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the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3236970Would the browns make a run a Asante Samuel??? just saw this on espn, an article about free agents at the probowl. Here is the part that cought my attention: "From studying rosters, the teams in possible need of cornerbacks are the Titans, Jets, Redskins, Eagles and Browns . There are enough options for Samuel to know that he can get his money and also be with a winning team. What he's not sure about is taking a hometown discount to stay with the Patriots." So do we need a corner?? Wright sure looks like he is the real deal. Bodden can't stay healthy. Holly is a FA. The browns went after Clements hard last year until the 49ers broke the bank on him. I don't see this as a pressing need, would rather see the defensive line upgraded in FA. The problem is i don't necessarily see the freeagents availabe that would help the d-line.
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Anytime you have a chance to upgrade I think you have to consider it. I don't see the Browns breaking the bank on him, but he would definitely provide a nice lift to the Browns' corner situation. It doesn't hurt to have someone in for a visit if there's interest on his end as well.
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He would cost a ton and I don't think cb is one of our pressing needs.
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Randy Moss and Asante Samuel will be the first two FA that the the Patriots re-sign....IMO.
Every year we see names tossed around like crazy, with many of them not even hitting the market.
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Every year we see names tossed around like crazy, with many of them not even hitting the market.
Yep. It's to the point where I almost don't like to look at them. The lists are very misleading due to teams re-signing their own would-be free agents.
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I don't see the Browns going hard after AS, but hell I suppose anything is possible. Not that it wouldn't be great to have him, it would. But given our other team needs I don't think the Browns will make any kind of push to land him.
My bet is he won't be a Brown..
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I an think of roughly 80 million reasons not to go after him. He's going to expect at least what Clement got last year and I don't think we need to be spending that on one guy.
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I'd love to have him here.. I really would, but I think it will end up taking the kind of money that clements got last season and I'm not sure he's worth that.. maybe some others on here can tell us if they think he's worth Clements money.. I'm not sure Clements is worth Clements money  As for Wright, I like that kid and I think we will see much more out of him.. also I suspect that if Bodden can stay healthy, he'll be a force.. Let's not forget that McDonald kid who came on like Gangbusters last year.., I like him a ton.. As for Holly, I don't know what the plan is, but he is a RFA so we could match if we wanted... and in the end, maybe that's what we are waiting for.. kinda let the market for him find it's own level.. Any bets that we draft one this year in the later rounds?
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After the precedent that Clements set with his contract, I doubt we throw as much money at Samuel, who will probably demand the same.
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No, I wouldn't go after he won't be worth as much to our team as he'll be asking for. I think Eric Wright is going to be a very good number one corner and one of the trio of Bodden, McDonald, and Holly should be able to make a solid number two. I really don't think defensive backfield is a very big need for us this year. I wouldn't mind seeing Savage take another CB in the draft but that's about it.
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If we could get him for a fair price tag then I say oh yeah, but I doubt that's possible, so I don't see us going gung-ho after him but I'm sure if he hits the market we'll glance in his direction. After all, with the injuries that seem to happen often in Cleveland I think he'd be a welcome addition for the right price. However, I just don't see it happening. I think the Pats will resign him.
I believe our most pressing need on D is DL, then we can look at LB and Safety.
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Is Moss really a FA? My Pats fans buddies don't seem to think so. They think they have him for a couple more years. You sure about that Shep?
I did here the Big O (some radio guy) and company on CSN (Comcast Sports NewEngland) talking about Asante going
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Is Moss really a FA? My Pats fans buddies don't seem to think so. They think they have him for a couple more years. You sure about that Shep?
I did here the Big O (some radio guy) and company on CSN (Comcast Sports NewEngland) talking about Asante going
Moss reworked his Oakland contract to get traded to New England, so yes he's a free agent.
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I think if we were one player away we might would make a run at him, but with the contract extentions hopfully coming to KII, Bray, and Jones I think we look at fixing the Front 3 this offseason. I actually like our group of young corners....the terrorist will be healthy for the first time in a while next year and it will show IMO. I love the two rooks too. I like how our secondary is being built....Imagine if they only had to cover for 3 or 4 seconds instead of 6 or 7.
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The Big O is Glenn Ordway, and works for WEEI a sports radio station in Boston, I used to listen to him when I lived out in Beamtown. Anyways Moss is a FA this year. Randy Moss - NFLPAPlayer Info Draft Info WR (#18) Year: 1998 New England Patriots Round: 1 Charleston, WV Position: 21 Salary History 1998 230000.00 1999 250000.00 2000 358000.00 2001 500000.00 2002 525000.00 2003 5000000.00 2004 5750000.00 2005 665000.00 2006 7500000.00 2007 2500000.00 So he's not under contract but would think he'll be tagged.
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Any corner with NFL talent can be a star with a pass rush. Invest the money in a stud DE, rush OLB and draft a DT. It will make all our CB's look like Asante Samuel (psssst. see the New York Giants). 
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Anytime you have a chance to upgrade I think you have to consider it. I don't see the Browns breaking the bank on him, but he would definitely provide a nice lift to the Browns' corner situation. It doesn't hurt to have someone in for a visit if there's interest on his end as well.
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Asante Samuel is a pipe dream.
