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Buckeyes' Robiskie, Jenkins coming back; Gholston entering NFL draft COLUMBUS, Ohio -- If Ohio State is to make a run for a third-straight appearance in the BCS championship game next season, some familiar stars will be there to help the cause. Brian Robiskie, the Buckeyes' top receiver, and star cornerback Malcom Jenkins will both return for their senior seasons. Jenkins' decision to return was reported by ESPN's Joe Schad. However, the Buckeyes will lose defensive end Vernon Gholston, who told Schad he will enter the NFL draft. Additionally, Jenkins said linebacker James Laurinaitis and linebacker Marcus Freeman are torn about returning to Ohio State or entering the NFL draft, Schad reported. "It's time to take care of my family. It's time to let my teammates shine," Gholston said. "They say I'm a second-rounder. But what I bring is versatility. At 265 pounds I can add or lose weight. I can be a rush end and a linebacker. One thing I've never had a problem doing is beating blockers." Gholston surpassed Mike Vrabel's single-season school record with 14 sacks and was eighth on the team with 37 tackles. He could be drafted in the first round. Robiskie said there's still a lot he wants to accomplish in college, including winning a national championship. The Buckeyes were defeated 38-24 by LSU in this season's BCS title game and lost the 2006 national championship game to Florida, 41-14. Robiskie had 55 catches for 935 yards, and his 11 touchdowns were tied for fourth-highest in Ohio State history. The 20-year-old son of former Cleveland Browns interim head coach Terry Robiskie had been mentioned as one of the juniors who could leave early for the NFL. Members of Robiskie's class must declare their draft intentions by Tuesday. Jenkins, who had 47 tackles and four interceptions, said winning the Jim Thorpe Award is one of his goals next season. The award is given annually to the nation's top defensive back. "What's important to me is accomplishing more. I want to win the Thorpe. I want to be a first-team All-American," Jenkins said. "I want to win a national championship. I want to experience a senior season. You can't put a price tag on that. To be paid to play football is just a benefit. I'm not ready to transition to the next stage of my life yet."
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"It's time to take care of my family. It's time to let my teammates shine," Gholston said. "They say I'm a second-rounder. But what I bring is versatility. At 265 pounds I can add or lose weight. I can be a rush end and a linebacker. One thing I've never had a problem doing is beating blockers."
Second rounder? There's not a chance in hell Gholston makes it through the first 32 picks without coming off the board.
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I hope so...he'd look good in a Browns uni.
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No doubt about it but unfortunately, I'd be willing to bet the house that he has a 0% chance of being there when we pick. If he was, Phil would probably hand the card in during the first 5 seconds we were on the clock. 
If we get back in to the first round, I'm sure he'll be very high on our draft board.
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Second rounder? There's not a chance in hell Gholston makes it through the first 32 picks without coming off the board.
Remember how everyone said Alan Branch was a top five pick last year?
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Second rounder? There's not a chance in hell Gholston makes it through the first 32 picks without coming off the board.
Remember how everyone said Alan Branch was a top five pick last year?
Branch dropped because he turned out to be a fat, lazy slob with a terrible work ethic. Gholston seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum.
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with more teams moving to the 3-4 over the last couple of years and the blooming stars of the likes of Demarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman and Kam Wimbley, those tweener types go MUCH higher in the draft these days.
If teams think high enough of his ability to be that tweener, I doubt he falls past the #20-ish spot.
I'd love to get someone like him though... can pass rush, can play the run, solid tackler. He'd be a nice OLB pass rush threat, but I would like to see him inside a bit as well.
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I agree, for the sheer fact of what this IMHO "workout warrior" is going to do at the combine. Hopefully, Time Warner resolves this NFL Network fiasco by February so I can see how many times Gholston puts up 225.
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The only reason Gholston won't be the first DE/OLB taken in the draft is because Chris Long is in the same draft class. There's no way Gholston falls to the second round. He won't see the 2nd HALF of round 1! As far as the combine, and how often he puts up 225... I'd say, probably around 25 reps or so. ... with each arm. 
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It's funny how we all just know this stuff.. Not making fun of you man, but remember last year when it was known without doubt that Brady Quinn would be in the top 10....
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It's funny how we all just know this stuff.. Not making fun of you man, but remember last year when it was known without doubt that Brady Quinn would be in the top 10....
Things happen..
