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Had DA SHOWN what he did during the OTA's and preseason that trade may not have happened..
Fact is Phil was not confident DA had anything because he never showed anything consistantly before.
I don't blame him for doing the deal..but now I think it's safe to say they know what DA is...and what Quinn can be..
After watching DA's "entire body of work" and given the skill set of the two, I highly doubt Phil would have done things any different.
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AGAIN...IN HIS FIRST YEAR AS A STARTER... diam, you can't take away what the man accomplished. You can cry and pout, but what Anderson did achieve is there for all to see and he did it in his "first year" as a starter. You can attempt to highlight Anderson's negatives to drive his favorables down but all you need to do is look at the QB in the Super Bowl who did not put up numbers as good as Anderson's, across the board... completions, completion %, yds, ypa, long, tds, td%, ints<, int%, sks<, skyds, QB rating..The only catagory Anderson lost to this Super Bowl QB was the number of attempts. And you say "DA is not a good QB"...and you talk about "drivel"? Quote:
diam...spoken like a true Brady Quinn pimp who is still smarting from a season where his guy sat the bench while Anderson led the Browns to a 10-6, just missing the playoffs.
Diam, how bad do you have BQ disease?
To say Anderson "is not a good QB"...leaves you with zero creditability concerning the subject.
I'm not saying Quinn is not a good QB prospect or will not be great some day...I'm not standing up for Anderson because I'm a DA pimp...I'm not...
I'm a Cleveland Browns pimp and I'm not about to discredit one of our players or stand by when someone with a clear "agenda" lies about that players performance.
I'm not about to make sheeets up or make ridiculous comments such as Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson are not "good QBs".
I believe both are good QBs and Anderson got the opportunity to "prove it" this season and put up some very good numbers ""in his first year as a starter"".
AGAIN...IN HIS FIRST YEAR AS A STARTER...
diam, you can't take away what the man accomplished. You can cry and pout, but what Anderson did achieve is there for all to see and he did it in his "first year" as a starter.
You can attempt to highlight Anderson's negatives to drive his favorables down but all you need to do is look at the QB in the Super Bowl who did not put up numbers as good as Anderson's, across the board... completions, completion %, yds, ypa, long, tds, td%, ints<, int%, sks<, skyds, QB rating..The only catagory Anderson lost to this Super Bowl QB was the number of attempts.
And you say "DA is not a good QB"...and you talk about "drivel"?
I hope the Browns deal Anderson or Quinn so we don't have to hear you cry any longer about Quinn setting on the bench.
I'm sure if Quinn gets traded to say the Miami Dolphins, your a fish fan that quick and this board will not have to listen to your stuff any longer.
BTW, the Browns won 10 games with Anderson starting each of those wins...I think that is damned good for all "Browns fans", but not so good if your just a "Brady Quinn fan"...all my humble opinion.
Corp...let's take diam's name out of the above and put your name in and see how it fits you....especially this part..
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" CORPUS.., you can't take away what the man accomplished. You can cry and pout, but what Anderson did achieve is there for all to see and he did it in his "first year" as a starter.
You can attempt to highlight Anderson's negatives to drive his favorables down but all you need to do is look at the QB in the Super Bowl who did not put up numbers as good as Anderson's, across the board... completions, completion %, yds, ypa, long, tds, td%, ints<, int%, sks<, skyds, QB rating..The only catagory Anderson lost to this Super Bowl QB was the number of attempts.
And you say "DA is not a good QB"...and you talk about "drivel"?
I hope the Browns deal Anderson or Quinn so we don't have to hear you cry any longer about Quinn setting on the bench".
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Corpus...to say Anderson is not a good QB is pure bull. I counter your point about the schedule with ...
...ANDERSON WAS A FIRST YEAR STARTER AND HE WAS A ROOKIE IN GAMES PLAYED/STARTED.
...ANDERSON WAS PLAYING IN A BRAND NEW OFFENSE WITH A BRAND NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AND PLAY BOOK.
Corpus...is Eli Manning a good QB?
Many want to point to all of Anderson stats and use them to show he's terrible. But you then ignore the "fact" that Eli Manning has stats worse than Anderson's. Eli's poor stats are not just a one year either, but his entire 4 year career, he's had poor stats (by your standards).
Another QB you might want to look at, Phillip Rivers. His stats are very similar to Anderson's. You hear anyone saying Rivers is not a "good" QB?
