steel. The company’s charter was revised to give the U.S. president extraordinary veto power over nearly a dozen corporate activities, including closing or relocating plants, supply-chain decisions, even pricing.
“We have a golden share, which I control,” Trump told reporters at the time, in words I never thought I’d hear from a president of the party once associated with free markets.
Just last week, Trump boasted to CNBC how he’d extracted a 10% stake in beleaguered chip giant Intel last August, after first demanding that its chief executive resign. “Intel came in. They had a problem. I said, ‘I can solve your problem, but I want 10% of the company.’ … Somebody said that’s not very American. I said, ‘No, I think it is very American, actually.’ And I’ve done that with other deals.”
And so he has.
The Pentagon is now the largest stockholder in struggling MP Materials, a large rare-earth mine in California, and guarantees a 10-year price floor for its output that stunned competitors. The administration has since taken shares in other rare-earth companies. The Commerce Department took an option for an 8% stake in Westinghouse, to spur construction of nuclear reactors, and has the right to 20% if the government decides the company should go public. The government takes a 15% cut of Nvidia’s and Advanced Micro Devices’ AI chip sales to China.
As much as anything he does, Trump’s direct intervention in private enterprise invites the question “What if Biden/Harris/Obama did that?” The answer, of course: Trump and Republicans would cry “Communist!”
Trump’s actions are the sort Americans generally have only seen during economic emergencies or major wars, and then rarely. I covered the frenzied and ultimately successful response to the near-collapse of the global financial system and the U.S. auto, insurance and housing industries. Behind the scenes in the Obama White House (and George W. Bush’s at the outset) was constant, angst-filled debate about any actions smacking of government takeovers and a determination that interventions be temporary, unlike Trump’s schemes. (For all the still-lingering unpopularity of the banking bailout, the Treasury — the taxpayers — got all the money back and then some, and exited the business.)
Trump’s economic big-footing isn’t the only way in which he resembles the commies Americans know best, and whom he so admires: Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jung Un. There are also the images of himself everywhere, monuments planned, drearily long and self-adulating speeches and interference in the nation’s cultural, educational and legal spheres and — worst of all — in elections.
At Rushmore, Trump closed with a demand that Congress pass his so-called SAVE America Act to restrict voting. “We do that and we’re not going to lose an election for 100 years,” he said, speaking of course about Republicans.
One-party rule through central government election finagling? Now that’s a communist.
Nope. The more things change, the more they stay the same. The numbers just get bigger and people just become oblivious to the game.
There is one major difference.
You were very upset over the alleged Biden crime family raking in millions. You don't seem concerned at all at the Trump's abusing office to generate billions or this latest russian oligarch money bank rolling their wedding.
I was very upset? 🤣
You've got me pegged all wrong, bro. I could give two ____ about them raking in millions. What I've been finding particularly entertaining is the road to a place where people like Pit and you are still in denial about it. You probably believed OJ was innocent when you saw him try to put the glove on.
First - it's not Hunter's laptop. Next - It may be his laptop. Then, "oh crap we can't deny it anymore, hmmmm, I've got it! Russian disinformation. These people are so stupid, they'll believe anything!"
And you all lopped it up.
They used that LIE to interfere with an election.
And you all lopped it up.
Then, as everything comes out, and all the dots are connected, and all the emails are verified, and the WhatsApp messages are vierifed...
Straight back to denial.
The flowchart of shell companies alone would put you or I in prison for 40 years.
Nope, not you guys... "no DNA".
At that point, since I know you all aren't stupid, there's no sense in conversating, right??
I post that laundry list every time and will continue. People like Pit and BAD still say it's not factual, when literally everything there has been proven as fact. I do it to entertain myself with the responses. At least you've moved on from screaming "lies!" and have tempered your response to "alleged".
But now... more "Russia, Russia, Russia!!" And you think I should be angry?? 🤣 Back to the first box on the flowchart. Couldn't give two shizzles, bro.
Here's my litmus test, yours may vary:
You could have 5 trillion dollars; you're still not going to make Donald Trump do something he doesn't want to do. And for free -- he'll do whatever the hell he wants, whenever he wants. You can donate a million to his campaign and he'll call your wife a pig the next day if he doesn't like what you said in an ABC interview. I'm not saying that's a redeeming quality, I'm just stating the facts.
