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All I can say is If Anderson thinks his agents can get Tony Romeo $$ out of the Browns let them try....I would be shocked if we did that ....I any one else who wants to pay him $ 67.5M with 30M guaranteed and is willing to give us a 1st & 3rd Rd. picks....A deal should be made ASAP...
Actually this is great...Anderson's HELPING US BLOAT HIS WORTH...
Go for it...If he wants that much and when it comes time to talk to any other team at these figures it helps...Anyone wanting to pay a QB THAT much is of the thinking he's worth ALOT more than a 3rd rounder... 
Now Minny knows his own perceived market...They KNOW what he's lookin' for in years & bucks...And he ain't gettin' it here...Let's see what happens...
Keep to your gunz Savage...If he gets a visit...They're talkin' big bucks...And with big bucks comes the notion he's a WANTED MAN...Worth every bit a FIRST ROUNDER...How bad u want em'???????????... 
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Yep. On here it was in the other DA thread when Ammo posted it for sensationalism purposes as he often does.
Yes, posting a "Browns article" on a Browns Message Board from the Plain Dealer is NOT what we're supposed to do here.
You guys ardre frickin' unreal sometimes.
Please try to keep up, you're doing a poor job of it. I'm not going to explain it to you.....
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You guys ardre frickin' unreal sometimes.
Pit,, not for nothin, but I think Shep was not referring to the article posted, but to the embellishment put forth by Ammo.. I could be wrong about that, but I think that's what he meant...
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I read the article in the Friday PD at af riends where Anderson seemed to imply that our offer mentioned at 15-20M for 3 years was a disappointment and that he was going to defer to his agents to attempt to get a deal done....I remember the exact quote , but it's mentioned the Anderson , his agent or whoever is actually making the contract request were on another level and than Romeo's deal is mentioned as being that level.....This could all be a way for Anderson to drive the price up , hoping that while he won't get Romeo's 6 year 67.5M(with 30M guaranteed) out of the Browns that they might find middle ground somewhere in between.....My main point was to emphasize that IMHO there is No Way the Browns give him Romeo $$ , but it is possible that their orginal offer mentioned at 3 years15-20M might go up due due to this tactic....but I personally just can't see that happening , Mr. Savage knows how to play the game and IMO he won't blink  ....
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I read the article in the Friday PD at af riends where Anderson seemed to imply that our offer mentioned at 15-20M for 3 years was a disappointment and that he was going to defer to his agents to attempt to get a deal done....I remember the exact quote , but it's mentioned the Anderson , his agent or whoever is actually making the contract request were on another level and than Romeo's deal is mentioned as being that level....
Really? You said previously that Anderson put his foot in his mouth by saying he wants Romo money. Here, take a look:
All I can say is If Anderson thinks his agents can get Tony Romeo $$ out of the Browns let them try....I would be shocked if we did that ....I any one else who wants to pay him $ 67.5M with 30M guaranteed and is willing to give us a 1st & 3rd Rd. picks....A deal should be made ASAP.... However , since Anderson has put his foot him mouth instead of uping his value , he just lowered it with such an outragous request IMHO (According to the PD)...
Once again, I am asking for the exact quote where DA is quoted as saying he wants Romo money?
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It was this guy ..... who heard it from a friend ..... who heard someone on the radio say something about some other guy who was "really" close to the situation ........  
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Oh, I'm "keeping up" just fine.
Common sense dictates that DA and his agent WILL BE AFTER Romo money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
On the other hand, IF Phil looks at BQ as our future, he won't pay DA "more" than Quinn. Pretty basic really.
And everybody on the "DA bandwagon" wants to discredit anything that remotely suggests that this is the case.
With all the drivel I've seen, it's not hard to "keep up".
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Oh, I'm "keeping up" just fine.
Common sense dictates that DA and his agent WILL BE AFTER Romo money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
I don't know what makes you say that.. I know it isn't because of some reporter saying it's believed to be the case,,, you are not that gulliable,,, I know damn well you wouldn't fall for that.. So I can only guess there is something else that either DA or his agents or Savage said that makes you think that's true...
I can't even remember a story giving any indication that a counter proposal from DAs agent to the Browns has been reported.. Truth is, I've been busy so I may have missed it... did I?
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No. Actually you're not. You tried to give me hell for saying that it was not okay for someone to post a news article when it wasn't about that at all.
