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Ah Ha. So, you will finally admit that Timid sucked? 
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Pot meet kettle..................
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You really don't understand the QB rating system very well. Shep had a good thread about it awhile back.
I'm not picking on you, but it should NOT be the determining factor in a QB's worth.
Yeah, and I guess being "28th" in overall accuracy is a worthless stat too....................
They're ALL worthless when they point out DA's obvious weaknesses aren't they Vers.
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It WORKS because the Best of the Best are ALWAYS in the Top 10 every year...And funny thing is...MOST all of those teams are in the Playoffs...
6 out of the top 10 in the AFC didn't make the playoffs.
6 out of the top 10 in the NFC didn't make the playoffs.
You were saying???? Interesting when you look at it by conference instead of overall.....eh? 
LOL...Nice REACH...
8 of the Top 10 are in...
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Ah Ha. So, you will finally admit that Timid sucked?
No bum arm and THIS Offensive Line??..Who knows...
But YES...U happy...  
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"As things stand right now, I suspect that Anderson will wind up with a 4 year deal. The team offered 3, he and his agent want 5 ..... 4 splits the difference....... (a time honored tradition in contract negotiations) and the team can always sweeten the deal by making year 4 voidable under certain conditions."
If I recollect those were with rookie contracts in the day when they could sign for more than 3 years (after the 1st day).
Here is the deal with DA...Savage hinted a long time ago that a 2-3 year offer in his eyes could be considered long term. He ended up offering a 3 year contract.
DA has the opportunity of a lifetime - the timing of his successes couldn't have come at a better moment. He would want a 5 + year contract but the key figure here is 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 cause that is the length of years allowed to spread out a signing bonus.
It has come to pass that all know that contracts mean nothing (50, 60, 100 mil) its the signing bonus/guaranteed money.
To negotiate contracts in good faith...after one puts an offer and the other puts theirs out - there must be some common ground. In this case there is none. We want 3 n DA wants 5. Yes, one of the two parties can conform to the others foundation. Us got to DA with our version of a 5 year contract...DA's camp comes to us with their version of a 3 year contract which could be a 4th year to stretch out a signing bonus?
But I doubt either party will bend to the others foundation to do some serious negotiations until FA hits. This will determine a lot - we will lose some bargaining power as we would be at the mercy of other teams contracts as in DA signing one.
But if no other teams offer what DA is seeking (and are unwilling to part with the compensation) DA's camp stand to reason will come back to Savage and start negotiating off of our 3 year foundation. Or simply say no deal and sign the one year tender offer.
Spectre - "If that doesn't work, we keep him on the roster for another year and then either watch his value fall or slap him with the franchise tag which lets us try and trade him again."
There is no way we will keep him another year on the simply the Tender contract - we will deal him. There is a chance that BQ will end up the starter in 08 whether its game one or possibly during the season if DA starts out slow. How stupid would we be to put a FRANCHISE CONTRACT on a backup?
We would end up losing DA as a UFA and Savage has stated that it will not get to that.
clwb419 - "Though flip side, he did well against Pittsburgh (#1 defense) in week 10, posting a slightly below average 83.4 rating."
Here is a perfect example of why stats could be misleading.
Buffalo game - DA had a QB rating of 50something. But actually I thought he played quite well in that game. Then you got the Steeler game #2 where you say his rating was 83.4 but I thought that was one of his worst games. He threw 2 TDs and I'm not sure about INTs...but the TDs were goal to go situations - Cribbs got us the field position (once inside the 5?) and in the 2nd half displayed one of the worst games I've seen.
You have to watch the games and see if the QB rating corroborates what you see - you can't just let it all stand on numbers alone.
Now I know I opened the door for some dolts to claim hypocrite as in the recent past I threw some 2nd half and last 5 games (Dec games) out there with pure stats. But I threw that out there cause it mirrored what I saw out there on the field.
