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3 & 2.

Dewand Jones would be better if he just fell down at the line. Has zero ability to move.

How we played today shouldn’t surprise anybody. Same old same old.

same letdown down game against a winnable opponent...Browns let the media get to their heads and got too cocky

The Browns always seem to play down to the level of competition of the bad teams they play against. Today was definitely no exception.

- Vegas had this game pegged. The underlying metrics all favored the Jets and bad football finally caught up with the Browns.

- The special teams were not complementary.

- Bond doesn't do it for me. I put him in the replaceable category.

- Browns have had a hard time getting Fannin involved in this offense.

- Quincy Williams wanted to win. Bad.

We'll see how this team bounces back at home next week against the Ravens.

Offensive line lost the game for us, and we missed our two defensive tackles. We’re still better that most of us thought we would be, but the playoff talk can hold for now. This was not on Watson.

Monken's play calls rival that of Stefanski when he was here. One of these years we will actually get a great Offensive Coordinator who can put together an solid game plan and consistently call great plays especially in important situations.

Bond dropping 3 balls and 2 on important 3rd down conversions is inexcusable. Our tackles are trash. Our Oline coach does not know how to prepare his guys and put them into the right positions. How may times today did rushers come in completely untouched? 5-6?

Watson had an OK game but still will get happy feet the millisecond when he sees a rush. The constant shotgun is horrible for our running game and it shows. Not getting Fannin involved early and often was a huge mistake.

Defense played very well other than the first quarter. They gave the Offense every opportunity to win the game. Play calling after the Defense getting multiple turnovers was absolutely pathetic. Ward had a rough game. Williams balled out. He's been a great pickup. Verse is seemingly like more of a rotational player. Glad we got high draft picks for him.

I knew we would lose this game all week honestly. It was the biggest letdown game coming, along with the weather ... and then we lose KC early and it felt like Boston was our only shot to make a play

I'm highly concerned about the OL (obviously) and Judkins (he seems SOOO slow). The run game is like invisible.

The drops are highly concerning too - Bond blew an opportunity to be a hero today

Man that offensive line is pathetic, doesn't look any better than last years.

Bond is scared to go over the middle, at least that is how it looked to me. He usually doesn't make those drops when he's the outside guy.

And Bojo has to catch that snap, yes it was high but went right thorugh his hands.


Can't blame Watson for this one.

Just disappointed.

Jones is a sled.

I am as well, but trying to not hang my head too much.

I figured we would be 1-4 right now with this game being our only win.lol

Last week we were as good as we could be this week we were as bad !
Just remember we are still capable of winning 3 in a row again
Now let’s talk game analytics they stopped Boston
Now let’s scheme him open against ravens then web would be 1 game up in the loss column on roadkill and Stoolers.

I agree on Bond. I think I would rather see floriea activated, if he is even still on the PS. I am starting to feel that way about Judkins. He has no patience or vision. He just runs in to the line no matter if there is a hole or not.

Watson once again put us in a position to win, then we recover a fumble and do nothing. Three plays used up 9 seconds of clock. Maybe it was even less.

Floriea had one quick tryout with an NFL team, but wasn't even signed to a practice squad.

Trent Richardson 2.0 vibes. Bring back Joe Banner to trade Judkins for a 1st round pick.

It appeared like we did NOT want any part of the rain (just my hunch as I was watching the game). It definitely seemed to affect our team more than theirs

can we trade Bond for Quincy Morgan?

Judkins has been disappointing but the run blocking is so putrid it would take a Nick Chubb type guy to gain yards behind them. they don't create holes, they create a brick wall.

Judkins left the game in a walking boot, and Sanders left with a hip injury lol

So I guess it's up to McLaughlin next week.

Sampson should be back next week.

I had a bad feeling about this game and was frankly not surprised. Jets are another team that’s a QB and a couple players away from being real. They have some real talent. To me they’re very similar to the Browns.

Our OL is still not very good. We still need a RT and a guard/center who can run block. Judkins is a fine runner, he’s plenty good enough, but we just can’t run block. Until we can run effectively, the O will be undependable.

I live about 10 miles from Met Life and it was pissing all game. It was maybe not so clear on TV but it was nasty out there. Lots of flooding in the area.

I agree about the Jets being similar to the Browns. I also think Judkins is a good back. There was nothing wrong with him last season up until he got injured and our OL was worse last year. Maybe he’s not 100 % healthy from his injury. The thing I don’t like about this game is that we seemed to regress which is exactly what most Browns teams in the past have done. Same old stuff.

