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Are these wins against the Jets and the Falcons the result of the resignation of Mo Carthon and the Play calling of Davidson, or would we have won these games with Carthon at the helm?

I wonder how the stat Average points scored will end up with Davidson calling plays rather than Mo?

Not to jump the gun, but we are 2-1 in the post Carthon era, and our 2 wins came against teams with winning records.

IMO, part of it has to be the playcalling. I'm not sure how much in terms of points, but in terms of ball control our O has been much, MUCH crisper under Davidson, which was what I expected coming in. We certainly weren't going to become the Colts, but I thought we'd sustain more drives and play into the time of possession battle a lot more.

Since Davidson took over we've been doing just that. Regardless of the lack of good line, QB, receiver play, whatever, we're looking better even when it doesn't show up in the stat column.

The Carthon offense was a mess, and while this O hasn't been eye poppingly spectacular, it hasn't been a mess. That in itself is a huge accomplishment.

Hopefully we can exploit Pittsburgh's defensive weaknesses.

[color:"white"]As always, it's more than one thing. However, I can tell you one thing without a moments hesitation and with 100% clarity: We're getting more out of the players because Mo's history. [/color]

Mo's departure was addition by subtraction. His offense wasn't NFL caliber and the players didn't seem to like his game plans.

Davidson is calling a better game for the first two quarters. Then he sends the O into a "prevent" offensive mindset. Go for the kill!! Dare to be bold!! If they ever played four quarters like they played Atlanta in today's first half, the Browns would be a tough team to beat.

i agree that the players seem more focused since Carthon left...if it continues, that alone is worth the change, as much as i thought Mo deserved more time...

you can't put up much of an argument with the 2-1 results, but i'll try anyway...Davidson's calling seems to be of the philosophy that you attack only when threatened/losing...if you're up by 'enough' (given the game situation), he goes into that infamous not to lose mode...i don't like that at all...so far, it has worked...but it has worked on a bad call and an stupid fumble...

i'll remain CAUTIOUSLY optimistic...VERY cautiously...

Tough question, not sure there is a clear cut answer for it.

But if I might hazard a guess, I'd say it's as much to do with attitude as anything. These players SEEM to WANT to play for Davidson where with MO, all they wanted to do is clock in and clock out.... the heck with the middle part called work! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

That's exactly what I'm getting out of it. They actually seem like they want to be playing out there. Also, it seems like Davidson is going down field a little more than Mo was, which is causing the D to play honest. That definently helps the passing game, and should help the running game (if we had any line at all).

I think it is a mix of those things, as to why we are 2-1 with Davidson.

Man you have no idea how much I hate saying this, but it might not be all the lines fault regarding out Running attack. For whatever reason, Droughns just isn't running like he did last season.. We have the same guards as last season and we have a Center that is, IMO, no drop off from Faine and we have the same FB in Smith.

So you tell me, is it all the line or does Droughns not seem like he's working hard enough for whatever reason?

Ball Control is huge for this team. As long as our defense isn't on the feild more than the offense we have a chance to win EVERY single week.

I'd say that our offense if more comfortable and plays harder for Davidson than Mo..

Not sure if the playcalling is much different b/c i still havent seen anything different.. No trick plays with Cribbs.. We should used Cribbs as Vick and let the falcons taste their own medicine.. ITS TRULY NOT FUN WHEN THE RABBIT HAS THE GUN!! lol...

just remember. these are all still carthon's plays and gameplans. i think davidson is just doing better on gameday as far as actually calling the plays go. seems as though the pass blocking has improved a little bit (not the run blocking however <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />) . perhaps this is because davidson is able to put in the protections he wants, i dunno.

Well I was at the game yesterday and I'll tell you two things.

1) There were holes ALL day but Droughns just could not get to them. If we actually had a good bakc with some burst instead of an ever slower converted fullback we'd be just fine.

2) not reall relevant but I got a kick out of my buddy at the game with me who hasn't seen a browns game in a few years(he's a dolphins fan) told me after the game..."dang, I didn't know Frye had such a cannon."



we're getting there

The problem still looks to be with the OL. We need to upgrade this line through the draft, picking 2 OL per draft, replacing at least 1 OL until we have a solid line.

J/C

Davidson is doing a good job as a coordinator who is coming in at mid-season. HOWEVER, he is making rookie cordinator mistakes of not being able to make adjustments.

In wins vs. both the Jets and Falcons, our offense was able to do very little in the 2nd halves of both games. Droughns in particular was accounted for after halftime. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I bet Reuben's 2nd half stats in those games are nowhere near his first half ones.

Davidson has got to do a better job of making adjustments to the defense's adjustments. We can't rely on the D to carry us every game.

Simple answer :

We are in a better position to win.

We would have lost all 3 games. Carthon was a cancer to the team - a downer for ALL the players on offense. That attitude gets into the locker room - the O knows it won't work, this slides to the D who knows it's O doesn't have confidence so it's all on them. The negativity was all over the team. CArthon removed - confidence has shifted 10 fold you know see attitude, fire and passion. We removed the negativity - it benefited the whole organization. As the old saying goes - one bad apple spoils the bunch.

MO had no respect...JD does....

Rumor has it that Mo told all the players that Gatorade was better...