First off, BQ should have been in the top 10 because Cam Cameron screwed up taking TGJr. Secondly, BQ's drop was largely due to the fact that no teams needed a QB. You won't find the same for a pass rushing DE/OLB.
I get your point though, things do happen. It's just definitely super improbable that Gholston falls.
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That's a pretty good point,...you don't always need to take a QB, but no NFL team would/should pass on a guy like Long or Gohlston,...you always need those kinds of monsters.
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Except I don't think he has a chance in HELL of passing an NFL steroids test...
Let's be honest with ourselves and not play dumb here, he's NOT natural. That physique CANNOT be achieved naturally.
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 Really? If he's on steroids how does he manage to pass the tests that Ohio State administers? Vern is just a beast. It's sad to see him go but it's what's best for him. His press release regarding his entry to the draft was very good and I wish him absolutely nothing but the best. Hopefully Lawrence Wilson can come back strong and replace his pass rushing production next year. As for Robo coming back, I think it's the smart move. He wouldn't have been a first round pick and he can definitely improve his stock for next year. Plus, from interviews I've read on him he actually seems to value his education which is refreshing. Now there are 3 guys left to worry about. Freeman has seriously hinted that he's coming back. Laurinitis has said all along that he wants to come back but so did Gonzo and Pittman last year so we'll see. His family already has money and I don't think he can do anything but help his draft stock (he'd be a top 10 pick this year and I don't think he could hurt it but he could potentially help it like A.J. did after he came back) so it comes down to whether he wants to try and win a championship and graduate. If i had to bet I'd say he's coming back. He really likes it down here. The one guy of the three that I see as the most probable entry to the draft is Alex Boone. He'd probably be taken in the second half of the first round. I just get the feeling that he's gone but I think he stands to gain a lot if he comes back. Guys like Sam Baker and Jake Long would definitely be drafted in front of him so who knows if how strong a tackle class it is figures into his decision. Losing him would probably hurt more than any other guy who was considering the jump. It's hard to just plug in a LT, especially when we have a lot of young guys who still need to be developed. Hopefully he stays but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I thought that I heard the deadline is next Tuesday. I could be wrong on that.
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Let's be honest with ourselves and not play dumb here, he's NOT natural. That physique CANNOT be achieved naturally.
Really?? You ever seen a guy come out of prison just absolutely ripped. Did he get roids while he was in jail? No he had nothing better to do than work out. Not everybody who is ripped is on roids. Proper diet and a good workout plan will work too, just not as fast.
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Point is, nobody expected Miami to let him get past them,, but they did...
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Let's be honest with ourselves and not play dumb here, he's NOT natural. That physique CANNOT be achieved naturally.
Really?? You ever seen a guy come out of prison just absolutely ripped. Did he get roids while he was in jail? No he had nothing better to do than work out. Not everybody who is ripped is on roids. Proper diet and a good workout plan will work too, just not as fast.
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I know a thing or two about this stuff since lifting and bodybuilding nutrition is one of my hobbies. I know what's natural and what isn't, especially for his age.
I'm just about the same age as him and I've been blessed with some pretty good genetics (I was #1 in the bench press, incline press and was top 5 or 10 in every other lifting test for my football team) and I'm nowhere NEAR what he looks like.
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Ammo...you didn't go to Ohio State on a football scholorship so I think he might have a little better genetics than you...
you had a good run Hank.
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No doubt. But NO ONE can achieve that physique naturally. At that age.
NO ONE.
Legal supplements only do so much. Look at bodybuilders from the 1950's. Before roids. Look at Brady Quinn as well (another reason I'm a BQ fan aside from what I've seen on the field, the guy's a gymrat). That's natural.
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Ammo...you didn't go to Ohio State on a football scholorship so I think he might have a little better genetics than you...
No doubt. But NO ONE can achieve that physique naturally. At that age.
NO ONE.
Perhaps...maybe he takes something that isn't banned...
you had a good run Hank.
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NO ONE.
Explain Lebron James to me then, he was a manchild, it can happen naturally you don't know this guys genetic background.
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Explain Lebron James to me then, he was a manchild, it can happen naturally you don't know this guys genetic background.
LeBron is big but he doesn't resemble a pro wrestler.
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Thats because he went the basketball route. Lebron was a hell of a football player before giving it up his Junior year IIRc but he was scouted by colleges for football and many experts said he would have been a heck of an NFL TE. No matter point is people can be "freaks of nature" without using roids.
