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I think thats what he is making with bonus and thats what hurts; but if we cut him we won't get all that back. Here is what www.nflpa.com has on him. I still think he would be a big cap hit if we cut him...

Salary History
2005 1500000.00
2006 1500000.00
2007 3500000.00
2008 3500000.00
2009 3700000.00
2010 4300000.00

But I am no expert on this; I think Peen has is down pretty good though.

32 Hank Fraley $652,640

I think we are going to have to do a little better than this. Afterall, Danielle is going to need a new ride to put all those kids in. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Well, if Baxter's injury is truly career-ending (which I certainly hope it is not), we may be able to reach an injury settlement with him, similar to how we got out of a contract with William Green.

I have no idea if we'd still have to honor the remainder of his contract or how an injury settlement would affect our cap, but I have to think it would be less expensive than just terminating his contract and having to pay the remaining signing bonus all at once.

Wow. Never realized how much we pay Baxter.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsOL.html

O-linemen that are Free Agents this Offseason :

Max Starks RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
Starks is a starting tackle for a Super Bowl champion. That?s enough in itself to get some teams a little excited about the prospects of acquiring him. The fact that Starks is young, talented, and massive in stature?listed at 6?8?, 337 lbs.?just adds to the excitement pile. Another lineman that shouldn?t be going anywhere as the Steelers will not let Starks go without a fight. The best bet is that Starks will decide he wants to stay in Pittsburgh and sign an extension. If he hits the market, there will be a team or two willing to pay a big amount to entice the tackle to relocate.

Leonard Davis UFA Arizona Cardinals
Davis is a massive tackle that the Cardinals can?t afford to lose to free agency, but it seems likely that they will. The Arizona offensive line is already suspect, and losing Davis would be a huge step in the wrong direction, but the team may have to let him go and find a replacement. Davis has shown the ability to simply be a wall of protection for his quarterback and while teams might not line up for the chance to sign him, anyone looking for a tackle will have him high on the list.

Mike Gandy, UFA, Buffalo Bills
A relatively young starting left tackle, Gandy had been blocking for Willis McGahee over the past two seasons, and this season could go a long way in making Gandy an appealing free agent. He has talent, but isn?t considered among the league?s best linemen. However, a decent starting left tackle doesn?t just drop from the sky, so expect him to garner interest from a handful of teams, if Buffalo doesn?t re-sign him before the market opens.

Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
Eric Steinbach, UFA, Bengals
Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dwayne Carswell, UFA, Denver Broncos
Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins
Nat Dorsey, RFA, Cleveland Browns
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Norm Katnik, RFA, New York Jets
Ryan Lilja, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Sean Locklear, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Vincent Manuwai, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Roman Oben, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Brian Rimpf, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Steinbach, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Todd Steussie, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks


Dwight Freeney, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Freeney originally signed for seven years in 2002, but having reached certain incentive levels in his contract has voided the final two seasons, making him a free agent at the end of this season. Freeney has posted double-digit sack totals in each of his four seasons coming into 2006, and has forced 23 fumbles in that time. He?s one of the top pass rushers around. He plays with an incredible motor, but he has been hampered by an injury this season, limiting him to just five tackles and no sacks. Yet, with some of the best speed at his position, many teams will be lining up for a shot at a player that can apply pressure on the quarterback quite often.

Jared Allen, RFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Perhaps the top defensive lineman that will see the market, Allen, has posted totals of 9 and 11 in the sack department in the two seasons prior to 2006, and he?s added 3 more this season. The Chiefs will do everything in their power to keep him, but teams on the outside looking in could see Allen as a free agent must. He?s young, plays with a big motor, and puts pressure on the quarterback often, evidenced by his 7 forced fumbles last season. Teams will line up for the type of player that Allen is, and being an RFA doesn?t change that much. Allen makes the list because of his talent, but it?s difficult to imagine that the Chiefs would allow him to slip away on the market. Expect the Chiefs to negotiate a contract extension or possibly use the franchise tag if Allen has another great season.

Vonnie Holliday, UFA, Miami Dolphins
He?s been an effective defensive tackle throughout his career, and when Holliday hits the market, his experience, talent, and size will make him a desirable option for teams that need defensive interior run support. Miami won?t want to lose him, as they have a collection of veteran players who could help make a Super Bowl push in the next few seasons, but Holliday can command a decent dollar amount if he seeks a new employer. Don?t be surprised to see the Dolphins re-sign him before free agency.

Terdell Sands UFA Oakland Raiders
The defensive tackle entered his fifth NFL season without much fanfare. He was stuck behind other players, and hadn?t been thought of as an impact player by most. However, the former Chattanooga player has shined when given the opportunity. One reason that Sands has been effective is his size. Standing 6?7? and weighing 335 pounds, Sands is enormous, and difficult to take out of a play. His height allows him to bat down passes if he cannot get penetration, and he has developed a decent awareness of where the ball is. In non-starter minutes, he?s still just two tackles away from his career season high, and he is earning more and more time each week. The Raider will be well-served to sign him to an extension, but Sands might look elsewhere if Oakland won?t guarantee him more playing time.

Other Free Agent Defensive Lineman
Justin Smith, UFA, Bengals
Edward Jasper, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Chad Lavalais, RFA, Atlanta Falcons
Cory Redding, UFA, Detroit Lions
Hollis Thomas, UFA, New Orleans Saints

If the injury is career ending, does the team have to offer a settlement or are you just done?? I will have to ask because contracts can be terminated at anytime. I don't really know how it works, I'm sure someone out there has the info on that. I think there would be a difference between career ending, and "not good enough/healthy enough" to waste a roster spot on. Like the eagles got rid of pinkston because of his injury, they needed someone reliable. I think he might have had a settlement.......... then was picked up by someone else. But if he were done and couldnt play for anyone else, why should they have to give him a settlement? I wonder if its written into certain contracts???????

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That's a good question, Danielle.

What I'm thinking (in my completely uneducated way) is that if a contract is terminated, the team still has to pay whatever money is guaranteed. I think signing bonuses are guaranteed (could be 100% wrong).

When that happens, the team will take a big hit right away. But, I'm thinking if they reach an injury settlement, that hit won't happen.

I have no idea if that's right or not, I'm just guessing. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll ask Hank when he gets home. Working late tonight!

I think you might be right though. Although the SB is already paid and in the bank so its not like they get money back............

I think the way that it works is the bonus is pro-rated over the life of the contract.

If the contract is shortened, than the players bonus that has not been included in the yearly cap allocation is accelerated to the cap value for that year. Hence the term cap-hit

Example

A player recieves a 5 year contract for 7.5 million and a 5 million bonus.

So that would be 1.5 million per year for 5 years (1 million bonus and 0.5 million salary)

If, in year 3 the player is cut, the cap-hit would be 3.5 million for that year (1 million bonus hit for years 3, 4 and 5 and 0.5 million for year 3 salary. I believe if another team picked the player up, they would be responsible for the salary, (0.5 million for years 4 and 5), but not the bonus.

Remember when we traded Warren and Brown became a FA, The Browns took a cap-hit to pay for thier bonus.

After the year was over.. the Browns had 20+ million in cap space, because they took the cap-hit.

I remember but Danielle was still in Philly. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Right about the signing bonus, the settlement is only if the team wants to release an injured player. The player takes the money and the chance they do the re-hab on their own, and hope to get picked up.

So I guess when its career ending, there isnt a settlement, you just get slammed with the cap hit......... as Charger explained.