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And that remaining ten million are illegal immigrants. 
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I didn't miss the point, I understand exactly what my risks are living in a area that is both low lying and on the coast of a area that has a significant risk of a hurricane striking. I also pay taxes to the Fed. Government that has said some of those taxes are specifically for the emergency response to those natural disasters. Now if they said none of my taxes would be used for that purpose, then I would be fine with getting no response. But that's not what was said.
Do I think they are ultimately responsible to put my house back together? Nope. That's why I have insurance. Do I expect them to shelter me and feed me and cloth me after? Nope. That's my responsibility and I know exactly what to expect and do everything that is within my power (sometimes excessively) to make sure I have them.
Do I expect them to react and (here's the key word) assist my community in getting the streets open (which my taxes pay for) and providing a safe place (via police/sherriff's and fire dept.) ? Yes I do. That's why I pay the taxes.
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Like I said Arch, it's about "The humane thing to do". Funny how some would pick up a dog who had been hit and get that dog medical help. But begrudge it to their fellow Americans.................. 
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Do I expect them to react and (here's the key word) assist my community in getting the streets open (which my taxes pay for) and providing a safe place (via police/sherriff's and fire dept.) ? Yes I do. That's why I pay the taxes.
I won't even reply to your first part. You seem to have a good attitude about that - you don't seem to be wanting handouts and "free" money so to speak. Kudos to you for that.
However, is it not the local gov't., and then the state gov't. that should be clearing the streets and providing a safe environment? I think so. I don't feel it is the fed's responsibility to do these things after a calamity. Or before, for that matter.
And we all know how the people (many of them) have reacted to the fed. gov't. concerning Katrina. It's all "why aren't they rebuilding my house, fixing the levees, paying me more..." and on and on. You? It would appear not. Most? It would appear so.
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But one wouldn't assume that the dog could in any way have any shot at all, ever, of getting a job where they can provide for their own medical care. I DO presume that about my fellow humans.
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Like I said Arch, it's about "The humane thing to do".
Funny how some would pick up a dog who had been hit and get that dog medical help.
But begrudge it to their fellow Americans..................
I'm not begrudging anything to anyone. Perhaps you read into what I posted just a tad too much.
What I am saying is: the problem is probably no where near as large as some think. (people without health insurance).
Let's say I could interview 1,000,000 people in one day. If I did it, and the question was "are you drinking right now, or have you had a drink today?", and 50% said yes, what would you think? We have a serious problem, right?
Being that this scenario is a random survey, we could then assume that 50% of the population drinks every day. A political party gets ahold of this and wants to create programs costing billions of taxpayer dollars in order to "fix" the problem.
Only later is it noticed that the survey was done on new years eve. Hmmmm........
Get the picture?
I don't begrudge people health care - I don't begrudge people health insurance. My point is it is NOT the federal gov't.'s responsibility to provide it. You seem to think health care is a given right in this country, so therefore the gov't. should take it over.
Where do you stop with the "rights" thing? I'd say food is more important than health care. Should the gov't. step in and force everyone to get on the gov't.'s grocery list? Should we all have to eat the same things? Or, if there is an opt out program for the people that don't want to eat what the gov't. mandates, we should surely still require them to pay the taxes to cover others, right? And then they still need to go buy their own food.
Health care is not a right in this country. Not a gov't. mandated right, and I sure as heck don't want to pay for it. What you do for a stray dog out of the goodness of your heart is your business, not mine. But if you take a stray to the vet, and you want me to pay for it, then we have a problem.
Further, if you take a sick stray to the vet, there's a good chance, unless it's just a broken bone, that the vet will say "the humane thing to do is put the dog down". Is that what you are asking for when you speak of "humane" treatment? 
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I agree with you there. And you're right about how a lot of reactions have been to the Gov't help. It sure seems like most people have the thought process of "it isn't my money, it's the governments, and I should get as much as I can." Unfortunately, that is their money, and my money, and your money. Very very sad.
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here we have glaring examples of failure on all levels of gov't....
you really want the fed to control the health care system? they can't even get some trailers to NO on time....
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Never have I ever said I want the government to control health care. So I don't know where you may have gotten that impression.
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Romney wins Michigan, Clinton had virtually no competition
Mitt needed this to stay alive. The GOP race is still wide open. With Nevada and South Carolina coming up Saturday, hopefully a better picture is painted. Huckabee hopes to take South Carolina due to his southern roots. Romney is hoping this can catapult him back into the race. Guliani is waiting for Florida and then super tuesday. McCain is near the top of the polls in Nevada and South Carolina and is hoping to pull out both wins giving him more momentum in florida and on super tuesday
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Spoken by a true Democrat..."I think the thing that bothers most americans the most are as follows.
1) It is apparant that the war in Iraq was started with a Bush agenda. The fact that Bush never did deliver on his promise to get bin Ladin still bothers me. So much for the you're with us or you're with the terrorists comment.
2) The poor response to Katrina.
3) The partisan politics in Washington by both parties. Each party hates the other so much, Clinton for the Monica thing, and Bush for the Iraq thing, they cant agree on anything, so nothing gets done. I will use the immigaration thing as a further discussion point, Kennedy and McCain put together an approach, which fits the criteria desired by Bush, and it can't get passed, because it is not "tough enough" so nothing get done."
Counterpoint 1. Bush's Iraq Agenda- The decision was made to get Osama and Saddam at roughly the same time. One seems to have been more difficult than the other but is still in progress.
It really is tough to drop tens of thousands of troops into Afghan or Pakistani mountains so we went to Iraq with them and more mobile into the Afghan area.
Counterpoint 2. Katrina was a mix up by every gov't agency state,local and federal but who gets the blame. The one group the farthest away from the damage...HMMMM!
Counterpoint 3. McCain/Kennedy is a weak program as is the damn McCain Feingold campaign finance bill. McCain could be elected fairly easily if he still resisted talking to the creeps on the other side as much on Capitol Hill as he did in the Hanoi Hilton!
Counter 1. We so easily forget that Saddam was never linked to bin Ladin. The whole WMD saga was a fabrication based upon a perception by Bush. Colin Powell's speech before the UN regarding WMD's was political Hari Kari. End of career. Sure it was tough to get him, so you go pick another fight with "his buddy" who was not involved. This makes no sense at all. Still in progress... cmon we can land a 5 ton bomb on a gnats rear, but we can't get bin Ladin after 6 years, this is obviously a decision made with Pakistan in mind. So Bush "backed off" on his promise to get him.
Counter 2. There is so much blame to go around, but the fact is that FEMA was being run by a Bush appointee / cronnie that had no qualifications to run such an agency. Poorly prepared and executed. With regard to the fires, as made by others, it is significantly easier to relocate people affected by fire than a hurricane as the geographical impact is much more isolated.
Counter 3. Again you miss the point, standing up for your ideological purpose means that nothing gets done, Nice, calling fellow legislators "creeps" will get you far. With your view of the opposition, why don't you eliminate those who disagree with your thoughts.
With regard to me being a Democrat, you are mistaken, as I don't subscribe to the silly "Jedi mind tricks" of either party.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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