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By Fred Greetham OBR Browns Reporter Posted Jan 20, 2008 Fred Greetham answers his own article from Friday: Here's why you get all you can for Cleveland Browns starting quarterback Derek Anderson, and why you make that move now... Here are a few of the reasons the Browns should clear the way for Brady Quinn to be the starting quarterback next season by trading Anderson and getting as much as they can for him now while his value is at it’s peak. How can you commit long-term to Anderson, who throws so many interceptions and makes poor decisions? Anderson is what he is. The Ravens drafted him in the sixth-round and cut him when they have been looking for a quarterback for a long time. Anderson played well in 2007, but he showed in the second half of the season the knock on him. He sometimes forces passes when he shouldn’t and throws many interceptions. How can you not trade Anderson if you can get a No. 1 and No. 3 for him now? The Browns need help on defense and they could use those two picks to fortify the defense. If the Browns can’t sign him long term, they would be in a position of losing him and getting nothing for him. How can you make a commitment to a guy when you have a blue-chip No. 1 quarterback already signed for four more years? The Browns couldn’t decide between Charlie Frye or Anderson the whole off-season. That’s why they gave up their No. 1 draft choice in 2008 to draft Quinn. How can you commit to Anderson when arguably, many quarterbacks (ok, maybe not Charlie Frye) could’ve put up big numbers in this offense, with the weapons and the offensive line the Browns have? Anderson isn’t nearly as athletic as Quinn, who did it all at Notre Dame. Look how bad the Fighting Irish were this past season without Quinn. Anderson has a rocket arm, but he’s slow and looked as though he regressed as the season went on. How can you not go to Quinn? He was drafted to be the face of the franchise for the future. Anderson was just keeping the seat warm for a little while. He did very well, but as Phil Savage said the Browns have the weapons and the line around the quarterback for him to be successful. Quinn has everything that Anderson has plus he has more upside potential than does Anderson. I can only add one more reason that I feel is very important. If Quinn sits for another season then the maturing curve that all NFL QB's go through is again delayed. I believe Eli Manning has finally hit that maturity level that he has been looking for. Who knows if it will come sooner for Quinn but the clock will not start untill he is the man! 
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Move along, move along. Nothing to see here.
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Lets see it's the off season. Is there anything to see anywhere on here? 
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Besides being wrong about the Rats having cut Anderson, (they put him on the waiver wire hoping to get him back, that's not getting cut. It's well documented), there's nothing in this story that hasn't been said a hundred times already.
Nothing to see here.
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So being put on waiver means we really want and need you to be apart of this team!  That sounds like a job interveiw where the employer says " you have all the experiance we have been looking for but we found someone alittle more qualified. 
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He wasn't cut. Period.
Still, nothing new in this story. Same old; same old. You can read all of it in any of the QB threads on here already.
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How can you make a commitment to a guy when you have a blue-chip No. 1 quarterback already signed for four more years?
I wasn't aware we had a Blue Chip #1 quarterback behind him. I understand that the person behind CAN be a Blue Chip #1 QB, but I didn't know that he already was...
That being said, I'd take a first rounder and a third rounder for Anderson. Part of me honestly wonders if that's what the Chargers do, especially since Phillip Rivers is a UFA IIRC, and his playoff performance wasn't that great.
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Uh oh...another QB thread
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Ahhh, but not just another one, it's one started by Corpus with the title in all caps.
