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How do you guys know what he is worth? I keep seeing 1st and 3rd....a 2nd and 3rd....a 1st and a player...........a 3rd and a used tire......etc, etc. But, how have you come up w/what he is worth to other teams or to us?
I can't speak for the rest ... but personally I do sumptin not seem much in these here parts ... I THINK .. I use my NOODLE .. my NOGEN .. *L* ....
I break it down two ways ...
1. whats he worth to other teams ... and to me its not a 1st or even a 2nd rnd pick ... even though he did alot of good things .. IMO hes not worth that much due to his flaws ... and thats a personal thing .. to me the 3 main attributes I want my QB to have are:
1A. Brains ... as in making good football decisions ...
1B. Accuracy ....
3. Mobility ...
then after that the rest is just gravy ... I have said this for years and U know I have ... well IMO DA sorely lacks in all 3 of those ...
so to me if I was a GM from another team I'd rather take my pick in rnd 1 or higer in rnd 2 than take a HUGE chance on him ..
with all that said If I had everything else in place and just needed a QB and i had a REAL GOOD OL ... then I may roll the dice on DA depending on where I drafted ... problem is IMO their is no teams out there that fit the bill ..
whats he worth to us .. well hes got DECENT VALUE to us ... were the only team that can sign him for a reasonable amount of $$$ . at least this year .. we have the HAMMER FOR NOW .. problem is .. we lose it next year .. *L* ...
no way to let him go for anything less than a 1st or high #2 .. if we slip down into low 2nd then we need multiple players .. and thats still iffy ,. he definetly has VALUE TO US for what we can sign him for this year ... we have the REAL GOOD OL all ready in place .. even if he ends up the Back up (and he will .. ) he has more velue to us than a late 2nd or 3rd rnd pick ...
FACT IS Vers ... even though I am not a huge DA fan .. with what we have in place on the O and the fact were going to have a window open to us to go all the way .... IF WE DIDN'T HAVE BQ in the wings (and I know where u going to go with that statement .. save it for the dolts .. *L* .. ) .. MY TAKE on what to do with DA would be to tender him and then if he does decently ... franchise him and LOCK HIM UP ... why u may ask?? CAUSE WE HAVE THINGS IN PLACE FOR HIM TO SUCEED and it allows us to spend our RESOURCES in other spots ...
thats how I do it anyhow ... and bro .. I've said this from the begginig .. when people were starting to hang al over DA back in week 4 and 5 .. when there was 10 proclaiming him the best thig since sliced bread to every one of me ... THAT IS WHAT I SAID ... I said we would tender him .. no one would bite .. he'd be here .. and BQ will kick his ass and be the starter next year ..
I have not waivered in how I thought it would play out .. and sure enough DA came back to earth and played mediocre at best over the last 7 or 8 weeks ..
I hope someone bites and gives us the #1 ... I just don't see it happening ..
and for those comparing this to Romo .. there not following the bouncing ball .. this is no wheres near the same situation ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
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I have said it earlier in this thread reverse rolls, for just an instance, ask yourself would you want the FO of the Vikings per say to give up a 1 and a 3 for DA? Would you want the FO to give up a 1st for DA?? It's pretty simple to do actually, from there you have your answer as to his value in a trade sign deal.
I think Diam makes a good point, and I think I have been saying pretty much the same thing. "IF" you could find someone willing to pony up a 1st and 3rd, you don't even wait for the ink to dry before you refuse to match. But, it will never happen, so I wouldn't let my hopes my fantasies get ahead of the reality here.
DA's value is as insurance to the Browns. He is worth way way more to us then he would be in a trade. The Browns are basicly saying just that by the contract they are reported to have offered 3 years. That allows the Browns to have insurance should BQ fall on his face ( Not Likely) or if he should sustain and injury.
