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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can’t? I’m still waiting to wake up!!!!!!

I was just going to type that. Piece of cake, just trying to make it interesting.

I was very happy for Szymt that he got a second chance to redeem himself.

A big win for the Defense ! Who needs Junkin or Sampson , lol.. Watson is still hard to watch .. improve Judy's trade value

Bob Prince the old Pittsburgh Pirate announcer used to say after they just one a close game “ We had them all the way”. lol 😂

We have a D. WOW

Culture might be changing.

Past Browns teams would have folded and just got blown out after those first 2 drives the Ravens had to start the game.

Yes, Carson being able to play made a difference. I don't mean to point to one player after the way our D played, but man, he is impressive.

And cambell

I am astounded. This win puts the "giddy" in my "giddy-up" for this week. FIRST PLACE!

Never doubted we could win this one. Going to the kitchen and hoist a cold one or two as my thanks to Ravenkiller; he had to have worked up a thirst today. Salute to you dude. Believeland!

Yep, I shouldn't single anyone out because numerous Browns defenders stood out today.

Nice
Carson for MVP

As the coach said......"Eff that!"

This was one of those games that we had no business winning - but somehow we did. One player that I want to mention is Jeudy - he has had some tough moments and comments etc, but he's continued to show up and it paid off in the clutch today

I agree about Jeudy. Let's face it he's been cast aside a bit and could have sulked but he didn't and every time we've needed him, he's stepped up. Forget trading him we need him on our team as a leader to the younger guys. He's setting an example.

Same here. After the first 2 Ravens possessions I thought we were dead in the water. Quick observation. When we lost Jim Schwartz and traded Myles we all pretty much thought our D would take a step or 2 back. I'm not casting shade on either one. JS is a very good coach and Myles a great player and I respect them both but we're not really missing either one. Heck, if we kept Myles he wouldn't have been playing anyway because of his injury. Mike Ruttenberg may be a really good DC.

It's better to win ugly than to lose in a scorcher.

I had absolutely no faith in this team at all and even dozed off at halftime. I awoke moments after we scored the touchdown to tie it up; so I saw the end, but I missed everything in between.

I would be ecstatic if we added an ugly win by the Indians to the ugly wins by tOSU and the Browns; it'd be a great weekend hat trick.

Not relevant to our post game, but the Rams just lost and sit at 2-4. I can only hope they keep sliding.

4-2 is incredible and we have had some really good luck so far. But it is mind boggling to think if not for a bad punt snap, we would be 5-1 with the Titans coming up. Watson has not been great, but with this defense, maybe he doesn’t have to be. I just hope the offensive line will keep getting better.

It just occurred to me that the Browns had the lead for zero seconds in today's game.

D had a great day. But those 3rd and longs they let them convert over and over were maddening.

When Carson Schlesinger goes out and plays hurt like that, how can guys like Kalia Davis, Mike Hall and Tevin Jenkins look at themselves in the mirror? Although I give Hall credit for going back into the Steelers game, I just don’t see why he had to take the next two games off. And please just cut Tevin Jenkins.

- Great win today.

- The team never quits.

- Nice redemption opportunity for Szmyt.

- Estime finds the endzone!

- Great game and kudos to Schwesinger for paying through injury.

Lastly, somebody pay this poor man...

The Browns could just as easily be 0-6 as 4-2. But they have a defense and just enough offense to keep in the game. 2 divisional wins. Carry on.

We seem to have three liget receivers

I was thinking about that last night and wonder how much of this team's late game offensive success is due to going 3 wide. The WRs on this team are 2 1st rounders and a high 2nd round pick. For 3 quarters for the most part the team tries to stay balanced and play some sort of smash mouth football and then in the 4th when the game warrants go 3 wide and Watson all of a sudden look much better. Might be defenses are just struggling covering 3 talented receivers and things open up for Watson because of that.

I know it - we led for exactly 0 seconds. Even the final play was held with 0's on the clock because of the penalty. It's a record that can never be broken.

I think we all know that the offense's ineptitude is not sustainable. I mean, we were HORRIFIC for the first 3 quarters ... and just average until the last drive. I hope we can find a semblance of a run game to help quell the weaknesses.

Didn't watch the game - saw highlights (which were few!).

But winning ugly beats the hell out of losing after having the lead and/or looking good. And oh how I hope the Rams continue to struggle.

This is how I like to feel on Monday mornings

Enjoying a Browns "W"

I certainly was saying "WTF" a lot yesterday lol

The D had a few dropped interceptions was one reason

And the other was the Browns receivers not getting separation.

I saw a few times where they ran up to and just stopped next to the Ravens defensive player and stood there making no moves or effort to separate to give Watson a target

I also saw Verse tackling runners and receivers and playing a more all around defensive game unlike Myles who let RB's and receivers run past him so he could go get a sack for his personal record.