Those of you making ridiculous claims such as Anderson is not a "good" QB...just admit your personal bias against Anderson...OR...you could keep writing your drivel to see how many will agree with your biased, ridiculous claims.
But, if Anderson is not a "good" QB, neither is Eli Manning and neither is Phillip Rivers.
Anderson needs time to mature...just as Eli and Rivers have needed time to mature. Anderson has the least experience of the three.
Honestly, I hope the Browns deal one of these guys and pray that the one remaining does not get hurt. Next year could be a very good year for the Browns...or ...it could be a year of injuries that ruin a teams chances of being successful.
I trust Savage to do what is best for the Browns...not just what's best for Brady Quinn.
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Yep! He played a pretty damned good "first half" of the season then went down hill from there.
He is what he is. Short pass? Touch? Overall accuracy? Footwork? Throwing on the run?
Yes, he does have some skills. He also has many limitatrions and weaknesses. It is what it is............
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I trust Savage to do what is best for the Browns...not just what's best for Brady Quinn.
It could be that these two are one in the same. At least from the standpoint of skill set and long range potential.
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Yep! He played a pretty damned good "first half" of the season then went down hill from there.
He is what he is. Short pass? Touch? Overall accuracy? Footwork? Throwing on the run?
Yes, he does have some skills. He also has many limitatrions and weaknesses. It is what it is............
Pit...Did you even read what I wrote?
Anderson was a "first year starter" in 2007.
Now tell us about Eli Manning's negatives?...How did Eli end up with numbers worse than Anderson's?
If you have a personal biased against Anderson, just admit it.
Or, if your biased against Anderson because you see him as an obstacle standing in the way of your boy starting...just admit it.
But don't play this game that Anderson is no good and Quinn should be the starter because you just love the guy.
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After watching DA's "entire body of work" and given the skill set of the two, I highly doubt Phil would have done things any different.
I threw that question out there about a week ago..
What if DA had shown that stuff earlier?
Would Phil still have moved up to take Quinn(no knock on BQ)..or would he have settled to go after Trent Edwards?
I know only he could answer that but it's interesting to speculate..
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Yep! He played a pretty damned good "first half" of the season then went down hill from there.
He is what he is. Short pass? Touch? Overall accuracy? Footwork? Throwing on the run?
Yes, he does have some skills. He also has many limitatrions and weaknesses. It is what it is............
Pit...Did you even read what I wrote?
Anderson was a "first year starter" in 2007.
Now tell us about Eli Manning's negatives?...How did Eli end up with numbers worse than Anderson's?
If you have a personal biased against Anderson, just admit it.
Or, if your biased against Anderson because you see him as an obstacle standing in the way of your boy starting...just admit it.
But don't play this game that Anderson is no good and Quinn should be the starter because you just love the guy.
What the hell does Eli Manning have to do with Derek Anderson?
And Eli's not a good QB. I don't want this "He led them to the Superbowl!!!!!!!!!!!" garbage. If the Browns had a D like they have there's a good chance we'd have been facing the Pats in the AFC title game last week.
The Giants have a better running game and worse pass protection but otherwise less of a supporting cast than DA had to work with (Shockey is no Winslow...and even then Shockey is on IR).
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Or, if your biased against Anderson because you see him as an obstacle standing in the way of your boy starting...just admit it.
Why does it always have to be like that?
If a person is talking about a certain player only, why does a different player come into the discussion? Why is it that if some one points out negatives about Shaffer at RT another person doesn't say, "You are biased because you want Tucker at RT?
It seems like any player's negatives can be pointed out without being called bias except at the position of QB.
Could it be that you don't want to hear the negatives regarding DA because you, yourself are biased in his favor?
This "your boy" crap is nothing but a weak attempt to make it seem as though you know more than the other poster. So the only reason he could possibly be in disagreement with you while finding negatives about "your boy", is because he has his own boy he'd rather see play.
When it resorts to Couch Coddlers, Holcolmb Humpers, Brady's Brats, or whatever, it is little more than a form of name calling in an attempt to make someone look stupid and through that, make yourself look better.
If I can convince anyone that you're stupid then at the same time I've convinced them that I'm not as stupid as you. That's the only attribute these name calling/labels have.
If you like player one and someone else likes player two, then by your own use of the label you too have "your boy". It's glaringly obvious.
