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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327347,00.html Berkeley to Marine Corps: You're Not Welcome Thursday, January 31, 2008 BERKELEY, Calif. — Local officials in this liberal city say it's time for the U.S. Marines to move out. The City Council has voted to tell the Marines their downtown recruiting station is not welcome and "if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests." The measure passed this week by a vote of 8-1. The council also voted to explore enforcing a city anti-discrimination law, focusing on the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. In a separate item, the council voted, also 8-1, to give protest group Code Pink a parking space in front of the recruiting office once a week for six months and a free sound permit for protesting once a week. Marine Capt. Richard Lund of the recruiting office declined comment on the council action. The recruiting office opened in Berkeley about a year ago, operating quietly until about four months ago when Code Pink began regular sidewalk protests. "I believe in the Code Pink cause. The Marines don't belong here, they shouldn't have come here, and they should leave," said Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates. Code Pink is circulating petitions to get a measure on the ballot in November making it more difficult to open military recruiting offices in Berkeley if they are near homes, parks, schools, churches, libraries or health clinics. Some employees and business owners aren't happy with the weekly protests. "My husband's business is right upstairs, and this (protesting) is bordering on harassment," Dori Schmidt told the council. "I hope this stops." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May be we should ship these city council guys over to Southern Afghanistan and see whether or not the Marines are appreciated. Don't ask don't tell might be a controversial policy, and say what you want: i have no issue with it. I have no issue with military recruiting in schools or with a recruiting station in any town. In Vermont there are many people (sorry, but they're all liberals on this one) who are trying to get them out of the High Schools. It's rediculous to me, joining the military is a sacrafice which should be honored and gives people chances to really make something of themselves. I just listened to a High School girl tonight who had very little going for her. She's dealt with things that people couldn't imagine (don't need to go into it, just trust me) and she is very proud of the fact that she is joining up. This is her chance to make something of herself and get her act together, and for the first time in awhile she has something that can make her feel good about herself. Berkeley obviously doesn't see the military this way. What do you think guys?
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How can they do this?
Wow!
They'd lease space to 'message parlors', XXX video stops, probably abortion doctors, and even to those who curse our country...but not to the Marines?
Now if they were handing out flyers to the 3rd graders, I'd understand but this is going too far!!!!
It's time to tell Berkley they can go on with theirselves as their own country if a Marines recruiting station is too much for them to handle.
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Let's see what happens when an 8.5 earthquake strikes the area and they're asking for the national guard. 
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I would tell them they are last on the list for help. Make them recruit the "Pink Pansies" to help with relief.
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I might have quite a bit to say - however, the link is not working as of now.
Screw Berkely.
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Better yet, I would love to see a small militant group just attack the town and then see who they're barking orders to save their sorry asses since they're just sooo anti-military. I'm sorry but this is stupid. I can't believe a council and a mayor are so strong on this pathetic, ridiculously biased and disrespectful stance.
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I understand this is going to make no sense for most of you....but i'm ROFLMFAO 
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Respectfully, they have every right to say what they want and do as they choose. I and many others have stood and fought for this exact thing. I may not agree with them (I find it appalling actually), but they have every right to stand up and do what they choose. The freedom to speak and govern as they want is there business. My business is protecting that right. I've done it, I'll continue.
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I understand this is going to make no sense for most of you....but i'm ROFLMFAO
I would love to know if anyone else knows what i'm laughin my ass off about
Could it be that you've inhaled to many chemicals at work? 
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What a bunch of ingrateful slobs. They dont want to defend our country,and they want to bash the people that do. It's nice to live in a free country, have your freedom handed to you on a silver platter by others, and then turn around and spit in your countries face. 
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What is absolutely hilarious to me - and this goes back to my people blindly following the labels that are affixed to them - is that this decision that one that is the absolute essence of what true conservative ideals and platforms are all about - the locality having the right to establish laws and practices as fits they're communities...states' rights and such.
And to be honest, on many levels I find military recruitment to be slick, dishonest and parasitic. I have the utmost respect for those who serve out of valor, necessity or a debt of gratitude, but I have no respect for the parasitic recruiting practices many carry out...mostly because I am disheartened that I live in a nation where people have to be coaxed into military service, for most of the military's practices are inherently evil and black hearted (not the people, but the goals and objectives of the institution - the objectives it's asked to carry out.)