There are a few things with more playing time should help with the penalties and separation issues

The run game sure help with the O side of the ball and a great game by the ST's and Defense made for an exciting last minuet WIN !

Nice win . I thought our running game was better and I also thought that the safety who replaced Delpit ,Mcneil/warren, was an upgrade and played well.

This might be the funniest stat I've heard.

I don't think we have the Oline to play smash mouth style, try as we may.

We need to find the best available road grader guard on the market.

Well, it beats the hell out of leading for the entire 60:00 and then seeing this.

I don’t think the issue with the run game is necessarily the line. We have an inept passing game so teams don’t feel threatened by the pass and sell out for the run. Look how many times Hamilton, a free safety, completely ignored the pass. On top of that Judkins isn’t very good. I wouldn’t rush bringing him back and would start every single RB on the roster over him.

Until the offense can get the pass going in some semblance of professional football, the run game will struggle.

I would just like to thank the Cleveland Browns defense for a great win yesterday.

I am SHOCKED that the defense is playing as well as it has been. I thought with the Schwartz drama and bringing in a new DC that we would be hitting reset on an extremely effective unit. And week 1 was looking to be confirmation of that theory, but here we are playing stellar defense and now we have an offense that is capitalizing (albeit the absolute bare minimum) to turn those defensive efforts into wins.

Sad but true I think

One other thing as I'm thinking this morning: we really need to get Fannin involved more. He's been AWOL the last few weeks and is a big part of our offense

Prior to Game 1, we were expected to be drafting high and the Rams at the bottom of Rd 1. After 6 games the positions are reversed (although it may only be temporary). Well as long as one of our two draft picks is in a prime spot, we can be very thankful that it is the Rams and not us....lol

Haha, I got a JOK as soon as soon as they shelved him for the year again. I'm almost certain, that means retirement. Great player, great leader, goes to show injuries can derail any player type or level in the blink of an eye.

Deepest in the season the Browns have been in first place since 2014, when they led the division in week 10.

Agreed, Schwesinger is what I envisioned JOK to become. He plays at a very high level for 4 quarters.

The only jersey I have since the Browns return is Joe Thomas. I don't regret it.

I find it hard to enjoy a browns win with watson as our qb
I am offended that we traded for him
I am offended that he is our starting qb
So when we win with him as qb, my reaction is: eh

I struggle to root for an organization that would sell its soul for a few wins

To be honest, if we sign him to another contract, I am done with the team.
Will I migrate to another team?
Probably not.
Most likely I will just give up ootball altogether

I would probably still hang out around here because I love interacting with you guys
Maybe I would start visiting the everything else thread

Ditto on the interacting part. The 'EE' thread has some good stuff...

I am away at a little over 3-week military course (One week left!). It’s been interesting, however very intensive work. I’d love to breakdown the games and post, however the most time I get - is to watch the game (or the replay) and read the board comments.

Go Browns!

Lets not play down to them!!!

I tend to agree on Judkins. He doesn't have any shift in his game. I am interested in seeing Sampson getting some legit opportunities when he comes back. He is a better back than Q.

Schwesinger is phenomenal. He is everything I have coveted and yearned for as a ILB for 20 years. I am pretty sure he was one on one with Zay Flowers for a passing down and got a pass break up or he simply smothered Flowers.... But I was only watching highlights and could have that wrong. Schwesing and Williams are a great pairing.

Judkins was pretty damn good as a rookie. He was better than Sampson last year when healthy. He's probably a one cut guy and does not have the shake and bake of Sampson, but I don't think Sampson is big enough to carry the load by himself. Judkins (when healthy) and Sampson are a very good 1-2 punch with different skill sets. I would like too see Judkins healthy before we decide he's "just a guy".

Was super happy to see KC come back and play tough after the dirty hit he got last week. A little bit of concern that we are into week 7 and we really have under utilized Fannin and continue to do so... the guy is a stud.

** Edit - BTW -- Browns up to 14th in the Athletic Power Rankings!!! Ravens #11 and Benggals #12 !! Steelers #16 ... AFC North doing AFC North things ... feels like yester-decade.

My guess is it's what other teams are doing to take him away early in the season. Just my hunch because I don't even see Watson look his way much

I think that Sampson and Judkins were drafted more as a one/two punch. Completely different styles to compliment each other. I don't think either one without the other completes your backfield. But to the extent I wouldn't consider Judkins the primary back I would agree. I think the two of them combined are complimentary backs.

I'm hoping that we have already done that and it's being kept from general knowledge.... Green developing before Nov 10 ....

I try and prepare myself for QB classes not being as advertised the season before the draft. I mean in a 24/7 news cycle hyping up the fans and getting them excited is a part of the game. Nothing excites fans of QB needy teams more than making them think they can find the answer as far as 4th, 5th or even 6th QB taken in the draft. It generates ratings.