Again ask yourself is it worth it to have insurance -vs- a number 1 or a high #2 or a low #2 and perhaps a #3. Yes those players would or could have a positive impact on the Browns, no question there. But should BQ fall on his face, or should he have an injury issue then what. You expose yourself in 2 areas that you could have totally avoided by keeping DA. I know that there are those that think you can just go out and get a vet QB from the garbage heep, and continue, but I wouldn't want to even have to consider that possiblity. The main thing I want the insurance for is against BQ falling flat on his face. It is totally ignorant to turn your head away and act like it's not a possiblity. About 50% of all 1st round QB's do just that... Again is it worth it to forgo the picks for insurance.
By signing DA we can trade him next offseason should BQ prove himself. And if BQ should fall on his face we have DA. I think with the line we have injury is highly unlikely, but there is always risk.
At this juncture wether DA signs or not I keep him, period. I don't and wouldn't want to risk this teams future success on BQ at this point, and thats really what it boils down too. That and having a capable backup is never a bad thing to have. The advantage of having him here outwieghs his trade value at this juncture, IMHO.
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with all that said If I had everything else in place and just needed a QB and i had a REAL GOOD OL ... then I may roll the dice on DA depending on where I drafted ... problem is IMO their is no teams out there that fit the bill ..
Haven't read any of the previous 5 pages here, as I think I got a pretty good idea what's written there 
However, IMHO, there is one team that fits your bill: The Vikes. That line is loaded with pro-bowlers, and they have a run defense like no other. Combine those factors with a two-back duo that's unrivaled in the league.....
That's the one team that COULD....I don't will or should......want to do something like that. Jackson isn't exactly showing things that make them think he's a star-in-waiting, so I wouldn't put it past them to be the team to offer up something for him.
So here's a new question (though that's probably up for debate too *L*):
If you're the Vikes, do you spend a 1st rounder to acquire a QB who either wins the job, or becomes insurance in case you're former 2nd rounder fails?
That's the team, the team that we need to all keep our preliminary eyes on. They own the 17th pick in a rather weak NFL draft.........
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i live in Viking country-- they are sink or swim with Jackson. Childress is way to proud of a man to even think that he made a mistake. And actually, Jackson did start to improve as the season went on. The vikes receivers did not help the matter much either. Williamson is a first round bust, has hands of stone and his day as a viking must be numbered.
So don't count on the vikings trading for Anderson, i just don't see that happening.
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If you're the Vikes, do you spend a 1st rounder to acquire a QB who either wins the job, or becomes insurance in case you're former 2nd rounder fails?
Seems like we need to ask first how the Vikes feel about Jackson long term?
If they have a less than secure feeling about him...then do they feel the 17th pick is worth using on another rookie QB(Nooooo!) or bring in someone who actually is young and could run their offense?
If DA is mentioned among their coaches/GM..what do they feel about the film they have on him?
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I can't speak for the rest ... but personally I do sumptin not seem much in these here parts ... I THINK .. I use my NOODLE .. my NOGEN .. *L* ....
I break it down two ways ...
1. whats he worth to other teams ... and to me its not a 1st or even a 2nd rnd pick
Diam...you say your only stating your personal opinion?...But, it goes beyond that...it's your personal "biased" opinion.
You want to claim Anderson is a "bad QB" when he is a first time starter and put up some very good numbers and QBed this team to 10 wins.
You nor anyone have touched my question asking if Eli Manning is a "bad QB"?...WHY NOT?
Eli is in his fourth year as a starter and his numbers were worse than Anderson's in his first year as a starter...and you claim you use your NOGEN?
Making such ridiculous claims and finding support for your claims is not hard to do in here as many, "at times" don't use their nogen either.
First, you need to admit your a biased BQ lover and you see Anderson through the eyes of a BQ fan who see's BQ as the perfect fit for the Browns.
Daim...not a thing wrong with admitting the above..as we all have been there... where we believe certain players will help the team win.
What is wrong, is when you resort to the tactics of running the other guy (DA) down, proclaiming he's a "bad QB", in an effort to make your guy look better...and your guy has not started a damn game in the NFL.
That is why I responded to what you wrote.
Now, my personal take on the situation...Savage knows exactly what he's doing...and we don't know for sure what he's doing..none of us...all we can do is guess...WHY...there is more than one possible outcome.
I'm not a DA lover but I will defend him when "some" of our own fans start dissing our own players..especially when what some are claiming is "untrue".