But they key is...do the *people* want it? Or the elected officials?
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Phil you make a good point questioning the politician's wishes or the citizen's wishes.
I don't know how you can single out the military's 'selling' practices. They could just initiate a draft so that they don't have to 'recruit' so hard. They sell. And yes life is at risk but life is also at risk with the use of many drugs prescribed resulting in adverse situations; surgeries, and other products out there. The government sells their military and for those that don't lose a limb or life, there are TREMENDOUS benefits to those people and their careers. I don't know how you can call their practices (no different than MANY practices used by college to recruit players, our Browns to recruit coaches or players) parasitic. It just goes too far. Our government could be like MOST of the other government's in the world with a draft or manditory system.
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It's time we sell Berkley to Mexico.... ingratefull snobby a--holes, What is Berkley fill with a bunch of frenchmen. If Berkley dosent want our US servicemen, than maybe we need to pull our US dollars from thier bank, no goverment benefits to all thier towns citizens, no money going for roads, no US dollars going for police, fire, no more state t goverment money, These people right here are the reason the USA is going to the crapper 
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it's time to remove California from the country and give everyone 30 days to leave or be destroyed. We can start attacking their country with only marines until there is nothing left.... That'll show them how much they should have appreciated the marines especially when they are kicking their arse. We can get rid of Hollywood, illegal immagrants and all their anti american laws. I don't see any drawbacks... only positives out of it 
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I think as a former Marine recruiter stationed once at Kent State, I just better stay out of this one,....
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What is absolutely hilarious to me - and this goes back to my people blindly following the labels that are affixed to them - is that this decision that one that is the absolute essence of what true conservative ideals and platforms are all about - the locality having the right to establish laws and practices as fits they're communities...states' rights and such.
Well Phil, here is the problem I have with that thought.... if some town in Georgia had a public vote and decided that blacks were not welcome in the town or that gays were not welcome in the town, these same folks, who are all about local rule, would be up in arms and loading up the VW buses to head out for protests....
I have no problem with local rule, in fact I favor it, but if you are going to go off the deep end with stuff like this, then when others do it in a way you don't like, you just have to shut up and deal with it.
As for the recruiting practices... I don't see anything wrong with what they do. Do you think a law school, if approached by a top notch student from Harvard is going to say, "Please come to our law school, so you can get a job working 90 hours a week and never see your kids. You'll spend very little time in court and most of it reading 100 year old law books. You'll make lots of money but most people will think you are scum and.... oh by the way, lawyers have about the highest divorce rate of any profession. Can we sign you up?"
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j/c See that is why I love this board , so many different points of view . Just as I am ready to chime in I read a post that makes me pause to consider a side of the argument that I hadn't thought of . I understand how many can think of recruiting practices as shady ( indeed they can be ) and also how these folks seem to be spitting in the face of our military . I can't get real worked up though because really, it's only the Marines that they have a jones for  just kidding jarheads.
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I'm missing a key piece of info here I think,, why do they NOT want the Marine Recruiting station there,,,
What is this Code Pink organization about?
The only thing I get out of this is that the Code Pinkers dislike the "don't ask, Don't tell' military policy towards homosexuals in the military...
If I have that right, why bother with a marine recruiting office... Go to washington and the pentagon..that's where these decisions are made.. Certainly not at a recruting office in Berkley California!
Is it just me, or is this more of that liberal political correctness crapola.
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Code Pink is a group of total pacifists who would probably sell off our entire military for parts if given the chance. Their cause is not all bad, promote peace and reject war.... who can disagree with that? they are just highly unrealistic about the state of the world...
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What is absolutely hilarious to me - and this goes back to my people blindly following the labels that are affixed to them - is that this decision that one that is the absolute essence of what true conservative ideals and platforms are all about - the locality having the right to establish laws and practices as fits they're communities...states' rights and such.
Well Phil, here is the problem I have with that thought.... if some town in Georgia had a public vote and decided that blacks were not welcome in the town or that gays were not welcome in the town, these same folks, who are all about local rule, would be up in arms and loading up the VW buses to head out for protests....
I have no problem with local rule, in fact I favor it, but if you are going to go off the deep end with stuff like this, then when others do it in a way you don't like, you just have to shut up and deal with it.
