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We tried. Sadness.

Do we get rid of Shedeur or Monken .. maybe both.

Defense had the game in its hands with 2 minutes left in the game. Blew it.
Offense bailed them out bringing the game to OT.

Defense let them go right down the field for the TD.

We need defensive help.

This line and QB room are straight trash. And Sanders is a backup at best. Ship the whole room in the offseason except maybe Greene.

Carson
Schwesinger

Tackles
15
Sacks
2
Forced Fumbles
1

We didn’t take a chip shot FG earlier. It would have won us the game. It took a while but Shedeur played better as the game went on and really good in the 4th quarter.

Our receivers made Sanders look better than he actually was. In fact, I thought he was pretty bad. Hopefully we get Watson back.

Our OL is below average.

We made Audric Estime look like an RB1.

Penalites. Penalties. Penalties.

I think we win this game if Watson started. Tough loss.

It's a shame we lost that one. That TD by Fannin was superb effort on his part.

Gameball for Fannin.

This team is lucky to be 5-4 at this point. Offense has a LONG way to go. Cant run, cant protect and we rely on hero balls and crazy plays to score points. We have no QB on the roster that will start next year and we will win enough games to to be picking the 4th QB on the board in the draft. Could have used Miles 3 sacks he had today.. I sure hope the picks we got for him turn to gold cause Verse looks like he would rather be elsewhere.

Shedeur was horrible. How many times was he standing there holding the ball with a dumbfounded look on his face until the play fell apart? He's not an NFL qb.

Those stiff arms by Fannin were epic.

I feel like we are now in the danger zone of playing for nothing with QBs who won't be around

The defense really let us down in the last 2-3 drives. Pass rush non existent and unable to get Shough down when the opportunities arose.

The game boiled down to three failures by our O: 4th and goal, 4th and 2, and 2 point conversion failure

Yes x 2. Shedeur is basically the little engine that can't. We should rename him Shedon't and just be done with this experiment. He's basically Spergon Wynn without the arm strength.

Just. Be. Done. The chances of him being a fQB aren't much better than mine. All he can be is a distraction. I like the kid, I hope he goes on to have a decent career as a b/u if that's at all possible.


Fanin will be handed the Angry Runs Scepter this week if there is any justice in the world.

Is that what you took from this game ? How about the lack of plays to Fannin until over time ? How about the OL not showing up again.. And the list goes on , on the offensive side of the ball.. Fannin is a YAC machine with enough targets MOKEN .. Sure we need D line help ; but I am not going pin the loss on them..

Watching this game

Makes me

Wonder about the HC calling plays

The Browns need a real OC

I can't watch Shedeur flush the clean pocket and run right for 8 more games lol. He's very irritating to watch for me

I will say, the trio of Boston, Concepcion, and Fannin seems very promising.

I'm going to stop reading the Plain Dealer .. they claim Shedeur made a case to stay as the starter.... Mary Kay has never seen a backup QB she didn't love ...

This team is playing hard for Monken. The question is . How long does Andrew Berry continue
To have a GM job ? Ive seen better GMs get fired.
He has failed to build a strong oline or bring a franchise QB to town .
If you dont have those 2 things .there your franchise will never be contenders

Has anyone watched the Falcons ?? Stephanski is not calling plays this year ...

I expect the Sporting Press will be chock full of glowing assessments of Sanders' Pro Bowl Veteran level of play. None of it will be based in reality. We probably would have won that one with Watson under center, and that in itself is kinda sad.

Yeah Bone, that looked terrible.

I wanted a well disguised KC jet sweep. I DID NOT want Sanders throwing the ball or a run up the middle.

I hate to say it but SS is not the future QB for us. His future is as a backup not a starter.

- The Browns are bad football team with a few players to keep things interesting.

- The OL is not good. Specifically, Tytus Howard is junk.

- Loved Boston before the draft and love him after. It's nice to have a true X receiver. Thumbs up for Concepcion, too!

- Szymt was excellent.

- Defense cannot stop the run. It's pitiful.

- Won the TO battle 2-0 and still managed to lose.

- Pretty nice game from Harden. Carson Scjwesinger same.

- Double digit penalties.....again.

- Jared Verse....Time to bring in the Bobs for a chat...