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No doubt. But NO ONE can achieve that physique naturally. At that age.
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I don't know, some people are just freaks of nature.
Look at LeBron for example. His body has physically matured and at a very young age. Think how big LeBron could get if he started lifting a football regimen of weights. I would guess he could get up to like 275-290 and just be ripped out of his mind. Some guys just have GREAT genes. LeBron is also just 23 years old (just turned), so I don't know how that supports your age theory.
It's not as if Gholston is 6'0'' with that kind of weight and body build. He's 6'4''......he's got a big frame. Also, if the guy was that jacked up on roids his face probably would not look as normal as it does. He'd probably be walking around looking like Shrek. 
The only Ohio State player I ever really thought was on steroids was Bobby Carpenter. That guy had a freakin bookshelf for an eyebrow. Seriously looked straight out of a museum. Looked like he was doing eyebrow curls.
Who knows, maybe Gholston is but unless you have some reliable information about it, I wouldn't just go tossing it around. I would guess if he was juicing, someone would have caught him by now. If not, I'm sure the NFL will.
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No doubt. But NO ONE can achieve that physique naturally. At that age.
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I don't know, some people are just freaks of nature.
Look at LeBron for example. His body has physically matured and at a very young age. Think how big LeBron could get if he started lifting a football regimen of weights. I would guess he could get up to like 275-290 and just be ripped out of his mind. Some guys just have GREAT genes. LeBron is also just 23 years old (just turned), so I don't know how that supports your age theory.
It's not as if Gholston is 6'0'' with that kind of weight and body build. He's 6'4''......he's got a big frame. Also, if the guy was that jacked up on roids his face probably would not look as normal as it does. He'd probably be walking around looking like Shrek.
Who knows, maybe he is but unless you have some reliable information about it, I wouldn't just go tossing it around.
I can't confirm anything but I do know from second and third hand info that it's easier to pass the college tests than the NFL tests.
And I've also heard that many big programs are chock full of roid users. Just about no one is innocent.
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And I've also heard that many big programs are chock full of roid users. Just about no one is innocent.
I don't doubt there are users but I remember reading about Gholston when he was coming out of HS. Wasn't he already something like 6'4'' nearly 240 pounds and built like a tank? He was benching nearly 400 pounds and squatting over 500 before he even stepped on campus.
It's not unnatural for a guy to put on 20 pounds of muscle in 3 years after he gets put on an intense strength and conditioning program and has all the nutritional resources he needs at his disposal. Actually, that's a little under the top 4-5% or so in terms of natural expected muscular gains.
I did a paper on sports nutrition in college and if I remember correctly, 6-8 pounds of lean muscle is about the maximum an average person can naturally put on in a calendar year. One thing that people don't keep in mind though is for every pound of muscle you put on, you're probably going to put on around .15-.25 lbs of fat as well.
So overall, your weight could naturally increase by about 9-10 pounds per year if you were on an incredibly strict workout program and you altered your eating habits. Some guys (like Gholston), who have genetics that are probably in the top 5% could probably even approach 13-14 pounds. Eventually that tapers off depending on frame, age and weight but for a kid that has a big frame, great genetics and is dedicated to maximizing his gains, nothing Gholston has done has been out of the ordinary according to scientific studies. The only reason I know this is because of sports nutrition 201. 
He may be juicing but looking at his size (photographs), as opposed to his yearly gains, isn't the best approach. Had he gone from 200 to 260 in 3 years it would be pretty obvious but he went from 239 to 262 according to rivals. If you coupled great genetics, a professional strength program and nutritional food tables, i would guess that any top flight athlete could put on 20-25 pounds in 3 years pretty easily (after coming out of high school).
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Homer much?
Jim Brown is the greatest of all time.
Look at the film...Chris Wells has the talent, upside, body, and running style to be the greatest RB of all time. He's a better version of Adrian Peterson.
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I'm just about the same age as him and I've been blessed with some pretty good genetics (I was #1 in the bench press, incline press and was top 5 or 10 in every other lifting test for my football team) and I'm nowhere NEAR what he looks like.
Do you play college football and have the very best workout facilitys and trainers and nutritionist availlable to you? Does your future entail playing football and working out? Comparing a person like you who works out as a hobby an someone who plays for a major NCAA program and will be in the NFL shortly is ridiculous. With the time and dedicatin it is very possible to be ripped without roids, thousands have done it before.