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Helps to post BOTH articles written by the same author: Greetham: The Case to Keep DA By Fred Greetham OBR Browns Reporter Posted Jan 18, 2008 Fred Greetham on the "DA Question", offering thoughts on why the team should stick by it's starter for the near future... Here are a few of the reasons the Browns should do whatever they can to keep Derek Anderson. How can you let go of a quarterback who had the second most touchdowns in a season in Browns history? The argument could be made if Anderson would’ve started the Steelers game or not played in a horrific blizzard against the Bills, he would’ve easily eclipsed the mark held by Brian Sipe. How can you not commit to a quarterback who threw for the fifth-most yards in Browns history, just 346 yards from the all-time record? Think about it. That’s a better season than Hall of Famer Otto Graham ever had. Better than Frank Ryan, Bernie Kosar and all the other Browns’ quarterbacks. No Browns quarterback has thrown for that much yardage since Kosar threw for 3,854 yards in 1986. How can you let a quarterback who was a first alternate for the Pro Bowl get away? The last time a Browns quarterback went to the Pro Bowl was Kosar after the 1988 season. How can you not commit to a quarterback who was sacked just 14 times in 16 games? That stat speaks for itself when you consider Charlie Frye went down five times in a little over a quarter with the same offensive line. How can you not keep a quarterback who is just 24 years old and is coming off essentially his rookie season? Most rookie quarterbacks have a tough time their first year. If the Browns were to go with Brady Quinn, they would basically be going with a rookie once again in 2008. How can you commit to a rookie, who has played just one series in the NFL? All of the growing pains the Browns experienced with Anderson, would start all over with Quinn. How can you replace a quarterback who averaged putting up 25 points a game and directed the Browns to a 10-5 season? To drop Anderson the Browns would be counting on Quinn stepping right in and putting up at least 25 points a game. That’s a big gamble when blue-chip quarterbacks go bust all of the time. How can you let Anderson go into the free agent market when Matt Schaub was the most sought after restricted free agent and he had almost no experience or production prior to joining the Texans? Schaub had only started three games before the Texans traded away high picks and gave him a big contract. How can you not keep two good quarterbacks going into next season with the state of the NFL at the quarterback position? That’s a very good question. Link
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It wasn't a very good case and honestly I think myself or many others on this board could write a much better article about reasons to keep/trade...
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Oh, I agree, neither article was exceptionally well-written. And I don't necessarily agree with one of them more than the other. I posted the 2nd article for balance, since it was the same author, looking at the same topic from different sides of the coin. Just a way to stir up a little trouble, maybe  LOL!
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That's cool BrownsBabe at least it has livened up the board abit. Hell it's the offseason what else is going on at this time? 
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Ahhh, but not just another one, it's one started by Corpus with the title in all caps.
Ahhhhhh, but I posted this about 35 mins. ago and it already has 118 hits with 9 people veiwing. It must have caught someones eye! 
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It caught mine obviously.
The counter side of the arguement offered by the same author turned this into an interesting thread. Had the opposing position been written by someone else it would have been ho hum. But since it was written by the same guy it just goes to show ya that the decision is not an easy one no matter how you look at it.
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OK we are cool then. Got to go so I can watch the Lakers. It is basketball season ya know! 
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I am completely torn on Anderson Reasons to get rid: Bad decisions, low completion, easy competition, turnovers, teams adapted to him, could snag us a first round, Quinn in the wings Reasons to keep: Lots of TD's, strong arm, hes young (could develop), Quinn still a mystery, incontinuity of Cleveland QB's, gets rid of ball quickly Scenerios: 1. We keep him. He's great or good (good enough to stay). Quinn complains after awhile. We trade Quinn, get draft picks.  2. We keep him. He has a bad year. We promote Quinn, Quinn is good. We get nothing for DA.  3. We trade him. Get picks. Quinn is good.  4. We trade him. Get picks. Quinn sucks.  5. We keep him. Has bad year. Quinn sucks too. 
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He wasn't cut. Period.
Regardless of any position taken concerning keeping or trading Anderson, you are absolutely 100% wrong here.
Anderson WAS cut from the Ravens. The fact that the Ravens wanted to keep him by signing him to the practice squad has no bearing on the fact that he WAS cut. He has to be cut from the team and pass through waivers in order to be signed onto their practice squad.
The Ravens cut him from the team. PERIOD. The only reason he is not with the Ravens now is because we signed him off waivers....In order for him to get to that point.....he has to be cut first.