There are a few who look at nothing objectively and so the label may fit. But used against everyone who disagrees with you it merely serves to show your own bias.
I know you've often said, "Whatever is best for the Browns", at the conclusion of your thoughts. But that can simply be a disclaimer trying to show that you have no agenda. But while you can say that, and at the same time accuse someone of having their boy, you are giving yourself away.
As I've read your posts on the QB subject, to me thay read like you want only what is good for the Browns...so long as it's DA at quarterback.
Everyone else has an agenda.
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Pit...Did you even read what I wrote?
Anderson was a "first year starter" in 2007.
Now tell us about Eli Manning's negatives?...How did Eli end up with numbers worse than Anderson's?
If you have a personal biased against Anderson, just admit it.
Or, if your biased against Anderson because you see him as an obstacle standing in the way of your boy starting...just admit it.
But don't play this game that Anderson is no good and Quinn should be the starter because you just love the guy.
You're reading FAR too much into my post mac. My point is VERY valid!
For every positive there is about DA, there is a question mark. You can call him a "first year starter" all you like. Fact is, this was his "third year" in the NFL.
And after THREE YEARS of being coached in the NFL he has NO touch on short passes. NONE! What, about a 50% completion on the SHORT stuff?
And, as your starts go UP, you should "improve" not "digress".
You see, I'm pretty much nutrel here. MAYBE, these weaknesses can be "coached out" of DA, maybe they can't. I don't know and don't claim to. But they've been trying to "coach it out of him" for three years now and it hasn't worked.
That's the point here. Like it or not, after three years as a pro, his footwork is still sloppy, his accuracy is irratic and he can't throw a short pass to save his ass.
So you can go on with this "first year starter" crap untill hell freezes over if you like, but pro coaches have been working with him on his weaknesses for THREE YEARS, not one.
I don't "favor" anybody as our QB. I do feel Quinn has all of the tools that DA lacks, if that's what you mean. And I believe his "long term potential" is greater than DA's.
But you see, I don't see these guys every day in practice. I don't coach them. So I'll let the chips fall where they may and support "The Cleveland Browns QB" no matter who that may be.
But don't sit here and make it sound like DA is "the best thing since sliced bread", when in fact, after three years as a pro, he has obvious deficiancies. And they're not "minor ones".
I'm not a "DA hater". But the facts are the facts.
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NFL notebook: Browns, Anderson begin negotiations Friday, January 25, 2008 2:59 AM The Cleveland Browns have opened negotiations with quarterback Derek Anderson by offering him a three-year contract, a source told The Dispatch yesterday. It is likely the first of many proposals as the sides attempt to reach an agreement before NFL free agency begins Feb. 29. The amount of the offer was not known. Anderson, who will be a restricted free agent, threw for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns in his first season as a starter. The Browns went 10-5 with him starting, and he became a Pro Bowl alternate. General manager Phil Savage has said the Browns will use its highest one-year tender on Anderson if a long-term contract cannot be reached. In making an initial three-year offer, it appears they don't want to go that route. A high one-year tender would require other teams to give the Browns a first- and third-round draft pick to sign Anderson, and the Browns would have the right to match any offer. -- James Walker http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/browns/stories/2008
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Thanks for the read Attack..
Savage eluded to this in his Thursday morning converstions with Wills and Snyder on WTAM yesterday.. Cool to see it in writing however....
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You can call him a "first year starter" all you like. Fact is, this was his "third year" in the NFL.
Pit...how many starts has Anderson got?
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And after THREE YEARS of being coached in the NFL he has NO touch on short passes. NONE! What, about a 50% completion on the SHORT stuff?
Pit, while your at it, tell us Anderson history such as who was his QB coach/mentor when he was a rookie, 2nd year and 3rd year?
Who were Anderson's coaches and what offense was he running each year?
Touch on Anderson short pass did get better as the season progressed. He is by no means a finished product and those claiming he can't and won't get better...that is pure BS.
You ever watch Brett Favre throw a short pass? Every WR that goes to Green Bay says you have to get used to the way Favre throws. Seems that no amount of coaching in Favre's 17 seasons has been able to change his touch on short passes. Just 2 yrs ago, Favre had a completion percentage of 56% for all passes.
Favre's 2006 season was his first year under a new head coach Mike McCarthy, who brought in a new QB coach, Tom Clements. Did Favre improve his play after poor season's in his 15th season (2005) and in his 16th season (2006)?