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Common sense dictates that DA and his agent WILL BE AFTER Romo money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Common sense dictates that they will be after the best deal possible. Nowhere has it been stated by DA or his people that they want a deal like Romo's.
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Actually, he may do just that.....for at least one year. That remains to be seen as of yet.
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Not hardly, IMO. There is no bandwagon as we saw back "in the day" with Couch and that BS, with the exception of the now closed thread where people got nasty once again with one another for no good reason.
The best scenario would be to have both QBs on the roster and have DA sign the short term deal and have the kids battle it out in camp and may the best man win.....we would have probably the best 1-2 punch in the league under Center. And I truly think and feel that is what every Browns fan wants.....the best man under Center.
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With all the drivel I've seen, it's not hard to "keep up".
Yet you missed the boat with your previous comments........the article was posted, and there is nothing wrong with that. But to pass off the article as saying something that it doesn't is ridiculous and done for the sake of attention and sensationalism. Because that's what sells papers..... 
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Works for me..Daman was one of the few who was worried about Ngata going to Bmore..now it's DA...
Second thing..it won't happen..Phil won't deal him to a division rival..
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Works for me..Daman was one of the few who was worried about Ngata going to Bmore..now it's DA...
I hate it when anyone tells me what I am and am not worried about.....
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If they tender him, it doesn't matter. Anyone can grab him. All Phil can do is match the offer. Which could be hard to do knowing you're taking a #1 and #3 from Baltimore.
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I don't know what makes you say that.. I know it isn't because of some reporter saying it's believed to be the case,,, you are not that gulliable,,, I know damn well you wouldn't fall for that.. So I can only guess there is something else that either DA or his agents or Savage said that makes you think that's true...
You are right. It had "nothing" to do with the article and it was also "nothing" anyone has said. It's basic "supply side" economics. You simply look around the league at what QB's were signed for under "similar" circumstances, and you go from there.
You had Shaub at 48 mil and Romo at 60 mil. That was "last year". Each year the salary cap goes up, they increase that "value" by the same percentage as the cap raise.
So it's only common business practice that DA's agents are looking at 5-6 years at 50-60 mil. Basic math, basic business. I actually posted that DA would be looking for somewhere between Shaub and Romo money well before any "stories came out".
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I can't even remember a story giving any indication that a counter proposal from DAs agent to the Browns has been reported.. Truth is, I've been busy so I may have missed it... did I?
The only thing I believe that you are missing, is logical deduction when looking at the situation. This draft class is terribly weak at QB IMO. You have teams and new coaches looking for a QB with very few options. So the market is "prime" for DA from my perspective.
Now let's be honest here. If you were DA's agent (s), why would you agree to a deal worth LESS THAN HALF of the Shaub deal?
You see, at this time, DA is one of a very few options teams can turn to which gives him pretty good marketability. He's coming off of a "winning season". An agent would be commiting "professional suicide" by doing that! So I see no logical conclusion accept for someone pulling an idiot move.
A. Savage pays big bucks to keep DA
B. Agent has a "give away program" we're not aware of.
Because in todays game, the "market" sets the price. In a QB starved league, that price is terribly inflated right now.
And yes, we can RFA DA, and he leaves at the end of next year, netting us "nothing". Or, we can get something for him now. If we don't blow that by tendering him too high.
Why would an agent throw one of his players into a situation where he's making HALF (or less) than other QB's in similar circumstances, in a city that has a first rounder waiting in the wings where DA may not even get to start next year?
There's two sides to every coin and I don't see a "happy medium" where both sides could "feel good" about him staying here.
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The best scenario would be to have both QBs on the roster and have DA sign the short term deal and have the kids battle it out in camp and may the best man win.....we would have probably the best 1-2 punch in the league under Center. And I truly think and feel that is what every Browns fan wants.....the best man under Center.
I disagree. I feel the "best scenario" would e to have a first round pick on D and not having Quinn looking over his shoulder. Build your D and let the future begin. IMO- Every game that Quinn sits is yet one more game that you are "putting off" the enevitable. Actually hindering growth and the fruition of our destiny.
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With all the drivel I've seen, it's not hard to "keep up".
Yet you missed the boat with your previous comments........the article was posted, and there is nothing wrong with that. But to pass off the article as saying something that it doesn't is ridiculous and done for the sake of attention and sensationalism. Because that's what sells papers.....