And DA did not improve in his overall game...he most definately worked on improving. Like as was mentioned utilizing the protection we gave him by checking down and not locking on. Ain't it nice to have the time...throwing lanes...pocket to step into to learn properly. But he digressed in many areas. One noted area for me at least was his Deep out...I loved his deep outs and thought that along with his Seam Routes were his best passes. But in that 2nd half and as the season wound down his deep out simply was not there...its one of the toughest throws and is virtually impossible to defend. I'd even have to say it almost looked like DA's arm got tired in the latter part of the season because of that throw not being there like it was???
But he digressed in other areas also not just one pattern.
Never the less this is like so great I think...the Browns are in the catbird seat and have an incredible opportunity to deal with a situation of a young competent QB and another Franchise QB chomping at the bit. Unless DA digresses to a degree that he is not viewed as a competent QB but only as a backup both QBs will not be in our future...I think that is an inevitable.
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I have to say that I find it completely LUDICROUS that DA would want Romo money (I'm still not really even convinced Romo deserves Romo money). DA had a "good" year, but I have never been one of his pure supporters.
I think he has a lot of weaknesses and will hurt us more than help us in the long run. Now, that's JMHO, and I know there's a case to be made the other way.
But in no way did he make me believe he deserves that type of contract.
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I have to say that I find it completely LUDICROUS that DA would want Romo money
And I find it equally ludicrous how people are convinced that he has asked for Romo money......
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I have to say that I find it completely LUDICROUS that DA would want Romo money
And I find it equally ludicrous how people are convinced that he has asked for Romo money......
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Spectre - "If that doesn't work, we keep him on the roster for another year and then either watch his value fall or slap him with the franchise tag which lets us try and trade him again."
There is no way we will keep him another year on the simply the Tender contract - we will deal him. There is a chance that BQ will end up the starter in 08 whether its game one or possibly during the season if DA starts out slow. How stupid would we be to put a FRANCHISE CONTRACT on a backup?
We would end up losing DA as a UFA and Savage has stated that it will not get to that.
Oh, I think we'll make every effort to deal DA possible. I'm just saying that if we aren't able to find anyone interested (which is still a possibility), we keep him around for a year. If he ends up winning the QB battle, then that's when we franchise him and try to trade one of the QBs. If he loses it... well, he'll already have lost enough value anyway that it'll be beyond recovery, which is exactly why I want to trade DA off now rather than risk losing all our compensation.
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Smoke from whom???
Sources close to the situation. Be honest, do you think DA would really go around saying "I want a bigger contract" like a buffoon a la Chad Johnson or Terrell Owens?
I sure don't. You don't negotiate in public like that, but when multiple reporters are reporting the same thing, that doesn't sound like smoke to you? This isn't even PFT reporting it (whose track record has been stellar lately, their only miss was the Tony Dungy rumor), it's legit columnists.
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Multiple reports???? Or a bunch of reports picked up off of the one line from the PD??
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Multiple reports???? Or a bunch of reports picked up off of the one line from the PD??
The Columbus Dispatch reported it first, then the PD followed. Somehow I don't think the PD wrote their column without double checking their sources.
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sure don't. You don't negotiate in public like that, but when multiple reporters are reporting the same thing, that doesn't sound like smoke to you?
Good lord, have you not figured out how this works yet Ammo,,
Geez man... OK,, let me give you a scenrio..,
Tony Grossi can't get anyone to open up about DA's contract, so he prints in the paper that "it is believed that DAs agents are looking for a contract similar to Romos".
Now Tony does it to get a rise out of someone in Berea or DAs agents or DA himself.
Then the Wireservices pick it up and pretty soon, it's all over the place.
But it started with one reporter... others just pick it up from the wire services..
Don't be fooled by it man... and don't make more of it than it is... it's reporters just being reporters.. Trying to manufacture news when there isn't anything real to report.
Ask yourself this Ammo,, at the time of those articles, and as far as I know, up to now, has there been ONE report of a Counter proposal being given to Savage from DAs agents?
If not, then where do you think these stupid reports come from....
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As always, you miss the point.
What Grossi wrote contained the word "believed." That is what you chose to highlight and change the name of the thread to.
On the other hand, you COMPLETELY ignored the actual quotes that DA made.
Furthermore, do you understand negotiations? If so, why are you making such a big deal about this?