DA is a young QB who still needs a lot of work and more time to mature and understand our offense. His performance as a first year starter was impressive until the later part of the season as the pressure to perform grew.
That said, Anderson could very well be on the block if a trade offer is made that suits Savage or if negotiations with Anderson are too difficult to reach a long term agreement.
I'm ok with Anderson being dealt if that is the way the situation works out.
For that matter, I wouldn't care if Quinn were dealt if that is what Savage feels is best for the Browns. I would be more surprised if that were to happen though. It's more likely that Anderson would go...but who knows?
There are too many variables to predict what is going to happen...anyone can "GUESS" and maybe guess correctly. But I'm happy letting the Browns handle the situation.
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The FACTS are that he can win and has the #'s to prove it,
No, the fact is that the Browns won 10 games and lost 6... how much did he contribute to the wins? How much did he contribute to the losses? How certain is it that what he did well this year will repeat? Can he improve on his weaknesses and if so how much and how fast? Well those are the things other people get paid big money to figure out.
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I think we'll end up keeping DA for atleast the 2008 season. I think the best trade offer Phil will receive will be a mid-late 2nd and I think he'll turn that down. The window is just starting to open for this team. Fix the defense and this team is primed to do some damage come playoff time. Keeping DA is insuring us against a potential QB catastrophe if our starter, whoever it is, goes down. We can't hold onto both of them longterm, but keeping them another year also buys us enough time to get a fulltime backup on this team.
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Pit, a few posts up, you referred to something you call the "crystal ball boys" - people attempting/thinking they know what DA can do, will do, etc. You were poking fun - making fun of someone to get your point across that DA, in your opinion, is not as good as he played this year.
"As good as he played"? No, not at all. Where did he rate among NFL starters in accuracy? I believe it was 28th. My point is that people seem to conveniantly "forget" that when you can run the ball, it opens up the pass. And JL rushed for over 1300 yards. Bottom line, I think people aren't looking at "the big picture" of how much of a "team effort" it took to get where we got, rather than just "one guy". And I have pointed out some of the weaknesses in his game that will be critical in "setting his value" IMO
I have also questioned "how much more" he can/will improve on his footwork and accuracy after being a pro for three years already. I don't have the answer to that question, neither does anyone else. My point was, RAC and the FO have had him here for two years, so I'm sure they have a much better idea than we do. And I believe they will only offer him what THEY value him at considering all of these factors.
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Your take, I believe, is to get draft picks for him so we can improve the d, and also so that Quinn can start. Now, here's the $64 question: Which crystal ball are you looking at in your belief that Quinn will be as good/better than DA was this year?
My take is, I don't know who will start and at this juncture, I don't know "who our coaching staff and Phil" think is "our QB of the future". Neither do these other guys. And I do believe the way Phil looks at that situation will dictate just how much and how long the contract offer to DA will be.
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What factual evidence do you base that on? His 3 or 5 passes in real games?
The only "fact" that I see that "indicates" that BQ is our "QB of the future" is the high draft investment and great effort that Savage went to in order to acquire Quinn. We gave this years first AND last years second. Looking at Phils track record in the draft, when he invests that high, he usually has pretty big plans for that player.
All I've said, if you actually bothered reading the posts Arch, is that people seem to "take it for granted" that "DA is the future" or that giving up draft picks and or proven NFL players now as a "one year insurance policy" for Quinn ( both of which have been tossed around ) is not a given and is also very much a gamble of losing out on building for the future.
I don't know who will start next year, or who ill even be here next year for that matter. But DA is not "the only possibility" here.
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Not picking a fight. Hear me out:
DA is a proven commodity. We know what we have with him. We've seen the good and the bad. We also have to understand that he was a first year PLAYER (notice I did not say it was his first year in the league). There is room for growth, and it will undoubtedly happen - how much growth is the question concerning DA.
And that is pretty much what I have said. We were EXTREMLY lucky in the "OL injury department" this year. Now what happens with a couple of injuries on our OL?? How is DA's accuracy "on the move"? How about his footwork, short passes when rushed? Yes, we do know his "strengths and weaknesses".