Don't tell me Anderson can not improve with good coaching...that is a bogus argument too.
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Pitt...read above "again".
If what your claiming were true, that QBs should only improve, all QBs would have a graph that does nothing but go up.
Is that what happens over a QBs career?...They only improve?
It can take a year or two to work out QB problems with the proper coaching(Favre as an example). Trying to make "conclusions" about Anderson's future based on Anderson's first year as a starter shows a such lack of football knowledge.
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But they've been trying to "coach it out of him" for three years now and it hasn't worked.
Pitt...tell us how you know Anderson's coaches have worked for 3 yrs to correct his flaws?
Your concluding that if Anderson is in the league 3 yrs, then the QB coaches have been working to mentor Anderson for 3 yrs. Your telling me that the Browns coaching staff focused on coaching up Anderson from the year he was claimed off of waivers in 2005?
Is that what happens when your the inactive-3rd QB for the final 14 games of 2005?
In Anderson's second season he moved up to the #2 QB position and did start 3 games when Frye was injured.
Pitt..which QB do you feel received most of the attention from the coaching staff in 2006..Frye or Anderson?
This season we had 4 QBs in camp with most of the time going to Anderson and Frye but Quinn and Dorsey also required some of the coaching staffs time. With all 4 QBs in camp, how much coaching help do you believe Anderson got?
The truth of the matter is, you can't be sure what weaknesses a player has until they actually play in some games. No doubt Anderson was the focal point for the QB coaching staff after Frye was traded. But don't you think the QB coaching staff has worked with Quinn from the day he ended his hold out?
Coaches only have so much time in a day to work with their players and the Browns had 4 QBs during the pre-season.
Don't hand me this "But they've been trying to "coach it out of him" for three years now and it hasn't worked"..."but pro coaches have been working with him on his weaknesses for THREE YEARS, not one"...
Do you really believe Anderson got 3 yrs of serious coaching in his three years in the league?
I will say this, maybe our QB coaching staff needs to improve.
When Favre had a terrible year in 2005 with 29 ints and a rating of 70.9, the Packers new head coach brought in one of the best QB coaches in the NFL, Tom Clements. It took Clements 2 yrs to coach up Favre and turn his game around.
And you believe a first time QB coach (Rip Scherer) in the NFL, with 3 yrs NFL experience all with the Browns...should be able to correct Anderson's problem area's in Anderson's 1st year starting?
Remember, Anderson was the #3 QB inactive for 14 games his first year and the back up QB to Charlie Frye, who definitely needed help from the QB coaches in his first year as a starter.
Realistically, Anderson probably got most of the QB coach's attention once he became the starter..15 games.
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But don't sit here and make it sound like DA is "the best thing since sliced bread", when in fact, after three years as a pro, he has obvious deficiencies. And they're not "minor ones".
Pitt...and Brett Favre had deficiencies that needed specialized QB coaching in his 16 yr in the NFL.
I have never claimed Anderson is anything but what he is. I will give him credit for what he has done. I cannot take his accomplishments away from him or the teams accomplishment during this 2007 season.
Do Anderson's accomplishments as well as the accomplishments of the team he QBed = ANDERSON IS A BAD QB?
Pitt..Some would want you (and everyone that will "follow" them) to think just that, that ANDERSON IS A BAD QB.
I think that is pure BS...
I do know for a fact, some will say anything to push their agenda....then claim they are football guru's of DawgTalk...lol..
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Have you actually ever watched Favre play?  Every thing you just said about him is a load of crap. Just because he has a cannon for an arm doesn't mean he doesn't have touch. He throws a screen pass (a pass that requires touch) better than most in the league. Also most of his passes are short passes that the receiver turns into a long gain. I also think you are giving the coaches far too much credit for his comeback. You should give a little more credit to the players around him. As they improved and the oline improved so did Favre's numbers. He is still the same QB he was 2 years ago. I know this because I have watched him for his whole career. How many games have you seen him play? I'm not saying DA can't improve but the example you listed is B.S. Comparing DA to Favre is ridiculous.