[quote=MemphisBrownie]Our receivers made Sanders look better than he actually was. In fact, I thought he was pretty bad. /quote]

He was better than I thought he would be, but his 2 deep balls were terribly underthrown. Boston make a great catch high pointing the ball and Ceoncepcion was great coming back for the ball.

The Jerry Jeudy ball worked but was everything that still concerns me about SS. He faded backwards, again, at the first sign of pressure, then threw the ball falling backward, with a defender in his face. He threw it to an area and just hoped. It reminded me of him when he played at Colorado passing to Hunter.

He may get better, but we were told in the offseason was how much he worked on his game.

How do you know there was a lack of plays to Fannin?

Maybe he was covered, and if so, Sanders couldn't make a second read.

Maybe Fannin was the second read, and we all know Sanders can't progress that far. No, he'd rather back pedal, spin, turn, and run.

Well, I came here with one question having not seen the game: how was Sanders? I’m glad I did and didn’t just trust the Plain Dealer.

Things were so bad last year with the OL that we thought anything would be better. And we are marginally better but Texans and Rams fans/press were pretty harsh about Titus and Zion and I feel like we largely ignored it. But here we are.

Look, I don’t suspect Sanders, Watson, and probably even Monken are here for the long haul. There’s a new stadium in 2-3 years. That’s the timeline. We’ve got some good parts but the QB and the coach and of course the OL are all still not resolved. We’ll see.

Things that have plagued us all season.

1. Cant stop the run
2. Cant run the ball
3. The number of penalties are getting worse rather then betted.

As long as these three things dont get fixed we will continue to spiral downwards.

Idc about the Falcons or cupcake Stephanski or what is happening in Atlanta

What I care about is the atrocious amounts of penalties on all three sides of the ball

Monken needs as a HC to focus on getting the team to Stop all the dumb penelties

Let an OC who can call plays to get the play makers the ball

And let the HC figure out why his team leads the league in penalties.

The Browns D leads the league in forced fumbles

That's because the DC makes the calls

The Saints have one of the worse defensive's in the league and the Browns could only score one TD

See my point ?

Sorry Arch , aint buying it .. Fannin should have been his first read not second or third.. Just my opinion.. And I dont know notin for sure ! lol

It was another game that we lost but should have won plain and simple.

The defense is the heralded part og this team, with a couple of superb performances today. That said, they broke at the end of regulation, after we tok the lead ... and they broke in OT, tpo lose the game. The run defense made Estime, fresh of our emergencty RB list, look like far better than he should have. We allowed 160 yards rushing. The Saints were hardly anything approaching remotely capable with their run game prior to today.

If you want to be a great defense, the performances of the last few weeks just cannot happen.

I don't excuse the offense, but frankly they gave us more than I expected. The defense really let us down.

I do admit that I am concerned about our super slow starts on offense as well, though.

Yea, I agree about our receivers.

It's too early for the All-22 to be out. However, I would be shocked if receivers weren't open throughout the game. They have been open or NFL open a high percentage of the year.

Watson hasn't been perfect and he's had his time of holding onto the ball. However...there were plenty of times where it was ball snapped, drop back, and pulling the trigger on a pass. How many times did Sanders do that this game? It was very minimal. It was mostly drop back, processing what he sees, and by that time the rush is there or he is bailing the pocket. His decision making was way too slow (like last year).

Sanders has some talent, his processing speed is way too slow.

Got it .. Both lines need some serious work ..

The Browns flat out gave the game away today. The amount of penalties were ridiculous. The defense couldn't make stops when it had to.
Having said all that, the Browns still don't have enough talent to be a legit playoff team and are still doing stupid stuff that's costing them games.

Both Watson and Sanders appear to really struggle with the simple concepts of playing QB. Nothing is on time. It's drop back, ignore the open receivers, panic for no reason, break the pocket, turn the play into backyard football, and hope for the best. Teams watch the tape and know this. This is why the running game cannot get on track and why the OL looks so bad. There is zero fear of any defense that either QB is going to burn them or burn them enough to matter. So sell out to stop the run and dare them to beat you with the pass. This will not change until they are able to execute plays on time. And there is zero chance the combination of Boston, KC, and Fannin are not getting open. Zero chance.