And no, he had three starts last year. So he's a three year veteran, a "second year player/ first year starter". So how much he can improve upon his weaknesses is questionable. Sorry, but I've never claimed to "have the answer" to that question either. Once again, neither does anybody else.
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So, do we dump our proven commodity in order to get some picks to shore up the d, while at the same time turning our offense over to an unproven commodity?
I'd say that depends a lot on "what he's proven to Phil and RAC". EVERY commodity has its "value". I have no idea on "how highly they value DA".
Pretty much like..........a truck let's say................
You drive that truck. You've been driving it for two years. (which is how long DA has been here) So you pretty well know every ding, knock, noise that truck has. You of all people know the value that truck has to you.
I'd say that equates to how Phil and RAC see things. I'd say if they feel if they can keep that truck at what they see as a "reasonable value" they will keep that truck. If not, they will let it go.
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My answer is no. I'd like to see us keep both. If Quinn wins the starting job, so be it - we then know we have a good backup qb if need arises. If DA beats out Quinn again next year, well, good thing we kept him.
I'm not a numbers guy and I don't want to be - after all, the Browns aren't paying me to make the decisions.
And neither am I. My entire premise is that "we don't know enough" to make those decisions. We don't KNOW who they "see as our future QB". We don't KNOW how highly they value DA or will offer him. We don't know how much DA will be asking for or how long of a contract he will be wanting.
In short, we don't know if a deal can be made to make "keeping this commodity as being reasonable".
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But, before you negatively categorize someone as a crystal baller for wanting to keep DA, realize that those people that want to dump DA in order for Quinn to start are basing their opinions on the same crystal ball. (it's all based on Quinn's "upside", whch we haven't seen.)
See, I don't really "advocate" either one. But you see, those same people who do get "paid for making these decisions" have been driving "two trucks". The DA and the BQ. I believe they know the strengths, weaknesses and which of these trucks they plan on driving for the long haul.
I feel if they see DA as that truck, they'll be willing to shell out some major coin and tie him up long term. If they choose the BQ truck, you'll see a limited length and figure offered to DA that will indicate such. Like I said, every commidity has a certain value.
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Oh, and I cede to you that DA had some short throw accuracy problems during games. I personally don't see, with him being a first year PLAYER, that that is reason to get rid of him.
It's not a question of "getting rid of him". It's a question of "what is he worth to RAC and Phil"?? Somewhere along the line, they will have to make a commitment. And that commitment will be in line with what they see his "value" as.
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If and when Quinn is the starter, I'm sure in his first year as a PLAYER, we'll see deficiencies in his play as well. That doesn't mean we dump him for a new qb, does it?
Well, after he's been coached in the NFL for three years, I guess we'll see just how well he plays huh?
Here's a question for all of those who support us "keeping DA".....................
At what price? How much is too much?
Because that's the entire key here. I'm not for "throwing DA away". I just believe that DA will want more, possibly for longer, than Phil is willing to pay. I believe Phil has a price he would accept for DA and a price he's willing to pay DA.
And I would say he has a pretty damned good idea who his "QB of the future" is. After DA being here for two years, I think they have a pretty firm grasp of "his ability to improve" and his strengths and limitations. Everything will be predicated upon that.
JMHO
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To put it in short terms........WAS I TALKING TO YOU?
On a public message board? You're talking to EVERYBODY!
Get a clue.............
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Good One .... the Vikes are a perfect fit ... problem is that childress drafted him .. and he did show signs of improvement to end the year ... he STINKS and IMO will eventually lead to childresses undoing there as no matter how good their Run D and OL and RB's are he will never be remotely close to a game manager witch with that combo of talent could take u all the way ... he will make too many mistakes and kill them every damm time ... If I were Childress ... I'd examine the FA market and look for a GAME MANAGER AND IF none of them were available ... I'd have to seriously consider the Flawed One (can u guess who that is my new nickname for ... *LOL*) .... unfortunatly for us ... thats not gonna happen ...  .. and believe me i hope i need some sauce for my crow on this one ...
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They are going to be talking about Quinn and Anderson on ESPN 2 1st take today.. just saw them announce it.