So here, let's contrast... one thing you cared nothing about and still deny it ever happened; the other you have your hair on fire over.
Hunter Biden told a Chinese national his father was sitting at the table for a conversation where he said "show me the money". When the money didn't arrive fast enough, he all but threatened them. A couple days later -- $5 million dollars arrives. At the time, the entire Biden family net worth was HALF of that check.
Don Jr gets married; some Russian oligarch goes out of his way to spend about 170G on their wedding. Don Jr is worth 300M, his daddy is worth billions. That's less than one tenth of 1% of Don's net worth. I fail to see how that moves the needle.
But as usual, the usual suspects take the opportunity to point to some crazy thing that may or may not happen in the future because of it. You guys don't deal in reality; you deal in predicting a future reality... and are nowhere to be found when it doesn't come to pass.
So that's the deal now? Russia buying favors from Trump again... because wedding gift? I guess if that's what you guys want to think, believe, "spam the board" with, so be it.
And another difference here... instead of lies, media alignment to enforce the lie, a cover-up, more lies so extravagant you wonder who came up with them, calling the people exposing the truth conspiracy theorists, using it to influence an election, etc, etc...
You have Don and his wife... "Yeah that was a very generous gift, he's our friend."
Except ... my hair isn't on fire. And for a guy who didn't care you were very passionate about the Biden crime family - that's why I took it for angst / anger.
Not sure if you know Trump's history - but he was nearly bankrupt at one point in the early 1990's. The $40 million daddy gave Dony didn't work out so well. There are two things that saved his bacon - 1 more money from his daddy to the tune of $400m total - the other huge cash input was selling real estate to Russians. Maybe it's a complete coincidence that he has this history with Russians, that he kowtows and essentially acts like Putins Cuck including rolling out the red carpet to him on US soil ... So the $170K or whatever it was is less significant than it is one more chapter in a long association with Russians.
If you don't care - that's fine. I'm not going to try to make you especially as you say you don't care about Hunter and Sleepy making Bank.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
President Joe Biden (House Impeachment Inquiry): A lengthy congressional investigation by House Republicans into the president's family business ties concluded without producing concrete evidence that Joe Biden personally committed an impeachable offense or broke federal law. Separately, a key informant who provided initial allegations of a bribery scheme later pleaded guilty to fabricating the story.
Former FBI informant pleads guilty to lying about fake bribery scheme involving the Bidens
U.S. pardon attorney Ed Martin led a Department of Justice inquiry into whether Biden was mentally competent or manipulated when issuing preemptive family pardons and clemency for federal inmates.
Lack of Direct Proof: Congressional investigations and media reviews found no direct, concrete evidence proving that Joe Biden used his official office to corruptly influence business deals or personally profit from Chinese payoffs.
Trump is pushing a baseless conspiracy about the Bidens and China. Here's what we know.
I do know his history... and a lot of the lies you've been sold. Your media decided a while back it would adjust the number for inflation before they fed it to you. There was never, ever 400 million. That's a well-known lie masked by some fancy, meaningless math.
Furthermore, dad didn't give him anything like that to bail him out, dad gave him 3.3 million and helped provide collateral to help Donald secure a $35 million line of credit. A little bit different than 400 million, eh?
Fact is (if you like actual facts) dad gave him 90 million of well-orchestrated payments over his entire life and that began at a young age.
As far as the bankruptcies, all of his creditors restructured his debt and took a stake in his companies. All of his creditors called it a win/win because his brand was so valuable and just took a hit because he was overleveraged during a recession. Real estate was decimated during the '90-91 The Savings and Loan Crisis. These were called "prepackaged bankruptcies"... all parties agree on the terms and a judge rubber-stamps them.
Trying to prove who controlled the autopen when was challenging, and no one wanted to be the one to prosecute a sleepy grandpa that didn't know where he was and may not have been able to pass a competency test anyways. Plus, he has metastatic cancer.