Don't bother........we already know the answer. You want DA to be the bad guy and Brady to be perceived in a positive light. And what is a real killer is that BQ is the guy who "actually" held out and missed time w/the team. You ignore that and focus in on the word "believed."
Now.......to the rest of you. I am not bad-mouthing BQ for holding out. Players need to get what they can when they can. It just galls me that guys like Ammo and Pit make a big deal out of nothing. It's just a lame ass attempt to justify their position.
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As always, you miss the point.
What Grossi wrote contained the word "believed." That is what you chose to highlight and change the name of the thread to.
On the other hand, you COMPLETELY ignored the actual quotes that DA made.
Furthermore, do you understand negotiations? If so, why are you making such a big deal about this?
Don't bother........we already know the answer. You want DA to be the bad guy and Brady to be perceived in a positive light. And what is a real killer is that BQ is the guy who "actually" held out and missed time w/the team. You ignore that and focus in on the word "believed."
Now.......to the rest of you. I am not bad-mouthing BQ for holding out. Players need to get what they can when they can. It just galls me that guys like Ammo and Pit make a big deal out of nothing. It's just a lame ass attempt to justify their position.
Yes, Vers. I want DA to be the bad guy  .
What if I told you I just want the best guy to play? Of course, I have a hunch that the best guy is Quinn.
And never once have I trashed Anderson or said he sucks (aside from during games when I'm an emotional rollercoaster). I just think he is what he is, solid but not spectacular. And I think he'll continue to remain solid but not spectacular based on all the evidence gathered that go beyond stats.
But for crying out loud...I'm not pushing an "anti-DA agenda." Pro-Quinn? Absolutely, and it's not based on the marketing stuff I was talking about earlier (though I believe other people allow the media to influence them and aren't aware of it, hence why I brought that topic up), it's based on what I've seen out of him. Granted, we only have so much film to look at but all signs are positive.
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You don't really bother me like you do the other guys. But sometimes your arguments are just whacky and illogical. I point to this: Quote:
But for crying out loud...I'm not pushing an "anti-DA agenda." Pro-Quinn? Absolutely, and it's not based on the marketing stuff I was talking about earlier (though I believe other people allow the media to influence them and aren't aware of it, hence why I brought that topic up), it's based on what I've seen out of him. Granted, we only have so much film to look at but all signs are positive.
What if someone only showed you clips of DA against the Bengals first game and the Ravens first game?
To use your own words: "Granted, we would only have so much film to look at but all signs would be positive."
Seriously, if you prefer Quinn, just say so. But don't hide behind 'what we've seen' because we haven't seen anything yet.
Me, personally, I wouldn't mind parting with DA if it meant we could improve other areas of the team. Else, let 'em duke it out next year in camp.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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But for crying out loud...I'm not pushing an "anti-DA agenda." Pro-Quinn? Absolutely, and it's not based on the marketing stuff I was talking about earlier (though I believe other people allow the media to influence them and aren't aware of it, hence why I brought that topic up), it's based on what I've seen out of him. Granted, we only have so much film to look at but all signs are positive.
Ammo... you have Brady in your sig.
According to forum rules, whenever you put someone in your sig, it officially makes you a blind [fill in the blank] lover who is closed minded and refuses to acknowledge anything except [fill in the blank]'s supreme awesomeness.
I thought you would've picked up on this by now.
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But for crying out loud...I'm not pushing an "anti-DA agenda." Pro-Quinn? Absolutely, and it's not based on the marketing stuff I was talking about earlier (though I believe other people allow the media to influence them and aren't aware of it, hence why I brought that topic up), it's based on what I've seen out of him. Granted, we only have so much film to look at but all signs are positive.
Ammo... you have Brady in your sig.
According to forum rules, whenever you put someone in your sig, it officially makes you a blind [fill in the blank] lover who is closed minded and refuses to acknowledge anything except [fill in the blank]'s supreme awesomeness.
I thought you would've picked up on this by now.