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You nor anyone have touched my question asking if Eli Manning is a "bad QB"?...WHY NOT?
I'll touch that question.... up until the last few games of this season, yes, he most absolutely was a bad QB. He's playing LIKE a good QB now, but until he does it consistently over more than just a couple of weeks, I would hold off on saying that he is one... instead I'll just say that he is looking like he will be one.
A light went on or he just started caring or he stopped worrying about trying to live up to big brother and daddy .... whatever. Until recently though, he was NOT a good QB.
Browns is the Browns
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It's not a question of "getting rid of him".
I think that statement right there is where alot of people are jumping the gun on this "deadbait" (to borrow someones else's phrase).
I don't think I or anyone else just wants to dump DA for Quinn. The BIGGEST question is what is his value. Not ONLY too us, but too other teams as well.
In reading most of these posts, I don't think anyone on here really knows the answer to that question. Is he worth a 1st and 3rd? Is he worth a high 2nd? etc.
My ONLY fight in this arguement is that I don't think we are a complete team yet. I think we need some help still, maybe not ALOT of help, but a considerable amount, and more than we may be possibly able to fill through one FA'gency period and one draft (as we now stand). At least to be a legitimate/consistant SB contender. Can DA help us get that help by signing and trading or by a high tender? MAYBE
I have pretty much stayed out of this fight/debate, and will continue to due so, but if we do "get rid of DA", I am going to trust that Savage and Co. know what his "VALUE" is to this team and deemed it worthwhile to us AS A TEAM.
If we hold onto DA and go into camp with both Quinn and DA, well, I'll be OK with that as well. DA can help this team win games, one way or another .
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nice to see the same ol' drivel continue..... 
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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/bro...LN.html?sid=101Link to story about DA and his contract status. I keep reading that we will know DAs value when the team starts making serious offers. While this is initial offers I say there is a HUGE difference between 3 years and 5 years. I say we just saw what Phil thinks his value is. So do we cave and give either a 5 or maybe a 4 year deal? Would that cause BQ to sulk and not preform up to his ability? This is being discussed by PFT as well. I know some people don't like that site but hey it's free and his write up in pretty good. I say we now let DA play out his current contract. See how he does in training camp and the season. If he does great, well pay the man whatever it takes. Or franchise him.
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Contract length an issue for QB Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:06 AM By James Walker THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Neal C. Lauron | DISPATCH Browns quarterback Derek Anderson took over as the starter and embraced the role. Blogging the Browns James Walker says Take your pick: Browns or Anderson Statistics, standings, schedules Your one stop on Dispatch.com for the fine print on the NHL, NBA, NFL, major-league baseball, golf, soccer and auto racing NFL Rob Oller commentary: Brady just normal guy before, after stardom Thursday, January 31, 2008 Patriots' whiz kid got his start in Ohio Thursday, January 31, 2008 Daily line Thursday, January 31, 2008 The Cleveland Browns and quarterback Derek Anderson are at least two years apart in contract negotiations, a source told The Dispatch yesterday. The Browns opened negotiations last week by offering Anderson a three-year deal, but Anderson's representation is seeking a longer term, about five years. The sides hope to reach a deal before free agency opens Feb. 29. Tony Romo of Dallas and Matt Schaub of Houston are recent gauges for quarterback signings. Romo signed a six-year, $67.5 million contract and Schaub a six-year, $48 million contract. It's unlikely the Browns would go that high in years or salary with Anderson, especially with Dublin native and former first-round pick Brady Quinn as the backup. Anderson threw for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns with 19 interceptions last season after becoming the starter in the second game. He went 10-5 and was named a Pro Bowl alternate. Browns general manager Phil Savage said the team will use its highest one-year tender on Anderson, a restricted free agent, if a long-term contract cannot be reached. That would require teams to give Cleveland first- and third-round draft picks to sign Anderson, and the Browns also would have the right to match any offer. jwalker@dispatch.com
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How do you guys know what he is worth? I keep seeing 1st and 3rd....a 2nd and 3rd....a 1st and a player...........a 3rd and a used tire......etc, etc. But, how have you come up w/what he is worth to other teams or to us?