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web page NFL notebook: Browns, Anderson begin negotiationsFriday, January 25, 2008 2:59 AM The Cleveland Browns have opened negotiations with quarterback Derek Anderson by offering him a three-year contract, a source told The Dispatch yesterday. It is likely the first of many proposals as the sides attempt to reach an agreement before NFL free agency begins Feb. 29. The amount of the offer was not known. Anderson, who will be a restricted free agent, threw for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns in his first season as a starter. The Browns went 10-5 with him starting, and he became a Pro Bowl alternate. General manager Phil Savage has said the Browns will use its highest one-year tender on Anderson if a long-term contract cannot be reached. In making an initial three-year offer, it appears they don't want to go that route. A high one-year tender would require other teams to give the Browns a first- and third-round draft pick to sign Anderson, and the Browns would have the right to match any offer. -- James Walker
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Even money says I'm wrong as usual ; But I just don't see Savage giving DA. what his agent is going to Think he is worth. 
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You and me too lamp,, it's just getting stupid... Totally idiotic,,
You want to talk about masked name calling,, that's all this has turned into..
Wanna hear the funniest thing... we won 10 games last season,,, we appear to have turned the corner and are on the upswing..... and yet, another Deadbate is before us...
That's why I don't spend a lot of time taking part in this debate.
I've made my point probably 20 times about DA and Quinn, and I'll wait until the decision is made (whenever that is but the sooner the better) and we'll on move forward from there.
OK, once more and then I'm done... 
If we can get a team to drop a 1st-rounder for DA, do it and don't look back. If we find ourselves getting low-balled, let the two QBs fight it out in camp, but for Christ sake don't dilly-dally. Get a decision done by the second pre-season game.
If BQ wins the job in camp (odds are he will IMO but who knows for sure?), then we have a very capable backup in Anderson.
I like some of what DA does, but some of what he does is dreadful. But he's still done more than BQ at the NFL level so far and won some games for us, which is the bottom line.
We'll see what happens...
Hey Lamp, wassup? I agree with you, if DA is here then he's here; either as backup or starter (depending upon how ready Quinn is?) However, IF we get a 1st rd. offer for DA then I say jump on it before somebody comes back to reality, LOL. I think a 1st and 3rd is too much to expect for DA at this point. Maybe after another season of winning and showing improvement, who knows?
Now I'm not sure I'd get rid of DA for just a 3rd rd. pick? I don't think we should do that, maybe a 2nd and 3rd? That wouldn't be all bad. Obviously we could use some higher draft picks to help beef up the DL and D overall but if we end up with DA as starter or backup then I think we'll be solid at QB and then we'll have to rely on FA for the D! Here's hopin it works out whichever way the team goes!
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I think the tender is pretty much what they've expected all along.
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Even money says I'm wrong as usual ; But I just don't see Savage giving DA. what his agent is going to Think he is worth.
And likewise, DA would be stupid to take a 3 year deal when the lure of a 5-6 year deal on the RFA market is on the horizon.
Expect the tender to come soon.
3 years doesn't sound anything like a "long-term" deal. I'd have to imagine his agent demands 5 years minimum at Tony Romo money because Romo took a below-market deal. IMO the divorce between the Browns and DA is beginning.
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DA would be stupid to take a 3 year deal when the lure of a 5-6 year deal on the RFA market is on the horizon.
Then again,..this is ONLY thge beginning of the negotiaions.You know they're going to go up with the offer,...question is...how much?
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DA would be stupid to take a 3 year deal when the lure of a 5-6 year deal on the RFA market is on the horizon.
Then again,..this is ONLY thge beginning of the negotiaions.You know they're going to go up with the offer,...question is...how much?
Still, if DA was TRULY our guy, don't you think we'd try to lock him up for more years? The Cowboys didn't offer Romo a 3 year deal initially, they locked him up long-term.
I think this may not speak volumes, but it's a subtle hint towards our future intentions. I may be making a mountain out of a molehill but I know if I were in DA's shoes I'd think of the 3 year offer as an insult.
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Still, if DA was TRULY our guy, don't you think we'd try to lock him up for more years? The Cowboys didn't offer Romo a 3 year deal initially, they locked him up long-term.
and who's Romo's b/u???
You're right,...this might be a hint into where we wanna go.I really feel PS would prefer to get back into the draft with DA and will negotiate on his terms and his terms only.
I can't imagine the team not feeling comfortable with BQ starting next year(no QB controversy in 08'  ) and making huge improvements on D via a DA trade.
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A three year deal is just a starting point for Phil to see what DA & his agent are looking for, Money & contract wise, I'm sure money is on the average side, Phil dosent low ball but does normally offer a going rate, so i've heard.