We cut Melila Purcell and Chase Pittman. they passed through waivers and we signed them to the practice squad. That they are still Browns does not change the notion that we did in fact CUT them form the team.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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i gotta say...im so tired of seeing that a 24 year old QB with 20ish starts "is what he is" because a 24 year old isnt gonna ever get better. Ever in his life...
GMAB...what an awful thought process
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It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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How will everyone feel with Dorsey as the primary back-up?
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Greetham is a guy that can't get his facts straight,, or at least, he doesn't tell the whole story.. he leaves things out that don't fit his agenda. So I thought I'd just take a moment and rip holes in his take... Just for fun! Quote:
Anderson is what he is. The Ravens drafted him in the sixth-round and cut him when they have been looking for a quarterback for a long time.
And they wanted him on thier PS, but Savage snapped him up.. Didn't Greetham get the memo on that.. it was in all the papers.
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29 TD, 18 INTs, 3700+ yards, 10-5 record.. Yup,, kick him to the curb.. He's totally worthless..
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How can you trade a 10 game winner and replace him with an Unknown?
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The Browns need help on defense and they could use those two picks to fortify the defense.
Yes, we do need help on Defense.. But for the first time since the return, we have an offense that scares people.. are you willing to maybe destroy that to get a better D?
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No, DA isn't as Athletic as Quinn.. But he's won in the NFL.. ND was bad when Quinn was there... and when he left, they did get worse.. Thier problems go much deeper than a missing QB. Andersons arm is better than Kosars in terms of strength and he is way more athletic than Bernie.. Should we have traded Kosar?
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Easy,, DA did a good job in what amounts to his rookie starting season.. If Quinn had come in as a pure rookie and done the very same, would you want him replaced?
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Greetham just wants Quinn in and DA out!
I should point out that I truly believe that we are better off in the long run with Quinn as the starter.. I don't know why other than to say that each and everytime I've seen Quinn in there, I see a team that just flat out responds to him.. That's all I have to go on....
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So lets see this writer makes a case of contradicting himself.
He was a bozo in the first article and he was a bozo in this article.
After all we all know Brady Quinn is a good QB... "Look how bad the Fighting Irish were this past season without Quinn." - Gee he has to be a star 
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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It is kinda funny isn't it Eo? LOL
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Why don't we flip a coin? Heads..he stays...Tails he goes... 
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since it was the same author, looking at the same topic from different sides of the coin.
At least he didn't flip a coin to decide which side to take on the issue.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Sure he can flip a coin...why not?
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jc... I'll weigh in here. Because it's fun watching all you folks argue like a miserable married couple.  DA is a good QB and has experience now. DA has a good rapport with our current offense DA has a good strong arm DA knows the system DA is known to force throws DA isn't the most mobile, but he can make some moves DA has accuracy issues on the shorter throws DA still needs work on reading defenses Theres 4 good and 4 bad for DA. Now should we trade DA? Part of me says yes, get value from him now, because I believe BQ can do most everything DA has done, as well as DA. Part of me says no, because we have experience with DA, and with a better defense we would have been even better. Again I say yes, because I saw good defenses rattle DA, we didn't play all that many good teams this season. Again I say no, because part of me fears the worst of trading DA, then BQ gets injured. I like redundancy. Question is, can we keep both? Would DA be willing to be a B/U if BQ played better in the preseason and TC than he did? Would we get enough value out of DA to make the trade worth our while? Will BQ turn out to be what many want him to be? Can the media and the fans handle a decision one way or the other? First and Foremost I want the Browns to win, I don't care if Ryan Leaf comes out of retirement and leads us to a SuperBowl, as long as someone does. I am going to trust the powers that be that see DA and BQ daily, that see their work ethic, their study habits, their practices, their off-the-field performance. I'm going to trust the people we trusted to build our team into a winner to do just that.
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And U sound very indecisive..which is what young married couples often have problems with..