I can't speak for the rest ... but personally I do sumptin not seem much in these here parts ... I THINK .. I use my NOODLE .. my NOGEN .. *L* ....
I break it down two ways ...
1. whats he worth to other teams ... and to me its not a 1st or even a 2nd rnd pick ... even though he did alot of good things .. IMO hes not worth that much due to his flaws ... and thats a personal thing .. to me the 3 main attributes I want my QB to have are:
1A. Brains ... as in making good football decisions ...
1B. Accuracy ....
3. Mobility ...
then after that the rest is just gravy ... I have said this for years and U know I have ... well IMO DA sorely lacks in all 3 of those ...
so to me if I was a GM from another team I'd rather take my pick in rnd 1 or higer in rnd 2 than take a HUGE chance on him ..
with all that said If I had everything else in place and just needed a QB and i had a REAL GOOD OL ... then I may roll the dice on DA depending on where I drafted ... problem is IMO their is no teams out there that fit the bill ..
whats he worth to us .. well hes got DECENT VALUE to us ... were the only team that can sign him for a reasonable amount of $$$ . at least this year .. we have the HAMMER FOR NOW .. problem is .. we lose it next year .. *L* ...
no way to let him go for anything less than a 1st or high #2 .. if we slip down into low 2nd then we need multiple players .. and thats still iffy ,. he definetly has VALUE TO US for what we can sign him for this year ... we have the REAL GOOD OL all ready in place .. even if he ends up the Back up (and he will .. ) he has more velue to us than a late 2nd or 3rd rnd pick ...
FACT IS Vers ... even though I am not a huge DA fan .. with what we have in place on the O and the fact were going to have a window open to us to go all the way .... IF WE DIDN'T HAVE BQ in the wings (and I know where u going to go with that statement .. save it for the dolts .. *L* .. ) .. MY TAKE on what to do with DA would be to tender him and then if he does decently ... franchise him and LOCK HIM UP ... why u may ask?? CAUSE WE HAVE THINGS IN PLACE FOR HIM TO SUCEED and it allows us to spend our RESOURCES in other spots ...
thats how I do it anyhow ... and bro .. I've said this from the begginig .. when people were starting to hang al over DA back in week 4 and 5 .. when there was 10 proclaiming him the best thig since sliced bread to every one of me ... THAT IS WHAT I SAID ... I said we would tender him .. no one would bite .. he'd be here .. and BQ will kick his ass and be the starter next year ..
I have not waivered in how I thought it would play out .. and sure enough DA came back to earth and played mediocre at best over the last 7 or 8 weeks ..
I hope someone bites and gives us the #1 ... I just don't see it happening ..
and for those comparing this to Romo .. there not following the bouncing ball .. this is no wheres near the same situation ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
They do both have the same inability to win the big game.. Other then that, I also scratch my head to the salary comparison that the Anderchoke camp is looking for, just unreal..
It will never happen.. I say let him go to Baltimore, then we can chew on his mistakes for 2 games a year, if he even starts..
Without this Oline in Cleveland, Anderson wont see many games as a starter.. If he has 1 second less, then what he got here, his game will get much worse, almost like PreSeason o7
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I say let him go to Baltimore, then we can chew on his mistakes for 2 games a year, if he even starts..
Be careful what you wish for.... you just may get it. The Ravens just saw Anderson and the Browns beat them twice this past year... and with the QB woes they've had down there,, they'd be nuts not to look at re-aquireing Anderson..
I'm pretty sure the Ravens management is at least as smart as you are,, so I think it's safe to say that you can bet that if they did acquire Anderson, the next step would be to improve thier offensive line.
So yeah, be careful what you ask for..
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I say let him go to Baltimore, then we can chew on his mistakes for 2 games a year, if he even starts..
Be careful what you wish for.... you just may get it. The Ravens just saw Anderson and the Browns beat them twice this past year... and with the QB woes they've had down there,, they'd be nuts not to look at re-aquireing Anderson..
I'm pretty sure the Ravens management is at least as smart as you are,, so I think it's safe to say that you can bet that if they did acquire Anderson, the next step would be to improve thier offensive line.