As for the recruiting practices... I don't see anything wrong with what they do. Do you think a law school, if approached by a top notch student from Harvard is going to say, "Please come to our law school, so you can get a job working 90 hours a week and never see your kids. You'll spend very little time in court and most of it reading 100 year old law books. You'll make lots of money but most people will think you are scum and.... oh by the way, lawyers have about the highest divorce rate of any profession. Can we sign you up?"
How can you compare people feelings about the military to how people could feel about blacks or lawyers. Not sure if you realize it or not but some people dont agree with what the military is fighting for (me included). Im sure people want them to be safe and not get injured, but the cause they are fighting is immoral and will cause future repercussions by muslims growing up under the violence that has been created in that region. Almost a million dead on our watch. But I guess since they are muslim there lives dont matter as much as ours. We deserve to feel safe before anyone else. Right? That being said you think blacks could or any race for that matter create such termoil. I mean they protest the war regularly. I dont see anyone every protesting lawyers and blacks. Some people on this board never fail to show there fear and ignorance about social and current events. Why not think of something from different angles instead of just your own.
Berkley doesnt want the military people in its town. And regardless of how I feel about it, its there right and I can see why they dont want them there. Look at what is happening over seas. I mean if the war was just Osama bin Laden would have been captured and killed already. He was behind the 911 attack right? That is what we have been told, right? Instead he is a movie star creating video whenever he wants. You would think that a country like ours would have found him already? Nobody ask these question they just remain scared and do what they are told....Like Glad bags and duck tape. Lol
If we were really gonna fight to make a difference the army would be in Sudan keeping the peace. Here is a question for ya......Why havent these terrorist attack the US again. I mean the first attack was flawless. Why not try it again? I mean most of our military is overseas. This is the perfect time. How many major sporting events and mass transits system are suseptable to attack. All of them....Yet we still havent been attacked again.
I guess we are just lucky.  Oh im sure that your all think that I would like an attack to happen. And I will take those comments as though you dont have anything intelligent to say. And comming from this board I fully expect.
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And comming from this board I fully expect.
Feel free to find a smarter board . Nothing you have said that hasn't been run up one side and down the other on this board by smarter people than you appear to be .
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Feel free to find a smarter board . Nothing you have said that hasn't been run up one side and down the other on this board by smarter people than you appear to be .
How bout a board that actually has something to say about the content of my post and not the last sentence. Thank you for proving my point.
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Well Philly when you make a statement like the last one in your post you are just asking for a boatload of crap from the folks on this board. If you don't like it, like the other poster said, find a smarter board. We have enough pot stirrers without your help.
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How can you compare people feelings about the military to how people could feel about blacks or lawyers. Not sure if you realize it or not but some people dont agree with what the military is fighting for (me included). Im sure people want them to be safe and not get injured, but the cause they are fighting is immoral and will cause future repercussions by muslims growing up under the violence that has been created in that region. Almost a million dead on our watch. But I guess since they are muslim there lives dont matter as much as ours. We deserve to feel safe before anyone else. Right? That being said you think blacks could or any race for that matter create such termoil. I mean they protest the war regularly. I dont see anyone every protesting lawyers and blacks. Some people on this board never fail to show there fear and ignorance about social and current events. Why not think of something from different angles instead of just your own.
I would like to thank you for proving my point... Contrary to what you may want to believe, people are allowed to "feel" however they want about issues... it's ok to vote to not want a military recruiting station in your town because you have some bias against the military but it's not ok to exercise that same right against some other groups. I don't have to equate the military to blacks or gays or lawyers, if I can convince 5 out of 9 city council folks that they are bad for the town and don't represent our collective "values", then darn it the vote should stand... or does that only work for groups with which you have a problem?
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Berkley doesnt want the military people in its town. And regardless of how I feel about it, its there right and I can see why they dont want them there.
That's what they said about black people 40 years ago...
The rest of your conspiracy theory post is gibberish.. I don't have time to respond to gibberish unless it also has pictures of hot women.
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Well Philly when you make a statement like the last one in your post you are just asking for a boatload of crap from the folks on this board. If you don't like it, like the other poster said, find a smarter board. We have enough pot stirrers without your help.
I hate pot stirrers.