When I post an article, I also post it "with the articles title". Sometimes it's as simple as this................."I don't make the news, I just report it"
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You had Shaub at 48 mil and Romo at 60 mil. That was "last year". Each year the salary cap goes up, they increase that "value" by the same percentage as the cap raise.
So it's only common business practice that DA's agents are looking at 5-6 years at 50-60 mil. Basic math, basic business. I actually posted that DA would be looking for somewhere between Shaub and Romo money well before any "stories came out".
IMO Houston took a big chance on Schaub. Talk about unproven. That's like us extending Anderson last year instead of this year and giving him that money. Schaub had never been a starter at that point. DA should be able to get more than Schaub. At least he is a starter, and has now a full year and a Pro Bowl under his name.
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You're right 17. He actually compares BETTER to Romo in terms of starts. But that's what so many are putting their "hopes and prayers on" is that for some unbenknownst reason to me, they feel that either Savage will sale the farm OR that DA and his agent will give the Browns some "bargain basement clearance sale of half or more off" on DA than what they honestly feel the market will bare. I feel neither is realistic nor likely. As a matter of fact, I find it unlikely as hell that either will occur.
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Saw this update today, didn't want to make a new thread: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindea...&thispage=1Quote:
Cleveland Browns general manager says team close to deal with QB Derek Anderson
Wednesday, February 20, 2008
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Browns General Manager Phil Savage said Tuesday he's optimistic the Browns will sign quarterback Derek Anderson to a three-year deal before he becomes a restricted free agent on Feb. 28.
"Talks have been a little more frequent in recent days," Savage said in an e-mail response. "It seems that the three-year deal is becoming more the focus. We've had pretty good dialogue and will continue over the [NFL scouting] combine."
Savage and Anderson's agent, Mark Humenik of Athletes First, will be in Indianapolis for the combine over the next several days.
Also, in an interview with WKYC's Jim Donovan posted on cleveland.com, Savage said, "I do feel like [an Anderson deal] is going to get done. I have reason to think it will get done.
"We'll continue to work on it, but I do think it will go down to the days before free agency."
The Browns have until Feb. 28 to sign Anderson to a multiyear deal or must tender him a one-year offer as a restricted free agent, meaning they retain a right of first refusal. Savage has said he'd give Anderson the high tender of $2.562 million, requiring a team to give the Browns a 1st- and 3rd-round pick if they signed him.
But Savage is increasingly confident it won't get to that point.
"It's not anything we're working on every single hour, but it has gone back and forth several times," said Savage. "I think we feel good about it."
Savage said the two sides have pretty much settled on three years as the length. The Browns had been proposing two- and three-year contracts and Anderson's camp had been seeking a six- or seven-year deal, Savage said.
"Obviously, the fallback is we tender him as a restricted free agent, but our objective has been to sign him beyond one year, so we've pretty much become focused on a three-year scenario and there's a couple of reasons for that," said Savage.
Presumably, one reason is that Brady Quinn is waiting in the wings. If the team made a long-term commitment to Anderson, they'd risk Quinn's agent, Tom Condon, asking for a trade.
Savage reiterated the Browns would be fine with Quinn sitting for a second year, citing San Diego's Philip Rivers doing likewise behind Drew Brees.
"I think we feel good about the [quarterback] position and we want to go forward the way it is," said Savage. "In order to best preserve doing that, we'd like to sign DA to this three-year contract."
Anderson indicated during Super Bowl week that he wasn't thrilled with the Browns' original offer. Apparently, things have changed since then.
Savage said he didn't know what the free-agent market would be for Anderson, but acknowledged "quarterback is a premium position." As for Anderson's dropoff in production over the last five games of the season and into the Pro Bowl, Savage said: "If you watch as much tape as our people here, we feel like Derek has an upside and he'll improve that aspect of his game. But at the same time, his greatest strength is that he's not scared to whistle the ball around anywhere on the field. . . . [We'll] try to minimize the risk and do a better job of managing him through certain situations next year."
Savage also said in the e-mail that he's optimistic running back Jamal Lewis will be back next season. The Browns originally offered a two-year deal and Lewis' agent Mitch Frankel indicated he wanted at least a three-year contract, enabling Lewis to finish his career here.