So yeah, be careful what you ask for..
I hear ya..
I would still love to see it happen, SOON.. 
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Hehehe...Anderson in Bmore.. Got me shaking...  First people were scared that Ngata would tear us up once we traded the pick to them.. Well he hasn't....oh well.. Now if we let DA go to him, we're doomed... While I don't like trading within the division... if it's done it's because the traded player isn't valued to be a serious threat to the team that let him go.. If DA went to Bmore...who's he going to throw to? U tell me..their receivers are all that?  Do they actually have any?
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Once we make some minor upgrdes, these Browns are going to be unstoppable.. Now that I think about it, I dont think Anderchokes Agent will let him go to Baltimore, If he has any tpe of brain.. They really have nothing, as far as playmakers, and now a new coach.. Anderchoke needs the protection to survive.. If he doesnt have a line, he is doomed.. We all know how well he checks down 
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Baltimore would not be a good place for DA, or any quarterback. While they have a Pro Bowl RB <cough>Lewis got screwed</cough> that's about it on offense.
If he were to leave, he'd be better off going to Minny, or even Detroit, where there are least some guys to compliment him.
If we did deal him to Baltimore, I imagine we'd ask more than we would from a non-divisional rival. What would that be? What would they be willing to give up?
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Now if we let DA go to him, we're doomed...
Now be fair AD,,, when did I say we are doomed if DA went to Bmore?
What I did say, and I stand by it, is that the other poster I was responding to should be careful what he asks for. he may get it.
What I didn't bring up is that DA knows our Offense. More importantly, he knows the Browns (chuds) thinking on how to defeat the D of the Ravens. That isn't going to help the Browns much if DA goes there..
Of course, Chud will hopefully change just enough to make it difficult for the Ravens,, but the thought of Rex Ryan, who's apparently been retained as DC in Baltimore, having inside info on our offense, doesn't really set to well with me.
That's why I think it won't happen. Those are some of the reasons why I don't expect Savage to let Baltimore out bid us for DA..
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Oh Attack, your thoughts on who DA would throw too in Bmore are quite valid,, they got next to nothing...
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What I didn't bring up is that DA knows our Offense So? Frye knew our offense ..did it help Seattle stifle it? Bmore has film..just like any other team.. More importantly, he knows the Browns (chuds) thinking on how to defeat the D of the Ravens. That isn't going to help the Browns much if DA goes there..
 Every division team knows each other's tendencies..doesn't mean it's going to help stop the other.. Knowing something and being able to execute is another thing.. but the thought of Rex Ryan, who's apparently been retained as DC in Baltimore, having inside info on our offense, doesn't really set to well with me.
Yeah you go ahead and worry about stuff like that..
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Yeah you go ahead and worry about stuff like that..
Thank you for granting me permission to worry about what I want to worry about Oh Great One... I shall defend you to the realm as a leader that allows his subjects thier own minds,,,,
Geez
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Just start using that mind properly my subject...
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So?
Frye knew our offense ..
Some would beg to differ.
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Hehehe...Anderson in Bmore..
Got me shaking...
First people were scared that Ngata would tear us up once we traded the pick to them..
Well he hasn't....oh well..
Now if we let DA go to him, we're doomed...
Great comparison.
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All I can say is If Anderson thinks his agents can get Tony Romeo $$ out of the Browns let them try....I would be shocked if we did that  ....I any one else who wants to pay him $ 67.5M with 30M guaranteed and is willing to give us a 1st & 3rd Rd. picks....A deal should be made ASAP.... However , since Anderson has put his foot him mouth instead of uping his value , he just lowered it with such an outragous request IMHO (According to the PD)....On the flip side , Quinn's value only goes down as long as he sits....Considering we gave up our 1st Rd. pick for him , I think we have to start him or we never gain value out of the transaction and it goes down as1 of the worst trades in Browns History.....
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However , since Anderson has put his foot him mouth instead of uping his value , he just lowered it with such an outragous request IMHO (According to the PD)....
Can you show me that quote?