If you believe trump gives a damn about any of that you are fooling nobody but yourself. Trump posted on Truth Social that he was glad former FBI Director and Special Counsel Robert Mueller died, writing: "Robert Mueller just died. Good, I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!"
Trying to claim that a man who has zero empathy has empathy is a non starter. None of that makes sense.
Where are you seeing anything about Trump and empathy. Trump isn't a prosecutor. I usually find Trump Derangement Syndrome claims annoying, but you do seem rather preoccupied with him.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
While it's true that "some of it was in the form of loans" it's not as you presented it either. The money was not given all at once as a startup loan, but accumulated through allowances, salaries, loans, trusts, and an eventual share of the family's real estate holdings......................
How much Trump received has seemingly been a sensitive point for the former president. He has often claimed it was a “very small loan,” but a 2018 report by the New York Times largely refuted that.
The Times claimed that, after reviewing financial documents, it determined Trump received more than $413 million — in 2018 dollars — from his New York City developer father, Fred, for years.
According to the Washington Post, Trump benefited from trusts set up for family members as well as loans from his father and his father’s estate. The New York Times said it found Trump and his father avoided gift and inheritance taxes by using a sham corporation and undervaluing assets, The Associated Press reported.
At the time, a lawyer for Trump and the White House dismissed the claims.
Trump has largely done the same, claiming his father only gave him a “very small loan” that he turned “into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars.” However, as Harris noted during Tuesday’s debate, Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection seven times.
Yes, the amount was adjusted to reflect inflation. And yes not all of it was just given to him. But far more of it was in no way a loan as you suggested and no matter how you sugar coat it, he applied for and received bankruptcy adjudication seven times.
And now you know the rest of the story.....
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In case you missed it, which I don't believe you did, trump tells his prosecutors who to go after and they follow his orders. Those who refuse to follow those orders either quit or are replaced. This game you're playing seems to only be entertaining to yourself.
TDS is actually Trump Devotion Syndrome.
No mater how low he stoops, no matter what he says or does, there's always people like yourself making excuses for it, trying to deny it and making every feeble attempt you can muster to blame us for pointing it out.
Former Minnesota state Senator Justin Eichorn pleaded guilty to attempted possession of child sexual abuse material and is currently in jail awaiting sentencing. Eichorn co-sponsored a Minnesota state bill in March 2025 that proposed classifying "Trump derangement syndrome" (TDS) as a form of mental illness (though he did not invent the term "Trump derangement syndrome," which was coined years earlier by columnist Charles Krauthammer).
That's when the 413 million dollars was adjusted to reflect inflation. I'm sure that amount would be much higher now. It appears you had no idea of the time frame at which that happened. Now you know. You're welcome BTW.
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Adjusting numbers from the past and equating it to "today's" money is common and standard practice in many cases. Sorry you don't like that.
When you say the number was $90 million... Does that include daddy's estate after his death?
You're sorry I don't like what? "Disinformation". Didn't the last clown say we needed a czar for that?
Originally Posted by mgh888
Not sure if you know Trump's history - but he was nearly bankrupt at one point in the early 1990's. The $40 million daddy gave Dony didn't work out so well. There are two things that saved his bacon - 1 more money from his daddy to the tune of $400m total - the other huge cash input was selling real estate to Russians.
Did his dad give him 400 million?
Nope.
Did his dad give him $400 million to "bail him out"?
Nope.
Did Trump sell real estate to Russians to bail himself out?
Nope.
Those sales were in the 2000's when Russians were buying any real estate they could. They usually overpaid... "Russian billionaires used American real estate as 'the world's most expensive safety deposit boxes' to protect their money from being seized by the Kremlin."
So basically, nothing you stated is actually factual and your response is that you're not the first person to exaggerate value?
Seems like Trump got in a lot of trouble for that. He should have just told all the loan makers he was worth 45 trillion dollars in 2055 numbers. 🤔
Adjusting monetary value from decades ago and adjusting for inflation to discuss the value of something in today's terms is standard practice. Sorry you don't like it.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
No my post was factual - in the early 1990's Trump was close to bankruptcy. He even claimed that himself - "At one point, I was worth minus $900 million." while saying his assets had fallen below his debts. And even for a known pathological liar, you don't make that claim unless you are/were in trouble. So fact 1.