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Philly's my favorite kind of liberal .. I call them " Selective Makers and Distributors of the Law" its OK to use the Law to get what u want as long as its something I AGREE WITH ... and if that dont work we'll just make a new law or ammend an old one .....
and this is a perfect example ... as much as i dislike what the freaks are doing in Berkey .. it is their right .. just as it should be my right to ban christians, blacks, lawyers or women if my town so chooses .... even though I would dislike that ... it should be their right ... but liberals know more than anyone else and our much more in toon with what is right and wrong for everyone so they can selectively distribute the law based on THEIR FEELINGS .... at least thats all i can figure out ... *LOL* ..
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The rest of your conspiracy theory post is gibberish.. I don't have time to respond to gibberish unless it also has pictures of hot women.
Thats because you cant and you wont. You will say anything but rebute my statements about our current events and past one as well. You have no facts other then what you have been told, which aint much. Gibberish, Conspiracy theory, crazy and what ever else you can spew that avoids actually making a point is all I would expect from this board and many others.
Like our major news networks I look at this board as to reaffirm that many in this country do not think for themselves and they do as there told. And also that blind faith is still very prevalent in many people social views. What ever happen to asking questions?
I ask a few in my previous post but like I said many of you dont want o answer the question you would rather call someone a name or pick one sentence out of my post and completely avoid my main point\questions.
Here is a question for ya.....Why do the people in Berkley act that way towards the Marines? Who cares, "this is OUR COUNTRY!" LOLLOL
P.S. Its not cause they are crazy or unamerican. And as a follow-up ? -- Is it unamerican to question your government and its practices? I await your intelligent responses. 
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Philly's my favorite kind of liberal .. I call them " Selective Makers and Distributors of the Law" its OK to use the Law to get what u want as long as its something I AGREE WITH ... and if that dont work we'll just make a new law or ammend an old one .....
and this is a perfect example ... as much as i dislike what the freaks are doing in Berkey .. it is their right .. just as it should be my right to ban christians, blacks, lawyers or women if my town so chooses .... even though I would dislike that ... it should be their right ... but liberals know more than anyone else and our much more in toon with what is right and wrong for everyone so they can selectively distribute the law based on THEIR FEELINGS .... at least thats all i can figure out ... *LOL* ..
That is the most disturbing thing that I have read on this board. You think your right to ban christian, blacks, and women is the same as the Marines who are fighting a war that some think is unjustified. Are you saying that blacks women and christians should not have equal rights? These are human rights. The right to live, the right to pray and the right to intergrate after slavery. How are they comparable? Please answer I would love to hear your view point.
Have blacks, christians and women created turmoil in this country like the military? Without people being racist, sexist, or the antichrist. What would you call someone that doesnt want the Marines in there town? Lastly, do you even focus on how many Iraqi civilians have died in since our occupation or do you just keep telling yourself its for a good cause or that better them then us?
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You are getting to the party kinda late son. We have beaten the Iraq issue to death numerous times and both sides of the issue have been well represented.
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Their wanting to ban the Marines has nothing to do with the current war. We could ba at peace and our military handing out food at soup kitchens and they would still object.
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Thats because you cant and you wont. You will say anything but rebute my statements about our current events and past one as well. You have no facts other then what you have been told, which aint much.
You have raised your conspiracy theory points before, they have been refuted before... do you think it's going to help to rehash it all again. And do you have some other "facts"? And by that I mean fresh and new, not the same old ones that you have posted dozens of times?
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I ask a few in my previous post but like I said many of you dont want o answer the question you would rather call someone a name or pick one sentence out of my post and completely avoid my main point\questions.
Your points have been addressed, numerous times. The fact that you didn't get the answers you liked, does not mean you didn't get answers.
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Nope, that concept is at the very heart of being an informed citizen. At some point you have to take the data available and make a decision, given the data, we have made different decisions.... I have heard your argument before, you failed to convince me you were right.. so you say I'm uniformed, refuse to ask questions, refuse to answer your questions, go on blind faith, and refuse to think for myself... yet in the same post you accuse me of namecalling and ignoring the facts. I've seen your "facts" and I don't agree with them.. deal with it.
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Oh im sure that your all think that I would like an attack to happen. And I will take those comments as though you dont have anything intelligent to say. And comming from this board I fully expect.
LMFAO!!!
What exactly did you think would happen when you ended your post with a derogatory stereotype of the people you're addressing?