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I'm just about the same age as him and I've been blessed with some pretty good genetics (I was #1 in the bench press, incline press and was top 5 or 10 in every other lifting test for my football team) and I'm nowhere NEAR what he looks like.
Do you play college football and have the very best workout facilitys and trainers and nutritionist availlable to you? Does your future entail playing football and working out? Comparing a person like you who works out as a hobby an someone who plays for a major NCAA program and will be in the NFL shortly is ridiculous. With the time and dedicatin it is very possible to be ripped without roids, thousands have done it before.
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Freeman is coming back!!!!  Freeman to return for senior season By Doug Harris Staff Writer Sunday, January 13, 2008 COLUMBUS — Ohio State linebacker Marcus Freeman announced Saturday he's coming back for his senior season — and this time he means it. After saying last week he was staying for one more year, Freeman had a change of heart following the national title game. But after meeting with his parents, coach Jim Tressel and linebackers coach Luke Fickell, the Wayne High School grad said he has no more second thoughts. "The big thing is, you can regret leaving early, but you can't regret coming back," he said. "It was a tough decision. I went back and forth. One minute, I was thinking it was time to move on. When I was sitting on the bench after the game, I was saying, 'This is my last one.' "But you can't beat the atmosphere here. ... I just wasn't ready to move on and start another chapter in my life." Freeman, the Buckeyes' second-leading tackler, is scheduled to have an MRI done this week to see whether he'll need knee surgery to repair a torn meniscus, and he might not have been able to work out for NFL scouts much before the draft. But he said that wasn't a factor. "If I was ready to go, I could have gone with a hurt knee or not," he said. Freeman joins cornerback Malcolm Jenkins and receiver Brian Robiskie among juniors passing up a shot at the pros. The Buckeyes are still awaiting decisions from left tackle Alex Boone and linebacker James Laurinaitis, who have until Tuesday to enter the draft. Alex Boone met with his mother Saturday night to discuss his future. "He'll know for sure by Monday," Amy Boone said. Laurinaitis, a potential top-10 pick, also was meeting with family Saturday in Columbus. And Freeman said his teammate has been agonizing over his decision. "I don't know with him," Freeman said. "Sometimes I get the vibe he's coming back and sometimes I get the vibe he's leaving. I'm as anxious to find out as anyone else." http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content...308freeman.html
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While I always like seeing guys come back to school, his thinking seems a bit flawed.
If you pull a Willis McGahee are you gonna regret coming back?
I think the decision is probably a give or take between the positives and negatives of education vs. financials. If he's not coming back because he wants his degree, he might as well not risk his future earning potential based on the fact that he may regret not having played one more year of college football. If you don't want your degree, go get paid and revisit it at a later date.
Just my opinion but it seems a bit silly to me to pass up what can be guaranteed financial security for the rest of your life (if you manage it correctly).
Not saying he's making a bad choice, just that he may not have been looking at it from a practical standpoint. Playing another year for free just to play (and not graduate), is a completely unnecessary gamble with your future.
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It's just as easy to get hurt doing anything. I place no value on financial future. When was the last time a top 32 pick went back to school instead, and lost his future to injury,..? The money will always be there if you're good enough, and lucky enough to stay healthy. Freeman is probably not a high pick, has an MRI coming up, and maybe just wants to finish his education. Why is that " flawed " thinking ? Hopefully, it will convince Laurinaitus to stay too, but my guess is you want him to bolt early also.
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[I know a thing or two about this stuff since lifting and bodybuilding nutrition is one of my hobbies. I know what's natural and what isn't, especially for his age.
I'm just about the same age as him and I've been blessed with some pretty good genetics (I was #1 in the bench press, incline press and was top 5 or 10 in every other lifting test for my football team) and I'm nowhere NEAR what he looks like.
Do you play college football and have the very best workout facilitys and trainers and nutritionist availlable to you? Does your future entail playing football and working out? Comparing a person like you who works out as a hobby an someone who plays for a major NCAA program and will be in the NFL shortly is ridiculous. With the time and dedicatin it is very possible to be ripped without roids, thousands have done it before.
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Oh man, I totally missed Ammos post, thanks for bringing that to my attention, classic. Another pure comic gold post from Ammo. I love it.
Hey if you guys don't wanna believe me that's your choice. But I know more on this subject than you think I know. i have some pretty reliable information.
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