Sure - I omitted to add "adjusted" or "in today's money" - but as I have said it's not uncommon. Or maybe you believe that the Dolan's payroll this year is more than Jacob's spent back in the 90's and think that's a valid comparison and argument?
And while you say Trump restructured loans to help save him - what do you call a loan from daddy that you don't pay back? And the number you claim - $90 million - seems way off even if old money. Your 'facts' are spurious at best.
And you have also failed to mention the factual sale of $100's millions of real estate to the Russians. Another FACT, not a wishbone.
But honestly it does not seem like you're not really interested in a conversation, it seems you want gotchas and to throw stones and say "typical dawgtalkers" without acknowledging your own attitude/contribution. . . . I'll repeat - if you're not worried about the Biden's making Bank - then I understand why your not worried about the financial affairs of Trump.
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Maybe you should be more careful about the company you keep.
I should. You're rather toxic to me.
Yes, I remember the meltdown it caused you to have in the past yet here you are again. But I suppose if that's the best you can come up with by using a term that a prison inmate tried to pass legislation on......
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It seems the trump family cares enough about it to make public denials of any involvement and doing what they can to distance themselves from the situation.......
Donald Trump: President Trump stated he does not personally know Kremlev, has never heard of him, and noted that the funding covered a separate afterparty rather than the actual wedding ceremony.
Melania Trump has denied any involvement in or knowledge of the financial planning for Donald Trump Jr.’s recent wedding celebrations. Following an investigative report by ProPublica, a spokesperson stated that she played no role in organizing the event and was not privy to its finances.
Maybe you should be more careful about the company you keep.
I should. You're rather toxic to me.
Yes, I remember the meltdown it caused you to have in the past yet here you are again. But I suppose if that's the best you can come up with by using a term that a prison inmate tried to pass legislation on......
Righteous anger towards a pathetic liar isn't a melt down. I'm sure you'll feel free to keep trying to paint things as you will. Even Jesus flipped tables on moneychangers at the temple. Some actions of people deserve to be castigated vigorously. I consider yours frequently to be those sorts of situations.
I suppose, to you, that's my god complex showing
Not everyone should be a sniveling lickspittle that tries to twist the truth, nor be willing to ignore it when someone else does.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I don't have to paint anything. You admitted it. Or did you forget? That's why you're being so defensive.
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
Righteous anger towards a pathetic liar isn't a melt down.
It it is hard not to get angry when you do that.
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Even Jesus flipped tables on moneychangers at the temple.
To turn a phrase of Lloyd Bentsen.... "I know Jesus. Jesus is a friend of mine. Sir, you are no Jesus."
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Some actions of people deserve to be castigated vigorously. I consider yours frequently to be those sorts of situations.
I suppose, to you, that's my god complex showing
No, just your superiority complex.
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Not everyone should be a sniveling lickspittle that tries to twist the truth, nor be willing to ignore it when someone else does.
I agree 100%. You really need to stop doing that. It isn't attractive.
Step back off the ledge. I'm becoming more worried for you by the hour.
Liars do tend to get angry when called out for their lies.
You're the one that claims to believe in Jesus. I'm aware of his alleged actions, but no longer claim to be a follower/believer. My life would be much easier if I were still capable of that belief.
I can't help that I make you feel inferior.
Your problem seems to be that you don't recognize the truth. You only believe you do. I don't claim to know the truth of most things, but I can see your blatant lies.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Gas Lighting 101 - Just in case you don't already know, it's possible to identify someone's superiority complex without feeling inferior. In fact the very fact that you can spot it probably infers that one doesn't feel inferior.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Nothing about you could ever make me feel inferior. You are actually cheap entertainment for me at this point.
Having some grandiose delusion that you are superior doesn't make it so.
And you're the one that brought the example of Jesus into the discussion. Not me. But then again this isn't the first time and I doubt it will be the last that you tried to use examples and points to bolster your position that you yourself don't even believe are true.