To be honest, I'm waiting for BrowniePoints to make another "sig request" post so I can ask for a Kellen Winslow "Crank Dat Soulja Boy" sig 
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Don't roll your eyes at me. You distorted the truth earlier. It's there for all of us to read. You intentionally ignored the quotes and highlighted something that DA never said. You also changed the title of entire thread to "DA wants Romo money." You then end your latest charade w/this gem: Granted, we only have so much film to look at but all signs are positive. All signs? *L* You know something Ammo............you were a much better poster when you were just a kid in high school. I thought you had a lot of potential. You knew a little about the game and you were far different than the trickster you have become. You have actually digressed. And I really can't figure out why. 
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Some of you guys take yourselves too seriously.
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February 28 - Deadline for submission of Qualifying Offers by teams to their Restricted Free Agents whose contracts have expired and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refulsal/Compensation
February 29 - Start of Free Agency and Trading period
April 25 ( 5 or 15??) - Deadline for teams to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents
April 18 - Deadline for signing of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents
April 25 - Deadline for old team to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents
April 26-27 - NFL Draft in New York City
Thank god all of this will come to an end soon. The April 25 date, may be incorrect, from the other thread.
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Multiple reports???? Or a bunch of reports picked up off of the one line from the PD??
The Columbus Dispatch reported it first, then the PD followed. Somehow I don't think the PD wrote their column without double checking their sources.
The Romo lines from the Dispatch article dated 1/31/08 at 3:06 am:
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Tony Romo of Dallas and Matt Schaub of Houston are recent gauges for quarterback signings. Romo signed a six-year, $67.5 million contract and Schaub a six-year, $48 million contract.
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That is far lower than the deal given to Dallas' Tony Romo, which Anderson's camp sees as a guide. Romo received a six-year deal for $67.5 million, with $30 million guaranteed.
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What sources? Who said what?
As for taking things too seriously, it is a problem when people spread mis truths....these are then spread by other people as facts when they are not. That is what is already taking place here and it does not lend to good discussion on the subject at hand. If you take a look at the PD article, there are several reader comments that follow. It snowballed there with people lambasting DA for asking for Romo money...........even though it has not been displayed that he has done so!
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SUNDAY SPECIAL: Wiggle room needed with QBs With Quinn in wings, Browns won't sign Anderson to long deal Sunday, February 3, 2008 BY Todd Porter REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER Browns quarterback Derek Anderson found himself in the middle of all the Super Bowl hype. Because of the season Anderson had — he could land in the Pro Bowl if Tom Brady pulls out — he was in Phoenix as a product pitchman. Anderson indicated in an television interview he would like a six-year contract in Cleveland. It is clear that Anderson's representatives are using Tony Romo's six-year deal as a starting point. The Browns are not going to give Anderson six years. Five? Maybe. Four? Likely. Cleveland's first offer to Anderson was for three years, around $18 million. Romo got six years with $30 million guaranteed. So depending on how much of the $18 million is guaranteed, Cleveland is in the ballpark but only willing to go about half the term. General Manager Phil Savage did shed some light on the team's approach during a talk at The Chapel in Marlboro, where he was the guest of Pastor Joel Cochran. The Browns have two options with Anderson, a restricted free agent. They can sign him to a long-term deal or high-tender him a one-year contract for about $2.56 million. Anderson is then free to negotiate with other teams, and the Browns could match any offer or let him sign and receive first- and third-round draft picks as compensation. "Another option is ... a real contract ... anywhere from two years to seven years," Savage said. "Something long enough to keep him on the Browns, but short enough so that we're not taking the soul and competitiveness away from Brady Quinn. "We have two quarterbacks under 25. That's rare in the NFL. We're trying to prolong trying to have to make a decision and choose a fork in the road with either Derek or Brady Quinn." Savage is right, from the team's perspective. Based on where Cleveland's offense is and the kind of season Anderson had, Cleveland can't afford to hitch its wagon to either quarterback. It has to let the competition play out. Savage thinks Anderson's 2007 season was only a start. "He's only scratched the surface of what he can be," Savage said. "People are more familiar with Brady than Derek. Derek is not chopped liver. He was Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball in Oregon. ... We're hoping to keep both." LEWIS IS ANOTHER STORY Savage tried his best not to exude praise on free-agent running back Jamal Lewis, but he couldn't help himself. Lewis, only 28, proved he still has something left. He likened Cleveland's first offer to Lewis to a tennis serve. "We served the ball and probably didn't get it over the net. It was by design, I guess," Savage said. "They'll hit one back to us, and we'll go back and forth some of the next few weeks." Savage said Lewis told him and others in the team's complex that he wants to finish his career in Cleveland. The team needed the toughness Lewis brought. "When we went to play the Steelers ... Jamal walked in there with his chin up and looked them eyeball to eyeball," Savage said. "The Browns, for a whole, when you start off like they did, sometimes you shrivel up when it's tough. I felt like Jamal gave us a demeanor we needed." Savage said a deal probably wouldn't get done until a minute before free agency begins. College/HS stuff removed from article Linky
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"Another option is ... a real contract ... anywhere from two years to seven years," Savage said. "Something long enough to keep him on the Browns, but short enough so that we're not taking the soul and competitiveness away from Brady Quinn.