This loss wasn’t on Watson, however, he has always had ball security issues. I don’t think it’s coachable or fixable at this point in his career.

Can I just say 1 good thing .... that being Quincey Williams. WOW! What a game for the guy. 3 forced funbles. Really? 11 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 PD. He played a great game.

He deserved the dub, a shame he didn't get it.

Meh.

It was the game Vegas saw coming and I foolishly let hope cloud my vision!! We definitely regressed to our average or a little below it.

Maybe their DL was the best we faced or maybe it was the rain - or a combination of both. And when they continued to blitz with the CB or S - it wasn't until the 4th Q that we seemed to adjust to help out with extra personnel to help. But our OL was overmatched and out physicaled all day.

I think Q is still not 100% - and I think nearly any back would have issues with the lack of running lanes we create.

Fitzpatrick is dirty - and he had two personal fouls and still in the game. Did he even get a warning? I believe it would be worth investigating a rule change: if a team commits a foul and a player on the other team is injured as a result of the play - the person committing the foul is out for as long as the other player. KC being out hurt. He might not of had too many attempts but I think he might of created some RAC yards in those conditions.

As others have mentioned - I am a bit surprised we didn't seem to be able to get the ball to Fannin.

Watson wasn't bad but given the constant pressure he held the ball too long and took too many sacks. Someone mentioned the play calling being Stefanski like ... there were maybe 3 or 4 'cute' plays or plays that were always going to fail because they took too long to develop ... I thought of those Stefanski in those moments but overall given the conditions and losing KC, I really didn't hate the play calling. The TD to Boston being a prime example. 3rd and 10 on their 29.

On D - we didn't do too badly but we struggled vs the run and didn't seem to adjust. And on their 4th down TD - the DL and LB were stacked on the left and before the play was run and the announcer said something about they might be able to run for a 1st down, my exact words were 'if they rn they probably score a TD'. That made me as frustrated as anything else in the game. It seemed such a self inflicted wound.

Ravens are going to be very tough. They are a much better team than the Jets. I'll be hoping for no injuries and to get healthy to play the Titans. The Titans who just got whooped by the previously winless Texans....

I was thinking he was on our PS.

So much for the theory we are Cleveland and love the bad weather.

Just a general comment so people don't take a comment of mine to some extreme. It's not that I think Judkins stinks. He doesn't. The problem is he is a straight line runner. He just plows ahead to the planned hole even if there isn't a gap. Sometimes that is OK if you need a yard, but the guy is stiff.

We have 3 WR on the practice squad, but he is not one of them.


https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/players-roster/

Krys Barnes
43 LB 6-2 229 28 7 UCLA

Myles Bryant
27 CB 5-9 192 28 7 Washington

Michael Coats Jr.
39 CB 5-9 184 25 R West Virginia

Obinna Eze
68 OT 6-8 325 28 2 TCU

Logan Fano
99 DE 6-4 252 24 R Utah

John FitzPatrick
87 TE 6-7 262 26 5 Georgia

Jimmy Horn Jr.
19 WR 5-8 174 24 2 Colorado

Sam Kamara
92 DT 6-0 272 28 4 Stony Brook

KT Leveston
72 T 6-4 335 27 3 Kansas State

Zion Logue
69 DT 6-6 325 25 1 Georgia

Bub Means
81 WR 6-2 215 25 3 Pittsburgh

Jaret Patterson
41 RB 5-8 195 26 2 Buffalo

James Proche II
80 WR 5-11 193 30 8 SMU

Khordae Sydnor
90 DE 6-4 264 23 R Vanderbilt

Nadame Tucker
60 DE 6-3 250 26 R Western Michigan

Zion Washington
30 S 6-1 208 23 R Boise State

Chris Williams
61 DT 6-2 298 28 5 Wagner

I don't feel too happy this morning. It was nice to get up the last 3 weeks knowing that we had won. As bad as we played at times we did come back late and took the lead. Then the mistakes we're known for reared their ugly head. Missed extra point, not being able to move the ball and kill the clock and that terrible fumble on the punt try. That sick feeling in my stomach that I've known all too well over the years. A very winnable game we let get away. 4-1 would have been great this morning.

to make matters worse, Schwesinger in a walking boot after the game is not great news

"No shake, no jiggle". And now this year, we combine a straight-ahead runner with super-happy-feet and indecisiveness.

I would have happy feet behind that oline

Travis Prentice flashbacks

Yep. lol