If DA wants and outragious amount than we let him try out FA, we have the right to refuse if he gets what he wants, if not than he might sign for reasonable money, why start out with a long term contract, nobody can trade a player with a long term contract now days, and thats one of the steps we have to take. One reason we have to take that step is to show other teams who might be intrested in trading for DA that were serious about keeping him, they see he's signed and they know odds are were not gonna be releasing him or they cant get him FA. Another is it's also easier to trade a player under contract for the simple fact is you know exactly what your getting, a three year deal worth XXX amount of money, so all this going on is just positioning us for what DA might be wanting or looking for, Savage is covering his behind just in case. Remember Holcomb & Savage, Savage offered a fair average deal, Kelley wanted more, rejected the offer, Phil pulled the offer and let him walk to Buffalo.
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Still, if DA was TRULY our guy, don't you think we'd try to lock him up for more years? The Cowboys didn't offer Romo a 3 year deal initially, they locked him up long-term.
and who's Romo's b/u???
You're right,...this might be a hint into where we wanna go.I really feel PS would prefer to get back into the draft with DA and will negotiate on his terms and his terms only.
I can't imagine the team not feeling comfortable with BQ starting next year(no QB controversy in 08' ) and making huge improvements on D via a DA trade.
Also...our FO since Savage has come along has always negotiated in black or white. We either truly want you or we don't. We offer what we feel your value is to our team, and if you don't want it we don't pursue you. (see: The Kelly Holcomb negotiation as just one example)
I think the years are what mean more than the dollars because the dollars will work themselves out. The years are about whether we're committed to DA or whether we're not committed to him.
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I think this may not speak volumes, but it's a subtle hint towards our future intentions.
I don't think it means a damn thing. I am convinced that this is all a ploy. Not that I agree, but I'm convinced this is a ploy to demonstrate to all the other clubs that may have an interest in DA, that we want him also..
Personally I think if nobody bites on the deal, that's ok. We have a starting caliber QB in the fold and whether he starts or not, he's here.,. nice problem to have don't you think.
But if someone bites,, this could be very lucrative for the Browns in the way of Draft picks...
I'm telling you guys, there is more to this than just a 3 year deal... I just feel it in my weary bones..
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I'm telling you guys, there is more to this than just a 3 year deal
There is alot more to this....Phil has many diffrent ways to go, and they all are not bad, but Phil is not gonna show his hand until he thinks he has positioned the Browns in the best possible position.
If DA wants the world we trade him or let himi go FA and we start Quinn in 08.
If DA wants to resign and compete for a starting role than sign and we will have one start one back-up.
If DA goes FA we get picks to help our Def.
If DA is signed and we wanna go with Quinn than we do that
Were sitting good and we dont have to over pay anybody
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Pit...how many starts has Anderson got?
While being a three year veteran,he has had 17 starts over the past two seasons. And I'm quite sure over those ENTIRE three years, NFL caliber coaches worked on his "basic fundamentals" such as touch, accuracy and footwork.
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Pit, while your at it, tell us Anderson history such as who was his QB coach/mentor when he was a rookie, 2nd year and 3rd year?
Who were Anderson's coaches and what offense was he running each year?
Are you trying to say that ALL NFL coaches do NOT work on technique? That EVERYONE at the pro level has not been working on these "weaknesses" with DA over this his entire pro career? Because that IS MY point!
Sure, you learn new plays and new systems, but EVERY coach works on the QB's fundamentals. And ALL of these coaches were NFL coaches. That's the point of all of this.
I'm not trying to judge DA here. I'm simply bringing up OBVIOUS things that will be considered in this process. Only our coaching staff and FO know just how important they consider these factors and what DA's value is to THEM! The contract offers, length of contract, etc.... will be a strong indication of how they view his value.
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Touch on Anderson short pass did get better as the season progressed. He is by no means a finished product and those claiming he can't and won't get better...that is pure BS.
Who has said "He can't improve."?? It's something which that I "did not say". But I do wonder "how much" his "fundamentals" will improve after
having three years in the league to work on them already. Do I "know" the answer to that? Certainly not. Not any more than you do.
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You ever watch Brett Favre throw a short pass? Every WR that goes to Green Bay says you have to get used to the way Favre throws. Seems that no amount of coaching in Favre's 17 seasons has been able to change his touch on short passes. Just 2 yrs ago, Favre had a completion percentage of 56% for all passes.
