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That's why I am scrutinizing this coaching staff to the fullest. IF they don't show they can lead a professional team onto the field, I want a full revamp to go with the shiny new QB. That will hopefully give the QB a full 5 years to grow with a competent staff.

Let's play the "what if" game. What if the Browns have two top 5 picks? What if Stafford continues to decline and the Rams defense continues to decline? What if McVay's contract extension has an out? What if the Browns could get McVay from the Rams in return for their first round pick we received for Garrett?

None of this is feasible of course, but I do want a competent coaching staff in place in 2027 to go along with the QB that is drafted. I don't want the new QB to be on his second HC and OC going into his second year of his rookie deal. Rip the band aid off at year end if Monken and company do not look a lot more competent than they did Sunday. Find the next plausible McVay if you can't get the man himself. That doesn't mean the next man down McVay's coaching staff list...

Agreed!! They must step up against the best competition on their schedule.

I see what you're getting at and won't totally dismiss it. But even Josh Allan faced teams like Nebraska, Oregon and Iowa. He also faced Boise St. who were ranked #13 at the time.

I think it seems logical for NFL scouts to more heavily weigh how a college QB plays against his better competition than they would his weaker opponents. Less pressure and looser coverage makes it much harder to see what a QB would do in more stressful situations when facing far more adversity.


That's what we're both looking for. I think where we differ is I don't think I'm going to find out the answer to that question without heavily basing it on if he can do that against his best competition.

When you're playing a nobody team, you aren't facing much pressure. The coverage isn't as good on your WR's. It's much easier to get in your comfort zone and not be forced out if it.

For me the only way you can tell how a QB will perform under duress is when he is no longer in his comfort zone.

I don't know what to make of Mensah yet. The touch and accuracy look great throwing into huge windows. I'd like to see more of the ability to rifle it into tight windows accurately. He's great with the club he's been using, just still trying to see what other clubs he has in his bag. Malachi Toney is roasting people.

You called it when you stated Haslam got involved, BUT, BUT, how can ANY organization miss/ or ignor character defects like Manziel and Watson brought to a team- one was a drug addict and other a sex addict.....and we paid a huge price for giving them the keys to team. One, Watson, had proved himself at pro level----but got hurt/ lost lots of time due to sex problem.....BOTH were obtained when the "team culture" stated character was important. BS.

No college Qb is a guarantee. I like big, strong guys- J Allen is my current heart throb.....Mayfield is/was too small, he's been hurt, gotten paid, but is a second tier Qb. Manning has the blood lines, and won a big game, he is on the radar of Haslam and lots of other teams. If he has no character flaws, I think he's about the best we'd have drafted in 50 years.

I realize just because a college QB is 6'5 and 230 LBS. doesn't mean he can play in the NFL, but I would like to see our next QB be at least 6'3 and 220-225. At least in this scenario we don't have to question the physical aspect. Of course, he needs to have the traits of an NFL QB.

My fav college Qb is CJ Carr ND
Still has some deveopement to do
I think he comes out after next season rather than this one


Mestemaker Okahoma St is an exciting prospect too
Also needs developement - very inexperienced
Anticipate he plays next season in college as well

Perfect example is Bryce Underwood, he has the comeback… against lowly Western Michigan AND the big win against Oklahoma, yet he doesn’t look like a NFL QB.

CJ Carr looks the part on all levels, but he hasn’t been challenged yet.

Manning looks like the best prospect of the last 10 years… then he doesn’t … then he does again. Same with Moore.

You aren’t going to get the perfect example in college ball. There just isn’t enough consistent competition to KNOW you found the right one. This year though, we have several that have traits consistent with successful NFL QBs. There could be more than one come out of this draft to become really good starting players.

I certainly agree with this...............


If there were perfect examples and air tight methods to identify the best QB's in every draft there wouldn't be nearly as many first round QB busts. All you can do is look at how they preform under pressure and their skill set then try to decide how that will transfer in the NFL.

T times, Dart comes close, especially given his youth.

Just watched OS Sayin- he throws a nice ball BUT- as the commentators pointed out, he doesn't see the whole field AT ALL. He locks on to his first read and throws it.....one pass thrown to Smith/well covered- there was a guy running COMPLETELY free in middle of field and he never gave the guy a glance- and easy touchdown missed......I would NEVER draft him.....his mind isn't quick enough.......I ain't saying I'm quick, just he doesn't have field vision.

Manning did the same thing in the OSU-Texas game, he didn't see wide open receivers numerous times because he was locked on to his first read plus he took a sack when he should have thrown the ball away. I'm going to try to watch some games of Moore (Oregon), Mensah (Miami), and Carr (Notre Dame) since we will obviously be taking a QB early in next year's draft and hopefully one of them looks a little more NFL ready.

j/c...

Kamario Taylor is insane and is incredible to watch. Not sure Miss. State will be able to keep him.

Get him in the 2029 draft!

Wow. Look at the fundamentals! Great footwork, both hands on the ball with the nose tucked up by his ear. Looks like Dan Marino with a set of wheels! And the ball jumps out of his hand.