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Gas Lighting 101 - Just in case you don't already know, it's possible to identify someone's superiority complex without feeling inferior. In fact the very fact that you can spot it probably infers that one doesn't feel inferior.
You may be right. Pit probably does think that he's superior.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Nothing about you could ever make me feel inferior. You are actually cheap entertainment for me at this point.
Having some grandiose delusion that you are superior doesn't make it so.
And you're the one that brought the example of Jesus into the discussion. Not me. But then again this isn't the first time and I doubt it will be the last that you tried to use examples and points to bolster your position that you yourself don't even believe are true.
You seem to be quite familiar with grandiose delusions that aren't true. Being incapable of feeling inferior would seem to indicate you're the one with a superiority complex.
I don't feel that I'm categorically superior. All too often you are just flat out wrong, but can't seem to see it. It's not about inherent superiority, just different training and approaches. You are the one that seems to constantly try to compare us. I'm constantly annoyed by it.
I brought it up because you have claimed to believe it. Pointing out the seeming contradictions of your alleged beliefs contrasted to your arguments was the point. Your apparent inability to see the contradictions when you believe something is why it is seemingly impossible to have an "honest discussion" with you.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
The fact you think that whenever I disagree with you somehow it's an indication that I'm " flat out wrong, but can't seem to see it" only proves my point. Thanks for your contribution and thanks for playing.
The rest of your rambling response is nothing more than word salad. I see you have decided to stop focusing on any part of the actual topic discussion and make it all 100% personal. At this point in the discussion I can't really say iIblame you. I mean when you have nothing else left.....
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The fact you think that whenever I disagree with you somehow it's an indication that I'm " flat out wrong, but can't seem to see it" only proves my point. Thanks for your contribution and thanks for playing.
The rest of your rambling response is nothing more than word salad. I see you have decided to stop focusing on any part of the actual topic discussion and make it all 100% personal. At this point in the discussion I can't really say iIblame you. I mean when you have nothing else left.....
Your trying to claim things as fact that aren't facts is a prime example of your being wrong and seemingly not seeing it.
Nothing more than word salad is more of your BS. Your trying to minimize and dismiss things that point out your acting in bad faith is typical. Your posting about me without respect to the topic is fine, but my responding to your BS is somehow out of bounds? Your blatant hypocrisy says a lot about you.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Those wanting to discuss "their superiority"...start your own thread and have at it.
This thread is about the Trump family accepting bribe money from Putin and his Russian Oligarchs.
The thread was about a Trump Wedding, but then Pit decided to try to push the narrative that I keep company with child predators because that sort of crap is what he does. I found it pretty messed up, I'm not just going to let it slide by.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
The thread was about a Trump Wedding, but then Pit decided to try to push the narrative that I keep company with child predators because that sort of crap is what he does. I found it pretty messed up, I'm not just going to let it slide by.
I wish the powers that be on this board would just boot that guy from this site. Just a toxic account/profile and a massive liability on here. So many people refrain from posting here because of him.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Those wanting to discuss "their superiority"...start your own thread and have at it.
This thread is about the Trump family accepting bribe money from Putin and his Russian Oligarchs.
I helped you with the math just so I can show you how stupid you sound.
I assumed you're a millionaire.
Can you be bribed for $24.28?
I do think calling it a bribe is probably a mischaracterization. Still a Russian apparatchik seemingly paying for access to an American political family does look problematic to me.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
The thread was about a Trump Wedding, but then Pit decided to try to push the narrative that I keep company with child predators because that sort of crap is what he does. I found it pretty messed up, I'm not just going to let it slide by.
I wish the powers that be on this board would just boot that guy from this site. Just a toxic account/profile and a massive liability on here. So many people refrain from posting here because of him.
Of course you and some others do. That's your not so new MO. Silence those who disagree with you. The only people who "refrain from posting on here" because of me lack any sine. So do those who have me blocked. Then they turn around and sling trash like you just did. #spineless
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The thread was about a Trump Wedding, but then Pit decided to try to push the narrative that I keep company with child predators because that sort of crap is what he does. I found it pretty messed up, I'm not just going to let it slide by.
That's an outright and blatant lie.
Your melt down is officially under way.