Favre's 2006 season was his first year under a new head coach Mike McCarthy, who brought in a new QB coach, Tom Clements. Did Favre improve his play after poor season's in his 15th season (2005) and in his 16th season (2006)?
Boy, you are REALLY reaching!
Both 2005 and 2006 were Favres WORST seasons in a LONG while! Both from an accuracy and decision making standpoint. I like Favre as a QB. But his 2005 and 2006 seasons were AWFUL! To say otherwise is just plain silly. I hope he retires after this season so he can go out on a high note. And after watching his 2006 and 2006 season, I feel that may be what he's been looking for as well.
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Don't tell me Anderson can not improve with good coaching...that is a bogus argument too.
See, I've never said anything like that, but you guys act as if "he has no weaknesses and will get MUCH BETTER!". When the fact is, you know nothing of the kind.
As far as you guys driveling on and on about "getting behind DA", you same guys havo NO IDEA one way or the other how "Phil views things long term." Neither do I.
But both DA and BQ's strengths and weaknesses will be looked at. Their potential and athletacism will be looked at. Their performances will be looked at. And none of us know that outcome.
None of us knows Phils "threshold" for what HE is "willing to offer DA". So far, it hasn't been a "long term deal" has it? Three years. That makes sense to me. Now, if he sees as much as SOME PROFESS WE ALL SHOULD, why not a five year deal?
And yes mac, they've ALL worked with DA's "fundamentals" for three years!
Did the QB coach oversee it 24/7? Most likely not. But you have assistants that do. Was DA's technique the focus of the entire coaching staff 365 days a year?" Well of course not.
But don't play so coy as to insinuate that ALL NFL coaching staffs DON'T have people within their ranks that work with ALL of their QB's techniques consistantly.
Especialy and then turn around and question what THEY know about the game!
I'm not attacking DA. But quit acting like there aren't a lot of question marks about him, because there are. And they WILL be considered. How much impact they have on these conract talks, neither you nor I know.
How much DA can improve neither of us know. Nor anybody else on here for that matter. We don't even know IF they can COME to a contract agreement!
All I'm doing is pointing out his weakness AFTER three years of NFL coaching. You can worm around that all you want. But if they see Quinn as equal or better after ONE year, there's a lot to be said for that.
Now once again, I don't know how thay see that situation. But quit acting like DA is some kind of God or that you KNOW he'll improve substantialy. Because he's not and you don't.
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I don't think it means a damn thing. I am convinced that this is all a ploy. Not that I agree, but I'm convinced this is a ploy to demonstrate to all the other clubs that may have an interest in DA, that we want him also..
Personally I think if nobody bites on the deal, that's ok. We have a starting caliber QB in the fold and whether he starts or not, he's here.,. nice problem to have don't you think.
That pretty much what it all boils down to. DA has been here for two years. The FO office has a pretty damned good idea just how much he's progressed and what his athletric ability is.
So they HAVE a "ceiling" that I'm quite sure they already have decided they are and/or aren't willing to pay.
A decent three year deal wouldn't be a bad deal for anyone. It makes him tradable from a cap standpoint and if Quinn wins out you're not stuck with a long term, big cap hit back up.
So it's a win/win for Phil. If he can keep DA on a "three year deal" he gets a "reasonbly priced starter/insurance policy", depending on how QB competition goes.
This is much as I had expected. A two or three year deal. I think if we DO see a four year deal, it will all be front loaded. But for some reason, even if we DO make a "four year offer later", I don't see the $$$$ lining up with DA's expectations.
JMHO
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Could you please be more open ended...
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Pitt...tell us how you know Anderson's coaches have worked for 3 yrs to correct his flaws?
If I may, I'll butt in here and take a stab at that one...
This is how I know Anderson's coaches have worked for 3 years to correct his flaws:
They are coaches. That's what coaches do!
Coaches do that with everybody. Not just Anderson. Not just rookies. They coach.
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As far as you guys driveling on and on about "getting behind DA", you same guys havo NO IDEA one way or the other how "Phil views things long term." Neither do I.
LMAO. "You guys." Dude, for every DA supporter, there are 10 that rip him a new . mac was over the edge, but not any more so than some of "you guys" who manipulate stats and make crap up to denounce the guy.
I don't think anyone is asking anyone to "get behind" DA............although there are a few of us asking the mob to shut the hell up about how bad he is.