Also, Monken's job is to win the game. Why you don't QB sneak from the half yard line on 4th down after your last QB sneak went for 5 yards is fireable. Knowing your QB cannot execute simple plays and going for 2 is fireable. I'm not saying to fire Monken. But his job is to win. Period. That's all. You call those plays in year 3 and you aren't making it to year 4. The no QB sneak is just mind numbingly baffling.

The coaching in the beginning of games is just so bad. And if I hear Monken again say how cool it all is, I'm going to break my TV.

Completely agree with your assessment. Sanders is no better than Watson and Watson is just average. They both hold on to the ball way to long and they rarely come off their primary receiver and have issues reading Defenses. Sanders just does not pass the eye test for a starting NFL QB.

We are so incredibly BAD in the first quarter of games it is embarrassing. It's really a joke how a team can be that bad in the first Quarter. Here we are half way through the season and are still averaging 10 penalties a game.

The 2pt conversion was very Stefanski like. He'll, most of the game was very Stefanski like minus the 2 deep balls that were very under thrown. Our run game is so bad and our run defense is even worse.

We always have problems beating teams we should beat that have losing records. Good teams beat those teams, bad teams don't.

And yes, I am also getting sick of "how cool" everything is. That is ranking up there with "We gotta look at the tape" and "our guys battled"

Disappointing on several fronts:

Sanders is as bad as most of us thought he was after we saw him plenty in his rookie year. Fate used the term Chicken Little in the gameday thread - and that's about right. He can't pull the trigger on a regular play most of the time. Runs around holding the ball too long as a result, sometimes fleeing a safe space before he needs to. Not going to hate on him - he ran hard and took some shots and was professional. He just isn't a good QB and he's not a good back up, not even for 2 or 3 games . . . . Depending on the rest of the season we need to see Gabriel moved ahead of him to find out if Gabriel can be a back up. Sanders stats look ok ... but that does not represent the play on the field in any way. His stats might be better than Shough for the day - slightly better completion % and an extra TD ... but Shough looks like he belongs, is calm, mobile in a good way and you'd love to go back and take him instead of Judkins. Even with the teams issues, you'd have to think we'd have won 2 more games with Shough at QB this year.

The OL is bad - teams have figured this out and are exploiting the OL. We seem to do very little to help them when the chips are down. We have seen some nice plays from Monken - and maybe Sanders just can't complete those throw - but for the Saints, the short routes to Jordyn Tyson for 4-6 yards were impossible for our man to man defense to stop ... what did we have in the bag to make easy completitions against their D?

The running game is fine - it's average at worst with Judkins and Sampson running behind a lousy OL. I think with a better OL we'd be happy enough even if neither of them is a stud. In the passing game - we have enough quality weapons and different types of receivers in KC, Watson and Fannin. Jeudy chipping in when it matters most is a bonus but it must be a little doubtful if he will be here next year.

The defense is OK - giving up 16 points over 4 quarters isn't the reason we lost the game. There are some issues - what I am not sure is whether the issues stopping the run are a reflection of the 2 LB packages we send out? Or something else. It was a gut punch to make Estime look as good as he did.

The penalties are killers ... and I've always blamed coaching for them. I like a lot of what Monken has done and is doing - but the penalties have to improve. I don't know how many are due to a bad OL getting called for holding, or Watson and Sanders running around more than necessary also adds to the holding penalties ... maybe those aren't all on Monken. But the procedural issues, the discipline ... has to see some improvement. And I don't know what it was but yesterday's offensive play calling didn't seem to be very cohesive or complimentary. I agree with comments above - Fannin is a huge playmaker. Find ways to get him into the game. The call to not kick the FG was costly and the game already felt like it was going to be choppy and sloppy ... Love the aggressiveness. But I don't know it was the right call given the flavor of the game. . . . I did think the slow, deliberate play in OT was a sign of a HC who wasn't panicking. Knew he was going to go for 2 (and go for the W not the tie). I took that drive as a positive even as the commentators and friends were agitated by it. But we didn't have a play that was executable for 2 points, I think that's on Monken too.

I think the next 3 games are winnable with average QB play and DW back starting. But it might easily get ugly based on the last 25 years of Browns history ... hoping his time is different.

when we got the 2 point conversion against Carolina to go up by 3 (slant play to Boston) ... was that the same play that we ran yesterday?