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The Source of Funds: The money was routed through a Dubai-based entity linked to the International Boxing Association (IBA), which Kremlev leads and which has long been financed by the Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom.
The trump family put out unsolicited denials of knowing Umar Kremlev in an effort to distance themselves from the situation. Then it was found that Kremlev funneled the money through a third entity to try and disguise where those funds actually originated from.
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Those wanting to discuss "their superiority"...start your own thread and have at it.
This thread is about the Trump family accepting bribe money from Putin and his Russian Oligarchs.
I helped you with the math just so I can show you how stupid you sound.
I assumed you're a millionaire.
Can you be bribed for $24.28?
I do think calling it a bribe is probably a mischaracterization. Still a Russian apparatchik seemingly paying for access to an American political family does look problematic to me.
Can't disagree, if we add plenty of rope to the word "problematic" and "access". I mean, the apparatus at work takes place a million times a day around the globe. It has for hundreds of years.
I think it's important to look at the scale. There's not a damned soul in the world thinking someone's buying favor with Mac because they gave him a $25 wedding gift, right?
That said, someone like Don Jr should be wise enough to turn down gifts of that nature and politely explain why. But who knows how any of this went down? I don't. Up to the point of reading your level-headed, non-hair-on-fire post, I knew few details.
Now, after doing a bit of a dive: It seems Don Jr and Kremlev have been friends for a few years. It's also established Kremlev is well connected, connected enough that accepting a gift of this nature would naturally be seen as bad judgment. What has not been established is the timeline... so let's toss out a few possibilities:
Kremlev → Don Jr., April 10: “My friend, I will arrange island for your celebration.”
Is one thing.
Kremlev → Don Jr., April 10: “My friend, I will arrange island for your celebration. Everything is my gift.”
Is another.
Don Jr. → Kremlev, May 15: “Are you sure you're covering the island and fireworks?”
Sounds a little more like... "I'm sitting here with my dad, where's the money". Well, not really.
And that's my point; and my job here in "liberal hair on fire" Ville. I take it upon myself to point out the glaring inconsistencies.
Hunter's corrupt financial deals and web of shell companies didn't move the needle with anyone that posts here. Not a bit. They still actually deny any of it is true. Pages and pages of wire transfers to companies that did nothing but write checks to other companies. And the business partners that Joe never met? They had been to the White House numerous times. No one cares. "10% for the big guy"? Nah... that could have been anyone. They could and would explain away a Black Hole as a pinhole in a cloud.
So, on that scale... Kremlev would have to write a check for 15 BILLION for this to be the same as a $5 million dollar check from Chinese to a Biden family worth half that. And that was just one transaction.
There's not much meaningful conversation here. No one cares to put bias aside enough for that to exist. Most topics result in temper tantrums. I've gone from "whatever" to embracing my new role as Hypocrisy Czar. It's about the only way I can still accrue any entertainment value from this $h*tshow.
Great news though... we'll get to the bottom of all of this soon because there will be a Congressional Investigation!
Of course you and some others do. That's your not so new MO. Silence those who disagree with you. The only people who "refrain from posting on here" because of me lack any sine. So do those who have me blocked. Then they turn around and sling trash like you just did. #spineless
Oh, look... we've got a bad ass over here! Big, tough internet guy penning big, tough internet posts!
The tough part seems to be how others wish to block anything they don't want to hear. I have enough spine to read all posters. If you think that makes me a tough guy I feel that makes your level of what you define as a tough guy pretty low. Come on FATE. We've been posting back and forth for a long time now. I'm sure you can do better than that weak BS.
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The thread was about a Trump Wedding, but then Pit decided to try to push the narrative that I keep company with child predators because that sort of crap is what he does. I found it pretty messed up, I'm not just going to let it slide by.
That's an outright and blatant lie.
Your melt down is officially under way.
Let the people decide. You posted this in a reply directed at me:
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Former Minnesota state Senator Justin Eichorn pleaded guilty to attempted possession of child sexual abuse material and is currently in jail awaiting sentencing. Eichorn co-sponsored a Minnesota state bill in March 2025 that proposed classifying "Trump derangement syndrome" (TDS) as a form of mental illness (though he did not invent the term "Trump derangement syndrome," which was coined years earlier by columnist Charles Krauthammer).