I haven't really followed all the QB's in this draft class enough to say a lot about them. I can say I'm a huge buckeyes fan so I watch every game Sayin plays in. At the same time I try not to be so much of a homer that I let it influence my opinion of his play.

I had really high hopes for him after last season. I expected to see a lot of improvement from him this season. But that's not really what I'm seeing. He looks great and fits the part when playing against weaker opponents. But against top opponents he looks mediocre. And be it right or wrong I evaluate QB's according to who their opponents are.

There are no Kent State's in the NFL.

My apology in advance to all Kent state alumni who may be offended by my post.

Brady Quinn had the same problem. He played well against weak teams and lousy against good ones. We drafted him anyway. I hope we learned something from that.

Hate to agree with you on Sayin ,,,,,,, but you right .

I think winning 4 games out of the first six is going to prove an anomaly. I don't think we can continue to win on last drives of the game. Watson just isn't good enough to keep doing that.



As for college QBs, I have seen a lot to like out of this class. Everyone is expecting all of these guys to be the leader of the Heisman race and have 20 TDs in 6 games with no INTs.. It's an unrealistic expectation. The mechanics are there on many prospects, including Manning. I think Texas has a lot more to worry about than Manning. When Texas handed tOSU their only loss and Tennessee their only loss, it was different. Now that they are getting some key injuries and don't have the backup system of a tOSU, it's catching up to them. If other teams want to sit on Manning, I would still take him later in the draft. College doesn't have the luxury of developing a guy, pro teams do.

As for those that "look the part" to everyone else. Mensah and Carr look pro ready right now. Moore is still Moore, just on a team that lost 7 starters to the NFL draft and don't have the system to replace them. I would still be very happy with Dante Moore.

Chambliss is going to have the same connotation as Sayin, a little smaller than a typical NFL QB. Doesn't mean I wouldn't want either one of them based on their tape.

To throw more into the mix, that many aren't talking about. Jayden Maiava is having one helluva year on a fairly bad USC team. He is doing what is needed to keep the sticks moving and put points on the board. They have won some games, they had no business winning. Ethan Grunkemeyer is looking like a real NFL prospect for those teams that are out of the first round sweepstakes. He could end up being a diamond in the rough if he forgoes his senior season.

Expectations are what sets you up for disappointment. If you expected 7 QBs to be the best QB in college, well...



First off.. I am a proud Golden Flash.. you didn't offend me. We got to see them play every weekend, we know what they are.

As for Sayin, he was on pace to break every stat he set last year except completion percentage. The "good opponents" he had his team in position to win both games. Both games were on the road in hostile crowds. They were 1-1 and he had his worst games statistically for completion percentage, but besides that they were better than the average college QB. When games against Texas and Indiana translates to mediocre compared to other QBs against even less talent.. Then he more than likely doing something more right than what you are seeing.Sayin just doesn't have the size, I fear, to excel at the next level.


All in all, 7 weeks into a still young season, I am very optimistic about this draft class, as far as translation to the NFL game. With the injury, it's a moot point because he will most likely return for another year of college ball.

Folks have stopped posting for a number of reasons. For me, I

People stop posting for any number of reasons. Personally, I never felt much of a need to get into the gameday forum. As for the rest of the threads... I dunno, I guess I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak. I wouldn't have argued with anyone who was saying we'd have this many wins by the end of the year... but more than that, it's the way we're doing it. Defense carrying the water and then the offense coming through in the end. I'm trying to wrap my head around it all.

I like Chambliss the college player and I think he is the only one that is going to ultimately challenge Smith for the Heisman, but his size, like Sayin, will alter his trajectory in the NFL.

Mensah will be the top pick if he continues to play like he is now when he meets Notre Dame. Everyone is hyping Mensah based on winning against Florida State.. news flash.. FSU is not good this year, in fact they are bad. Notre Dame will be the showcase for both he and Carr. They could both come out of the game looking like top 5 picks, no matter who actually wins the game.

I didn't say he wasn't doing some things right. Just not enough against top opponents. Believe what you will, he'll need to show more progress against better teams. Throwing two int's in a game isn't good by any normal standards. When your defense holds your opponent to 15 points, "being in a position to win" isn't all that much about the QB.

Sort of like a 13-10 win isn't.

and it looks like that is the plan with the 2 new guys
and it looks like that is the plan with the 2 new guys

would it be like Judkins and Sampson on a few series then

Estime and McLaughlin on another few series

Trade a QB to make that happen would be what it would take to do that ?

Honest question I don't know

Pass break up by Ward was a great cheme and a great play. Often we seem to struggle more in zone coverage - I wonder if we disguise the D play as much as this on a lot of zone plays or whether this was dialled up because of Huntley playing.

The two throws to the WR - highlight the good catches but also highlight quite bad throws when DW was not under pressure. The Boston play in particular had YAC if he'd hit him in stride.