If I responded to a thread at moveon.org and ended the post with: "...but I wouldn't expect you ignorant libtards to understand"....I wouldn't expect many responses addressing the previous points.
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I've only read 3 of your posts and I can all ready tell that I am PROUD AS HELL to have that honor bestowed on me .. 
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You think your right to ban christian, blacks, and women is the same as the Marines who are fighting a war that some think is unjustified. Are you saying that blacks women and christians should not have equal rights?
where in the hell did I say that??? please show me ... u can't ... but u can twist my words to fit what u want to portay ...
I did HOWEVER SAY that I would NOT AGREE with banning women, blacks, christians or lawyers but they should have the right to ban them ...
are U saying that marines shouldn't have equal rights?????
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These are human rights. The right to live, the right to pray and the right to intergrate after slavery. How are they comparable? Please answer I would love to hear your view point.
theres a bunch of other rights u CONVENIEANTLY LEFT OUT ... such as the RIGHT TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY ... the right to bear arms .. the right to GOVERN OURSELVES .. the RIGHT of FREE CHOICE ...
Marines don't have rights???? Why not??
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Have blacks, christians and women created turmoil in this country like the military?Without people being racist, sexist, or the antichrist.
1. blacks, christians and women are a PART OF OUR MILITARY ... no??? those groups MORE THAN LIKELY make up the MAJOR PART OF OUR MARINES ...
2. open a history book ... you'll learn alot if u get past the current events part of it ... blacks, women and christians have caused there fair share of turmoil in our country without people being racist, sexist or the antichrist ... they were simply acting on their BELIEFS ... just like u .. your acting on YOUR BELIEFS about the military ... your doing the SAME THING the groups u despise did .. but since its your BLEIEFS it's for the GREATER GOOD .. *LOL* .... witch BTW is what the racist, sexist and anti christ people did .. they thought they knew more than everyone else so their values were more important .. sound familiar???
3.did u not say in a post to DC thats it OK to cause turmoil? .. ahhhh let me guess .. U DO'TN AGREE WITH THE TURMOIL THE MARINES CAUSE??? so that makes it BAD TURMOIL ... *LOL* ..
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What would you call someone that doesnt want the Marines in there town?
STUPID .... while i supported their right to do it ... just like if my town wanted to ban women .. i;d call them STUPID while supporting their right to do it ..
U seem to have a serious lack of understanding of the constitution and that RIGHTS ARE FOR EVERYONE not just for u and what u believe in .... maybe u need to start by reading the constition in the history books ....
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Lastly, do you even focus on how many Iraqi civilians have died in since our occupation or do you just keep telling yourself its for a good cause or that better them then us?
that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ..... the Marines and our Military do a whole lot more than just what goes on in Iraq ...
U seem to be a little shortsighted in what U believe the marines do ..
did u know that only a small portion of our marine poplulation is in Iraq right now??? ...
all u did with this post is cement my initial belief .. all the word RIGHTS means to U is WHAT U BELIEVE IS OK and if u don't believe in it it should be BANNED ... and that shows a major misunderstanding of what the word means ... u need to be willing to fight for the RIGHT by itself and not fight for it SELECTIVELY BASED ON YOUR BELIEFS ...
take flag burning .. I just as soon beat the crap out of the idiots that want to burn it ... but at the same time i would fight to the death for their RIGHT TO BURN IT ..... as much as i DISAGREE WITH IT .... IT IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO DO IT .... u need to grasp that concept ...
See ya ...
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I have no issue with military recruiting in schools or with a recruiting station in any town. In Vermont there are many people (sorry, but they're all liberals on this one) who are trying to get them out of the High Schools. It's rediculous to me,
Firstly, a state, city or community "have the right" to "set their own standards". Not saying I agree with Berkleys stand on this situation, but I do stand up for their rights to make such a decision.
And secondly, I do NOT want a recruiter "recruiting *children*". Once they become adults, fine. But I don't need some recruiter telling my kid he can be a "week-end warrior", convince him it's true, then off to Iraq he goes.
Adults greatly influence our children. And to have recruiters in our high schools is no less than "saling the drug of war". I don't like "pushers" in our high schools. No matter what they're "pushing". Kids go to school to "get an education". NOT to be "persuaded" into becoming a soldier. I think it's a sickenning practice.
JMHO
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