The tough part seems to be how others wish to block anything they don't want to hear. I have enough spine to read all posters. If you think that makes me a tough guy I feel that makes your level of what you define as a tough guy pretty low. Come on FATE. We've been posting back and forth for a long time now. I'm sure you can do better than that weak BS.
Spine? Not sure how you equate "reading all posters" to having a spine. It's nobody's job or obligation to "enjoy" this forum the way you define their participation. There are a number of people that just see you as a "blowhard" that never has an inch of give and take with others' opinions. They see that because it's mostly true; at least in this section.
There are others that don't care to get tangled into endless debate over nonsense (usually something cherry-picked from previous replies that has no real bearing or impact on the actual discussion), because it inevitably leads to who can pen the last insult. And we know that will be you, because you've never walked away from a foray without the last word. You probably call that "spine" as well.
I don't think you're a tough guy; I think you think you're a tough guy. I think you think that if you never give in, always get the last word, pen posts with clever language that makes the adversary look like a bit of a fool; you've won something for the day. It makes you feel better about yourself when you step away from the keyboard every day at 5pm.
That's all well and good; to each his own... until you run out of people to talk to. We're not that far away.
So in your philosophical mind you claim that hyperbole in pointing out you have tied yourself into using the very term used by this man is an actual,attempt to push the narrative that you keep company with child predators?
We both know it means you should be careful about whose terms you use and who they are before pushing their agenda. But you do you.
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The tough part seems to be how others wish to block anything they don't want to hear. I have enough spine to read all posters. If you think that makes me a tough guy I feel that makes your level of what you define as a tough guy pretty low. Come on FATE. We've been posting back and forth for a long time now. I'm sure you can do better than that weak BS.
Spine? Not sure how you equate "reading all posters" to having a spine. It's nobody's job or obligation to "enjoy" this forum the way you define their participation. There are a number of people that just see you as a "blowhard" that never has an inch of give and take with others' opinions. They see that because it's mostly true; at least in this section.
Most normal people call that having an opposing opinion until they wish to make the opposing opinion a target to blame the messenger. What you really mean is "people who share my politics" see it that way. It's pretty simple. Either you engage with people who have differing political views or you don't. You either participate in that or you don't. Your method seems to be ignore it all until the moment you wish to jump an and make insults then block me again. I'm not sure what the hell you call that. Does that even qualify for a participation trophy?
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There are others that don't care to get tangled into endless debate over nonsense (usually something cherry-picked from previous replies that has no real bearing or impact on the actual discussion), because it inevitably leads to who can pen the last insult. And we know that will be you, because you've never walked away from a foray without the last word. You probably call that "spine" as well.
And then there are people who claim to have me blocked but somehow can't resist jumping into the foray to throw your own insults while pointing the finger at me for doing that. The fact of the matter is there is no defense for the things trump and this administration says or does. People such as yourself ignore it, refuse to comment on it and instead you even compared much of it as the same as "blowing your nose". But somehow you try to blame people like me for it. It's not my fault you refuse to step up to the plate and own it.
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I don't think you're a tough guy; I think you think you're a tough guy. I think you think that if you never give in, always get the last word, pen posts with clever language that makes the adversary look like a bit of a fool; you've won something for the day. It makes you feel better about yourself when you step away from the keyboard every day at 5pm.
That's all well and good; to each his own... until you run out of people to talk to. We're not that far away.
Once again, people on your side of politics aren't everyone. As long as we have posted on this board I had no idea you had a psychology degree or the qualifications to diagnose someone's thought process. I guess it really is true that you learn something new every day. So what do you call your refusal to call trump out for anything? What do you call trying to normalize his behavior by either ignoring it or shooting the messenger for posting it? I would certainly like your "expert diagnosis" on that one.
But I will give you one thing. Claiming it takes a spine to engage with those on which you disagree with is a huge overstatement. Just a couple of vertebrae would do the trick.
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See. This is how it works. I have no interest in dissecting you dissection of my post. I skimmed that crap and I'm moving on with my day.