Free agency begins at 12:01 a.m. on Feb. 29.
"We've bantered back and forth on certain things but I do feel like Jamal will be in a Browns uniform next year," said Savage.
Sounds like Anderson's caving on the length of the deal. I'm suspecting lukewarm interest at best has been gauged from other NFL teams looking for a QB. From insider articles on scout.com, I've gotten the feeling some of the teams mentioned on these boards as showing possible interest in DA are not all that interested.
Anyhow, I'm fine with Anderson coming back. I still would have liked to get a sweet trade for a top 15 pick out of him, but that just ain't gonna happen. So, here's to another year of seeing what Derek can do, assuming he wins the battle in training camp.
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I'm fine with him coming back....but not with an extension. To me, he needs to prove the last month of the season was a fluke and the first part wasn't. If the rest of the NFL isn't sold on his talents to offer a contract or trade for his services, why are we extending him?
We can sign him to the 1-yr tender at $2.6ish million.
Let's see if we can get 10-12 wins in 2009 before commiting to him to 2010, 2011 and 2012 (assuming the 3-yr extension is after this coming year and not a 3-yr deal starting this year).
I'm sorry, I just don't see the reason to commit anything longer than one year to Anderson right now. Too many questions on his play.
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Sounds like Anderson's caving on the length of the deal. I'm suspecting lukewarm interest at best has been gauged from other NFL teams looking for a QB.
I don't believe that to be the case.
If one takes a look around at the available free agent names at the QB position, it becomes apparent that there's jack-squat out there. The names include the likes of Dante Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Damon Huard, Rex Grossman, Billy Volek, Byron Leftwich, and Josh McCown.
Ick.
No, the length of the deal has been dicated by Savage. If the agents don't cave, they are stuck with a gamble of taking the Tender money (which is small beans) and hoping that a team coughs up a 1st and a 3rd in order to get the big money. Since it's clear the Browns are taking a wait-and-see attitude with Anderson, it means they still believe Quinn is in the mix. So the only real decision for the agents is to take a shorter-termed deal that's being offered or gamble on next year. That means taking the three-year deal that Savage is offering.
Again, it all comes back to who has the power. Because he's restricted, the Browns hold all the cards. That means we can dictate to the player, not the other way around.
Trust that if Anderson were a true unrestricted free agent, he'd get a 5-year deal at the very least.
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Take Grossman off your list. The scuttlebutt around Chicago is that he will sign with the Bears today (or by Friday at the latest).
I was thinking Chicago would be the biggest player in a possible Anderson trade but that's not looking probable now.
I don't understand why they want to keep Grossman. Dude was benched after three games for being "Rex Grossman". He only played in weeks 10-13 because injury forced him back into the lineup. Why bring him back when he's a free agent? It's one thing to keep him if he had one more year on his deal.....but why a new contract?
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I don't understand why they want to keep Grossman. Dude was benched after three games for being "Rex Grossman". He only played in weeks 10-13 because injury forced him back into the lineup. Why bring him back when he's a free agent? It's one thing to keep him if he had one more year on his deal.....but why a new contract?
I agree with what your saying, but maybe the bears are looking at whats availble QB wise in FA and are thinking Grossman is just as good as whats availbe and atleast with him the bears know what thier getting and he kows the system so no learning curve and might be figuring he will cost less than what the other FA might be asking for. my only reason to that.
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I suppose you're right about bringing him back based on familiarity but I'd rather see a team make a move based on winning....oh well, not my team.
I saw his girlfriend a month ago.....despite being "Rex Grossman", dude is doing well.
We were at the same surgery center. He was getting his knee operated on and I got a tumor removed from my finger.
I can't describe what she looked like.....I might get banned.
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Eh, just because the Bears re-signed Grossman doesn't mean they're not still looking. I mean, if you were in charge of that team, would you be content with Rex Grossman as your QB if someone else was available? I'm ambivalent about DA, but I do believe he's better than Grossman. JMHO
As for DA signing a deal with the Browns, as long as the price is right for the team, I have no problem with it. That gives Quinn time to develop even more, and there's no ruling out that Quinn doesn't beat DA in training camp or throughout the season.
And, having a decent backup is so important. I mean, look at the Colts. If Manning were to go down, would you really have a lot of faith that Sorgi would be able to step in and win a game? Say what you will about Pittsburgh, but if Big Ben goes down, Batch is certainly capable of playing well.