I saw where it said it was "believed" that Anderson's agents wanted Romo money. but I never actually saw the quote where Anderson said that. And you are saying that Anderson said that?
I also saw where DA said it was a process and that it needs to play out. But, I must have missed the part where DA is quoted as saying he wants Romo money.
Post it........or retract your statement!
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He can't post an exact quote Vers,, It's never been established that DA or his Agents ACTUALLY asked for Romo money... But of course YOU know that.. That's why you asked him to post it or retract it. Here's the deal folks.. The perfect statement for a reporter to make in order to get a response is "It's BELEIVED that DAs agents are looking for Romo type money"! By making that statement, a reporter hopes to catch either DA or one of his agents or Savage or RAC off guard and get some kind of insight into what DA is REALLY asking for.. It's one of those statements thats designed to get a retort of some kind.. Now here's the really funny part... I haven't heard ONE word about a contract being sent to Savage from DAs agents... have you? Has anyone reported that DAs agents sent a counter proposal to Savage? So, if that hasn't happened,, how in the heck does anyone actually know enough to make a statement like "it's believed that DA's agents are looking for Romo type money"? It's MADE UP! One other dumb point... why are we always so concerned about what a guy gets in a contract.. I mean to an degree, we all wanna play armchair GM for the Browns.. but in the end,, to get into arguments over it seems about as dumb as can be.... I understand that at one time, not very many people on here trusted Savage or RAC or for that matter Randy Lerner... for good reason I might add. We'd been burnt quite often lately and for the most part, we didn't know if this was another torch job like the others.. But in 3 years, the one thing that Savage has proved is that he's no dummy. So how about a little blind faith that he knows what he's doing..... By making those statements, understand, I'm not trying to pick on anyone or any particular point of view.. really, no agenda here.. OK,, you can all flog me if you wish now....
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However , since Anderson has put his foot him mouth instead of uping his value , he just lowered it with such an outragous request IMHO (According to the PD).
One of those cases where someone reads something posted on here and takes it as a fact when it is not.
What you read was where Ammo posted the PD article and made the claim that DA wanted Romo money as the title...........as Vers said, please show us where DA has made this claim that you speak of. Should be easy, since it was "according to the PD."
It's not an "outrageous" request even if it were true......it's called "contract negotiations" and it's not something that we have never seen before.
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He can't post an exact quote Vers,, It's never been established that DA or his Agents ACTUALLY asked for Romo money... But of course YOU know that.. That's why you asked him to post it or retract it.
No, he asked because it was made up by a poster on here.....see above. 
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So, if that hasn't happened,, how in the heck does anyone actually know enough to make a statement like "it's believed that DA's agents are looking for Romo type money"?
It's MADE UP!
Yep. On here it was in the other DA thread when Ammo posted it for sensationalism purposes as he often does.
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So how about a little blind faith that he knows what he's doing.....
Wait and see mode, that's what we're in........ 
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So how about a little blind faith that he knows what he's doing.....
The TO's blind enough???
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No, he asked because it was made up by a poster on here.....see above.
Did you think I didn't know that Mammal made the statement and that's what Vers was responding to? Geez
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Yep. On here it was in the other DA thread when Ammo posted it for sensationalism purposes as he often does.
Oh well,, If you ask Ammo, he'll be honest and tell you that he loves and craves attention. He's actually said that once or twice. He probably loves that you brought his name up.. LOL
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Wait and see mode, that's what we're in........
LOL Yup, that's all this time of year really is isn't it.. Wait and See.. Except, is it just me, or should there be a aire of confidence in our FO and Coaching staff that couldn't have been there with prior regimes.? I sense there should be, but I'm not sure it's really there? And I can't explain why!
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WTF is a TO?
Having spent several years in the military,I thought I was good at acronyms,but this has me stumped.
The sentence "The TO's blind enough???"gives no clue as to what/who/where a TO is.
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Yep. On here it was in the other DA thread when Ammo posted it for sensationalism purposes as he often does.
Yes, posting a "Browns article" on a Browns Message Board from the Plain Dealer is NOT what we're supposed to do here.
You guys ardre frickin' unreal sometimes.
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