And ddubia............you are typically one of the fairest posters here, and I am a bit shocked that w/all the ridiculous posts on here that you choose mac's to ridicule. mac's post may very well have deserved ridicule, but the huge volume of posts that unfairly berate DA are a mountain compared to mac's molehill. If you wanna play referee, at least start w/the team that is committing the most fouls. 
Btw..........did anyone watch Brady and P. Manning in the two SD games? And you guys wanna talk about having time to throw, great catches, and accuracy? LMAO.
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Now I'm not sure I'd get rid of DA for just a 3rd rd. pick? I don't think we should do that, maybe a 2nd and 3rd? That wouldn't be all bad.
Hey rabid...
Yes, a 2nd and 3rd might be enough. Although maybe a very good backup in DA (at worst) is worth more to us than a 2nd and 3rd (although it depends who does the dealing and where they sit in the draft).
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Guys.............I'm wondering about something. How do you guys know what he is worth? I keep seeing 1st and 3rd....a 2nd and 3rd....a 1st and a player...........a 3rd and a used tire......etc, etc. But, how have you come up w/what he is worth to other teams or to us? I have no freaking clue what he is worth? None. And I know a little bit about the game. Just wondering how you guys are coming up w/these values. And it's not you Lamp............but most of the guys saying we can get a first and a third rounder are the same guys telling us how much DA sucks. 
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Yes, I've noticed.  I think we'd be lucky to get a 1st for him, but obviously I don't know what GMs in the NFL think of him. I wouldn't let him go for anything less than a 2nd and 3rd, and MAYBE not even then.
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So..........it's just idle speculation or we hope we can get.......... That's cool. I was just wondering if perhaps you all had something more scientific to go by that I was missing. I like what Savage is doing. He said DA is the starter. His coach--RAC--said DA was the starter. They are starting w/an offer for a 3 yr. deal, which--in a pm-- is what I told Diam I would offer DA if I were the GM. We might get lucky and break the bank. We might end up getting little in return. Who knows? What I do know is that I hope no one offers us too much for him this year. I think it would be best for the Browns if we keep both DA and BQ for at least another year. Let them battle it out in a fair competition in TC. Watch how that guy performs during the year and keep evaluating the other in practice. Neither is a sure thing. And by sure thing, I mean sure as in being good and sure as in sucking. The QB position is too important. I know some people wanna rush the process because they "like" a certain QB, but it would be wise to let it play out and keep two good prospects and give them each ample opportunity to "win" the job. I want the "best" guy to be our QB. I don't need to have the most "popular" guy be our QB.
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DiamDawg Dawg Talker Reged: Nov 06 2006 Posts: 1410 Re: THE CASE TO DUMP ANDERSON [Re: DeisleDawg] #340018 - Tue Jan 22 2008 08:41 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And Edwards is not a good receiver.... Winslow is not a good tight end.... Lewis is not a good RB....ect..ect..........because every thing was perfect for them...thats why they had the success they did...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh I never looked at it that way ... your absolutely right ... what was I thinking ... your so smart and intelligent and know so much about football ... thanks for straightening me out ... I thank my lucky stars for U and that awesome insight ... please ... tell me more .. I can't wait .. your almost as intelligent and know almost as much about football as Daman .. without U two I have no clue where I'd be ... Thanks again ... u DaMan .... Diam. You are such a "horses behind". I like BQ also, and agree with some of the things posted on this board about DA.....but you are rediculous...as I have said a number of years ago on another site. Your football "ego", surely manifests its self in your brazen disregard for others feelings and opinions due to the by-path that you have chosen to take. 
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The QB position is too important. I know some people wanna rush the process because they "like" a certain QB, but it would be wise to let it play out and keep two good prospects and give them each ample opportunity to "win" the job.
Yeah there's some valid argument there... but I don't know if DA is good enough to turn down a huge deal that comes our way, since we have Brady in the wings (and I know BQ hasn't proved anything and DA has some intangible qualities a lot of other QBs don't have).
I'm open-minded about the whole debate, mainly because I'm so uncertain. Who knows how either QB will turn out?
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May I throw a curve ball at you?
The real question might not be whether or not the Browns [and I am not talking about the fans and media........I am talking about the team] wants to keep DA or not.........it is whether DA wants to stay here or not.
That is the real issue. I would wink, but some might think I am kidding. *L*
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