"We have two quarterbacks under 25. That's rare in the NFL. We're trying to prolong trying to have to make a decision and choose a fork in the road with either Derek or Brady Quinn."
Savage is right, from the team's perspective. Based on where Cleveland's offense is and the kind of season Anderson had, Cleveland can't afford to hitch its wagon to either quarterback. It has to let the competition play out. Savage thinks Anderson's 2007 season was only a start.
"He's only scratched the surface of what he can be," Savage said. "People are more familiar with Brady than Derek. Derek is not chopped liver. He was Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball in Oregon. ... We're hoping to keep both."
The above comments sound like the Browns are not sure if Brady Quinn is ready to take over the starting job yet.
Then again, that may be the way Savage wanted it sound?
The subtle praise of Anderson would appear to be a push to drive up his positives...then again, everything Savage said was true, concerning Anderson....
...Anderson's 2007 season was only a start.
..."He's only scratched the surface of what he can be,"
..."People are more familiar with Brady than Derek."
..."Derek is not chopped liver."
..."He was Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball in Oregon."
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Shep, it's just like I told Ammo before,, one sports writer writes something to get a response, then the wire services pick it up and the next thing you know, all the newspapers pick it up then TV and Radio as well,, And Ammo thinks that because it's more than ONE news or media outlet saying it, it makes it true,, Thanks Shep,,,, 
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the Browns are looking at a two-year deal worth a potential $11 million dollars with bonuses included.
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we are looking at a deal of three-years at under $18 million dollars (two separate sources tell us the figure is closer to $16 million dollars) of total compensation on the table.
Say HELLO to a 1 & 3 Tender in 4 weeks...
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Shep, since the two articles where both Savage and RAC said DA would go into the season as the starter, this article contains the most information to date. Quote:
Anderson indicated in an television interview he would like a six-year contract in Cleveland. It is clear that Anderson's representatives are using Tony Romo's six-year deal as a starting point.
How did he "indicate" that? Did he nod his head at a question? Did he hold up six fingers? Why is there no mention of DA saying he would like a six-year contract?
I do believe that that number could be a starting point in the negotiations from DA's camp. But, I just don't like words like "believed" and "indicated."
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"Another option is ... a real contract ... anywhere from two years to seven years," Savage said. "Something long enough to keep him on the Browns, but short enough so that we're not taking the soul and competitiveness away from Brady Quinn.
"We have two quarterbacks under 25. That's rare in the NFL. We're trying to prolong trying to have to make a decision and choose a fork in the road with either Derek or Brady Quinn."
Savage is right, from the team's perspective. Based on where Cleveland's offense is and the kind of season Anderson had, Cleveland can't afford to hitch its wagon to either quarterback. It has to let the competition play out. Savage thinks Anderson's 2007 season was only a start.
"He's only scratched the surface of what he can be," Savage said. "People are more familiar with Brady than Derek. Derek is not chopped liver. He was Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball in Oregon. ... We're hoping to keep both."
Thank you, Mr. Savage. This is what I have been saying all along. And I am going to copy it and keep it to keep the likes of Pit, Ammo, tab, DnD, and the rest of the Brat Pack honest.