If DA gets hurt (knock on wood that doesn't happen), we see what Quinn has to offer. If Quinn beats out DA in training camp, then we know we have a very serviceable backup QB locked up for at least a few years (assuming we sign DA to a multi-year deal).
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i honestly think that if anderson signs a 3 year deal he's more tradable than with the tag...
now my original thinking is that anderson gets the nod as the starter next year...he lights it up were great...we extend him
if that happens quinn will lose all of those bonuses he would earn...iirc it was if he was a starter in the first 2 years his contract excalated to near top 10 cash...
so we save money by having anderson play one more year...
then we have quinn who could play for cheap...and anderson with 2 years left playing well....
thats 2 very tradable qb's, if we decided to go that route....
now if quinn beats out anderson in training camp this year, then anderson is still tradable for picks...they just wouldn't be for this year.....i think the cap hit is negligable because we are no where near our cap anyway....
that team would then get a qb for either 2-3 years under either of the above senerios and we would get picks....
now i doubt we sign him, and trade him this year, because it might look bad, so i think my first senerio is more likely...
either way its a great problem to have....
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Would there even be a battle in training camp? Sounds like Savage is basically saying the job is still DA's if he signs.
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Well, I'm not saying it'll be an open competition. But there will always be a possibility of losing your job in training camp.
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I'm not sure why you guys think that, if DA stays I see it as being a totally open competition come training camp.
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I agree Jules. And I think that's the way a team should ALWAYS be run. No matter who you are, your job should never be 100% guaranteed. And the team and fans should never want that.
Whether it's DA or Quinn or Crennel himself, I don't care who plays QB for us, or any other position, as long as they help us be successful and win games (with certain exceptions like a guy like Vick or guys getting in trouble, etc.).
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Why would Derek even come back if he had to prove himself in training camp after a Pro Bowl year?
I'm not saying we should hand the reins to him, but there's gotta be some sort of commitment, at least short term, to Derek for him to even think about inking a deal.
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You don't think they are going to tell him the truth while trying to get this deal done, do you?
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I would hope that it would be an open competition at training camp. But Savage kind of makes it sound like they are definitely planning on BQ not playing his 2nd year.
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Well flat out lying to him sets a bad precedence and would hurt both Phil's and Romeo's reputation around the league -- thus impacting the interest in free agent players coming to Cleveland
If they're telling him the QB job is his to lose to get him to sign, they better back it up when training camp hits. That's not to say Quinn can't beat him out, but there's no reason to go as far as having an open competition.
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You don't have to lie to leave the possibility open. I'm quite sure they aren't telling him his starting job is guaranteed.
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I would hope that it would be an open competition at training camp. But Savage kind of makes it sound like they are definitely planning on BQ not playing his 2nd year.
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If there's an open competition, I can't see how Quinn wouldn't win. Hell, it even rhymes. Win with Quinn.
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i honestly think that if anderson signs a 3 year deal he's more tradable than with the tag...
Bingo...3 year deal is very tradeable for both
1st year..Phil is planning on keeping him to see if he's the real deal
2nd year if he's the real deal good if not we trade him, that team is gonna playing him and see if he works out for them.
3rd year...team he's playing for now knows what they got and can resign him or dump him with only one year left on his contract, remember NFL contracts are not guarnteed.
I wonder if the hold up is a signing bounus $$$$....& what it would do to our cap space in year 2-3 if we keep him and are we front loading his signing bounus incase we trade him. ? not to sure how that works, but I do know we need to work it out that if we trade him we dont owe him any bonus money that will tie our hands up from pursuring someone else if need be.
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I'm not talking about guaranteeing anything. I'm just saying, there would have to be a more than reasonable chance at him starting to even sign him. I'd think that would hold true with any free agent who started the year before.
I don't think any NFL job is locked up 100%. Something can always happen.
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You don't have to lie to leave the possibility open. I'm quite sure they aren't telling him his starting job is guaranteed.
Really DA is a big boy, he's been in this leauge long enough to know how it works, if not better than anyobdy. He will enter training camp # 1 on the depth chart, if he performs he stays, if he dosent and Quinn performs DA sits the bench....work for your spot earn your postion..DA knows all this, we dont have to lie
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