And just so you know, I have a few people "on ignore". One in particular, just because they're so dumb I usually can't even make sense of their posts. That case is a "time vampire" ignore. Another would blame Trump if an asteroid hit the moon. That's an "off his rocker" ignore.
In your case, it's a necessary tool for navigating this space. I can easily see...
BullDawg
*ignore*
BullDawg
*ignore*
BullDawg
*ignore*
BullDawg
*ignore*
BullDawg
*ignore*
BullDawg
*ignore*
And know that is a waste of my time. I can be like "yep, he's reeling in another, glad I don't partake in that b.s. anymore".
In any case, I can decide whether the drivel is worth my attention before I take the time to even read it. When it's the usual b.s., it's not worth a glance.
But the fact that you post here 300 times a day and have some grand illusion that everyone is obligated to read your posts or you're more of a man than them pretty much says it all.
Now be a good dawg and get your last word. In fact, if you don't, you're a "spinless coward".
So in your philosophical mind you claim that hyperbole in pointing out you have tied yourself into using the very term used by this man is an actual,attempt to push the narrative that you keep company with child predators?
We both know it means you should be careful about whose terms you use and who they are before pushing their agenda. But you do you.
Yes, I find your intentionally "exaggerating" to create drama to be "pushing a narrative." Child sexual abuse is a term normal people don't use to push their agendas when it's clearly unrelated to the topic, yet that was your choice. There's nothing humorous about it.
To me, you're a contemptible hypocrite. I don't think I'm alone in that belief.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
So you think who the very term you used was used by and tried to introduce it as a diagnosis into law is "unrelated to the topic"?
I understand. You seem to think you can just create made up scenarios with no basis in facts in topics to create some false sense of doubt that as of now doesn't even exist but something that actually involves a term you used in this discussion isn't. Brilliant!
But when I post a factual account concerning the very term you yourself used it's not related and contemptible.
I don't care what you and the trumpians on this board think because I know exactly who and what you are. Since you're the one who brought up being a contemptible hypocrite.
Your meltdown has officially left the launching pad. I hope it doesn't explode like a Space X Rocket the same way it has done in the past.
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So you think who the very term you used was used by and tried to introduce it as a diagnosis into law is "unrelated to the topic"?
I understand. You seem to think you can just create made up scenarios with no basis in facts in topics to create some false sense of doubt that as of now doesn't even exist but something that actually involves a term you used in this discussion isn't. Brilliant!
But when I post a factual account concerning the very term you yourself used it's not related and contemptible.
I don't care what you and the trumpians on this board think because I know exactly who and what you are. Since you're the one who brought up being a contemptible hypocrite.
Your meltdown has officially left the launching pad. I hope it doesn't explode like a Space X Rocket the same way it has done in the past.
And you call things I write word salad.
If using a term means you are tied to everything said or committed by anyone else who ever used the term, you can essentially connect anything to any topic. Trying to tie the sexual predation to me was a contemptible act.
When I mentioned "Trump Derangement Syndrome," I explicitly stated that I find the term annoying. Yet, your actions tend to fit a semblance of that idea.
Unfortunately, you do seem to care because otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to lie so much. Your Dunning-Kruger also seems to be flaring up again because you don't actually "know exactly who and what you [we] are."
Projecting your meltdown doesn't really bother me. People have eyes, though most of them don't bother reading your words, so they're not going to see them anyways. I probably should stop quoting you so others don't have to be subjected to them when they've got you on ignore. I suppose that's rather inconsiderate of me.
Enjoy your imagined petty fiefdom. I'm gonna take a break from the boards for awhile. I don't think continuing to interact with you is worth my time, and I find too many of the posts here are yours.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
While your superiority complex has never waned from the start.
You claim I lie with nothing to back that up. Your typical shtick.
I do care about finding cheap entertainment. I mean why pay for what you can find for free? And you certainly step up to the plate and provide it.
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I'm gonna take a break from the boards for awhile.
That's a great idea. In the past it has shown not to be good for your mental health. Taking good care of yourself is the most important thing you can do. I wish you well. See you next time around.
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