You know, I was pretty hard on Savage for awhile. He drafted Joe and that went a long way w/me and I think he is playing this QB situation right. He has gained a lot of respect from me in the last year. I still wish he wouldn't have chosen BQ, but he may have felt he had to.
I want to take a closer look at each comment:
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"Another option is ... a real contract ... anywhere from two years to seven years," Savage said. "Something long enough to keep him on the Browns, but short enough so that we're not taking the soul and competitiveness away from Brady Quinn.
I was originally hoping for a 3 year contract, but since that is the Browns starting point, it probably won't happen. Now, I guess I am hoping for a 4-year deal. And I agree w/him about not eliminating BQ from the game. Savage has to play this very shrewdly. It is a good dilemma to have, but it is a tricky one.
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"We have two quarterbacks under 25. That's rare in the NFL. We're trying to prolong trying to have to make a decision and choose a fork in the road with either Derek or Brady Quinn."
I completely agree w/prolonging the decision between the two QBs. Both are young. Neither has totally proven themselves. Both have the potential to become franchise QBs. Both have the potential to fall on their faces. I think both have more upside than a downside, but I completely agree that we need to put the decision off for awhile. And I have been trying to tell the numbskulls that for some time now.
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"He's only scratched the surface of what he can be," Savage said. "People are more familiar with Brady than Derek. Derek is not chopped liver. He was Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball in Oregon. ... We're hoping to keep both."
He's only scratched the surface............hmmmm. Yet the Brat Pack keeps telling us that DA doesn't have room to improve. 
Personally, I think the guy has more room to improve than BQ does. BQ came into the league as a polished QB. One of the raps on him is that he may have reached his ceiling because he played under Weis. I don't know if that is true, but I do believe that DA has more room for growth. First of all.........I think he has some tools that BQ will never have. Secondly, I think that moronic system they ran at Oregon St. impeded his progress and taught him a lot of bad habits. His coach actually told him that picks were not important and to keep forcing the ball deep downfield in search of the big play. Making smart decisions and checking down was not in their vocabulary.
I am not saying that I favor DA over BQ. What I am saying is that I hope to God we keep them both for at least one more year. I want the winner to win the job on the field, as opposed to winning it because of media and public perception.
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Granted, we only have so much film to look at but ..............
...........well then, maybe we should just ask the patriots for their tapes. That might help!!
I think i woke up a bit bitter this morning- anti-cheaters, anti-patriots.
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The above comments sound like the Browns are not sure if Brady Quinn is ready to take over the starting job yet.
Maybe the above comment was just plain and simple. The Browns WANT to keep both QB's.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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Don't roll your eyes at me.
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Granted, we only have so much film to look at but all signs are positive.
All signs? *L*
You know something Ammo............you were a much better poster when you were just a kid in high school. I thought you had a lot of potential. You knew a little about the game and you were far different than the trickster you have become. You have actually digressed. And I really can't figure out why.
Yes, he digressed along WITH Phil Savage, right Vers?
Let's do the math here. DA was a sixth round pick. Phil passed on DA FIVE times
Then, The Rats put him on the practice squad and we took a flyer on him.
Then, Phil gave up this years first AND last years second to grab Quinn and was burning up the phone with EVERYONE after the Dolphins pick.
So I guess you're right Vers. Neither Phil nor Ammo know Jack and you're some kind of God. What were we thinking!??
Phil drafted BQ for one reason and one reason only. Our QB of the future. And DA did nothing "dazzling" to change that.
And yes, BQ has better footwork, better accuracy, better touch and FAR MORE "long term potential".
The DA bandwagon will look very foolish if we have as much as two OL injuries. With those key injuries, DA would HAVE to rely on his feet and throwing on the run. Man would THAT be ugly!
That's why BQ was drafted in round 1 and DA was drafted in round six.
Let me guess........he's the next Kurt Warner/Tom Brady???
LMFAO
Your man crush for DA has clouded your judgement. Because I know that if you used only your mind and weren't following "your heart" on this topic, you wouldn't be so ............well, wrong.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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