We should have (5) 1st round draft picks by then, sign me up!

Lol.

Is there any possibility AB drafts Jeremiah Smith with his first pick and draft LaNorris Sellers later in the first round?

Always a possibility. It depends on where that second 1st rounder is positioned and how many QBs actually declare. It also depends on how the rookie WR's on our roster play.

We did invest in the WR position. I am not sure we will do so again this year if they play well.

Bone I watched Mateer yesterday. He didn't look very good. So far this season he's been very average.

Now we just need him to go up against a team with an actual defense.

Stanford ranked 111
Florida A&M ranked 108
Wake Forest ranked 71
Central Michigan ranked 55

Clemson next up on the schedule ranked 68
Florida State after that ranked 128
THEN FINALLY... Pitt comes in at #16 nationally (Though they have played Miami OH/UCF/Syracuse/Bucknell, so might want to take that with a grain of salt)

The true test will be in a marquee matchup with Notre Dame, who is currently #1 ranked in defense. Irish have played (3) B1G teams and Rice.

Irish Vs Hurricanes will also feature CJ Carr, whom I think is a better prospect than Mensah overall.

We have to wait until November 7th to see it unfortunately!!

This goes here. A thumbnail of all the major qb’s thru 4 games. Chambliss is still studding out. Apart from one pretty golden moment I’m sure a few here will (always) remember, Manning looking like he may still need a year at this point. Moore hasn’t been great and now a concussion. Mensah wasn’t really on my radar, is now. Sellers looking very average.

It’s still early but interesting: Linkipoo

'Peen, cogent observation. I like the pick, especially if the QB's look strong early. What you describe is doable and circle back for a favorite or best player available. Which current roster receiver could he replace and outperform? Does his size, his speed, his hands and blocking fit Monken's ideal? I think he can make a difference in the statistical play of the next QB who is NOT DW. I want him and I can settle for someone growing into QB position. How many more of his caliber do you expect in next few drafts. Two questions: One: Is he special? Two: Is he special enough for a move this major? I say yes. A player this solid strikes me as some comfort over one shot crapshoot with a QB who may bust. The metric for pay scale is attractive in comparison as well.

AI responses may include mistakes. it says that on every search.

Real life people like GM's make mistakes.

I'm not about the march for Arch, just Sayin

Lol

I trust the draft guys more than I trust AI. They have all the metrics and then some.

I am not saying he doesn't look to be the next great WR.

A few thoughts on this situation. How high would we need to be in order to draft Smith? He probably won't go #1. Too many teams will be looking QB. I don't see out of the top 3 in the draft. At least right now we won't be picking that high. As good as the guy might be, I wouldn't trade the other 1st rounder for Smith and it would probably take that. I could see the Jets taking him 1st overall if they hold that pick because they have several more 1st rounders to get a QB as well.

Along these lines, what if we don't draft a QB in the 1st? What if we just use the other 1st rounders to keep building the team at other positions and look QB in the 2nd round or just go the FA QB route or trade route? Bone posted up a list of top names according to AI at this point. All aren't going to be drafted in round one. A guy like Gabriel might be Purdy like if we build around the QB position. I don't have any idea what QB's are slated to be free agents. Maybe we look there?

We do have other needs than at QB. A stud corner and another O lineman would look pretty good as drafted players. I know people love Judkins and I like him as well, but he isn't what I would call a stud. Maybe we look there?

In conclusion, what I am saying is if the wins don't stop at 3 or 4 and move up towards 8, maybe a QB isn't as slam dunk as we think. At least a 1st round QB.

I would remove Nico Iamleava from your list. Adter what he did to Jimmy Haslam's Tennessee Volunteers I do not think Jimmy would ever give Berry the go ahead to draft that kid.

Does it include strength of schedule and NCAA defensive ratings?

Reminder of Mensah's current state of opponent:
Stanford ranked 111
Florida A&M ranked 108
Wake Forest ranked 71
Central Michigan ranked 55
Clemson ranked 68
Florida State next ranked 128
THEN FINALLY... Pitt comes in at #16 nationally (Though they have played Miami OH/UCF/Syracuse/Bucknell, so might want to take that with a grain of salt)
The true test will be in a marquee matchup with Notre Dame, who is currently #7 ranked in defense. Irish have played (3) B1G teams and Rice.

To compare to my pick of the litter, CJ Carr
Wisconsin ranked #29
Rice ranked #105
Michigan State ranked #67
Purdue ranked #130
North Carolina ranked #43
with upcoming;
BYU #17
MIAMI now #1

If anyone wants to look at what QB play looks like in NCAA that can (not guaranteed mind you) translate to the NFL, watch the Miami vs Notre Dame game November 8th! This is a marquee match up of arguably the two best QBs going against two of the best defenses in the NCAA.

BTW, I do think Manning has a nice career ahead of him in the NFL. He has fixable issues, but I believe he is going to end up being as good as his uncle Eli.