Better than making a decision without all the facts
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After all we all know Brady Quinn is a good QB... "Look how bad the Fighting Irish were this past season without Quinn." - Gee he has to be a star
So by that same logic, since Ohio States defense is good every year and they just seem to replace the pieces, I guess that means that Hawk, Lauranitis, etc really aren't that good. 
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I don't know,, perhaps it's cause we are both Italian?
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J/C Daman This thought crossed my mind a week ago...so I'll throw this out to get chewed on. We tender DA and someone gives us a 1st & 3rd or whatever....he's gone. Since Phil has dealt w/ Tampa Bay before....who do you want in a trade for backup....Chris Simms...Gratkowski (sp)....Or Luke (back in town) Simms is a lefty??... Grat is big kid DA's size,has experience...and we know Luke kinda OR WHAT would do if we had to match BALTIMORE's offer for DA
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DA is not a good QB ... he is a QB that played OK one year when everything was PERFECT and i mean PERFECT for him ... big difference between that and being a good QB ... that would be like saying Ipm a good speller cause in one long post with no big words I spelled every word right .. *LOL* .. Steve ... trust me .. were as sick of your DRIVEL and U are of OURS ... wanna talk about FLAWED THOUGHT PROCCESS .... just reference Florida's post or pretty much every post U make on the subject .. DRIVEL AT ITS FINEST ....
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Question is, can we keep both?
Would DA be willing to be a B/U if BQ played better in the preseason and TC than he did?
Would we get enough value out of DA to make the trade worth our while?
If BQ beats out DA in TC DA will have to deal with being his B/U(at least for that year), it will not help his cause by complaining.
If BQ takes the starting job he'll have to be playing lights out in TC,he's going to have to prove alot to beat out DA.In that situation I don't think it will devalue DA at all,he's already proven he's a winner and a leader.I think teams will just look at us as having 2 very good QB's that can start in this league.
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DA is not a good QB ... he is a QB that played OK one year when everything was PERFECT and i mean PERFECT for him ...
big difference between that and being a good QB ... that would be like saying Ipm a good speller cause in one long post with no big words I spelled every word right .. *LOL* ..
Steve ... trust me .. were as sick of your DRIVEL and U are of OURS ... wanna talk about FLAWED THOUGHT PROCCESS .... just reference Florida's post or pretty much every post U make on the subject ..
DRIVEL AT ITS FINEST ....
I agree !! Here is one important STAT for every one. DA is 0-2 in big road games !! yes 0-2 Arizona and the Bungals !!! like I have said before you need a QB who wins big ones to go to the next level.Nuff Said.
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DA is not a good QB ... he is a QB that played OK one year when everything was PERFECT and i mean PERFECT for him ...
big difference between that and being a good QB ... that would be like saying Ipm a good speller cause in one long post with no big words I spelled every word right .. *LOL* ..
Steve ... trust me .. were as sick of your DRIVEL and U are of OURS ... wanna talk about FLAWED THOUGHT PROCCESS .... just reference Florida's post or pretty much every post U make on the subject ..
DRIVEL AT ITS FINEST ....
Don't confuse the term "good" with "great". I used the term "good" place of "serviceable" because I was using it as a positive, and a lot of people on here see serviceable as a negative.
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I'm not a big defender of DA... but that's a pretty small sample size.
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Agreed it is small however what else do you have to go by.Ill give DA the benefit of the doubt on the Arizona game that was more of a group effort,but the Bungals game was primarily DA's fault IMO.All I can base my evaluations on is the body of work he has done so far,and in the biggest game in that body of work he was pathetic.All we really needed at that point was a mediocre game from him and he couldnt even deliver that,and this against the worst defense and 2nd string D.B.s at that.
I'm sorry if I offend anyone but to me he is just not the QB I want to lead this team.Dont get me wrong he appears to be a good leader and a team player however (IMO) if we want to proceed to the next level we need to also look to BQ to take us there.
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