Phil isn't going to spend long green on a FA who will soon be outplayed by people whom he's already drafted. (Wright, McD)
Phil's going to spend FA money where it can help us most- the D7
He's already told us as much ... just like he's told us all along- step by step. If you've been really listening to his pressers all along, you can almost predict what his next big splash will be. You might not know the specifics, but you can certainly predict the point of focus.
Phil has told us every year what his next step will be... and then, he's gone out and made it happen. Every single blessed year since he's been here.
When will you Dawgs start listening? Dude ain't lied, and he's actually done everything he's said he will do.
Face it, Dawgs- we now have a FO that has a plan... based on REAL team needs. Asante Samuel isn't part of that plan... not in '08 (...which is the only year that counts- as far as this thread is concerned....)
Phil's gonna go out, and bring home some beef... not dessert. At the present time- in our team's evolution- Asante Samuel is dessert.
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Clem, you are a good guy, but I disagree w/a couple of things in this post. Quote:
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That's a stretch. Samuel is one of the top corners in the league. Our guys have a long, long way to go to reach his level.
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Well, he has lied to us. That's not an insult, but he hasn't always been forthcoming. Nor should he be.
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Clem.........every team has a plan. It all depends on if the owner gives those running the team the time to carry out that plan.
Phil has made some good moves, some so-so moves, and some bad moves. He has not yet reached the elite status amongst NFL GMs. He may do that some day, but I think it is premature to act like he is one of the top GMs in the league right now. Again, I am not insulting him, but perhaps we should wait until this team is at least in the playoffs for a few years before we claim he is a genius.
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Anytime you have a chance to upgrade I think you have to consider it. I don't see the Browns breaking the bank on him, but he would definitely provide a nice lift to the Browns' corner situation. It doesn't hurt to have someone in for a visit if there's interest on his end as well.
While I'm not sure who's out there ...... I would think that if there is a pressing need in our secondary, it's at Safety, not CB.
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Anytime you have a chance to upgrade I think you have to consider it. I don't see the Browns breaking the bank on him, but he would definitely provide a nice lift to the Browns' corner situation. It doesn't hurt to have someone in for a visit if there's interest on his end as well.
While I'm not sure who's out there ...... I would think that if there is a pressing need in our secondary, it's at Safety, not CB.
Exactly...
I would not touch this Secondary unless it was to bring in Kenny Hamlin for Pool...
Comment: Hamlin is a hard-hitting tough safety who is one of the best in the NFL in his skill set. He shows good football instincts and has a knack for playing the ball in the air. Hamlin also shows good range and recovery speed off the hash. He is also a smart player who is able to make the calls in the secondary and line up players in position to make plays. He is very good with run support and will step up and make contact on running backs. He is not afraid to lay a hit on receivers coming across the middle. Hamlin is a solid athlete who shows quickness, body control, and outstanding range. He has the ability to play both a traditional free safety and strong safety, but he is better suited as a free safety. Hamlin does a good job of getting in the box and is productive in his pass rush and blitzing. He is a very aggressive player who brings a lot of energy to his play. He is a solid cover guy who can roll up and play effectively over the slot receiver.
He plays well in the Cover 2 package showing good turn and transition coupled with smoothness that allows him to turn and run with ease. Sometimes he stutters in his backpedal, but not enough to be overly concerned about. He is an impact player who will help any team upgrade and solidify its secondary. With his leadership and play, he will be a highly sought after player in free agency.
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i think the safeties will be much better next year. Pool will have a year of experience- and he was really young to begin with. That was one of Savages' mistakes, letting go of Russell before Pool was ready. Hamlin will demand some serious money as well and i doubt the browns go that direction in FA.
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I like Hamlin a lot, but I have the feeling that the Browns will give Pool another shot. I haven't heard anything, but he was drafted so high. Heck, when you really think about it, he was almost a first rd. pick. Consider that the Browns already traded a high third round choice---Frye---for a low sixth round pick.........I just don't know if they will part w/Pool yet.
With that out of the way.............I would do back flips if they brought Hamlin in. He would improve the run defense a lot. His instincts would allow Jones to move closer to the LOS, where he is more comfortable and effective. It's kinda like the Joe thing at LT. His ability on the field opens up a lot of new things for the offense. Chud gets most of the credit, but w/out Joe........we can't run all those formations and send out all those receivers into our passing packages. Hamlin would be similar...........his instincts and range would allow other defensive players to do what they should be doing..........instead of covering for Pool's sorry butt.
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Samuel is overrated. I could see him becoming a Jet though.
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Invest the money in a stud DE, rush OLB and draft a DT.
It will make all our CB's look like Asante Samuel (psssst. see the New York Giants).
I agree. Samuel had the benefit of playing with Wilfork, Vrabel, Thomas, Bruschi, Seau, Harrison and the most prolific offense in the history of professional football. When you have the likes of those guys pressuring the QB on a team thats down by three scores, Samuel's job gets a little easier. He's good, for sure, but I don't see any reason to bet the farm on him when the rest of our D isn't quite up to the caliber of the D he's coming from, and you know that he's going to want huge money. If Nate Clements can command a contract of such magnitude coming from a franchise as poor as the Bills were when he played for them, what is the #1 DB from arguably the best team of the decade going to ask for?
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If anything I see Savage writing a number on a piece of paper and handing it off to his agent. After that Samuel will probably get larger numbers out of the price range Savage would be looking for... and that'll be the end of it.
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I think we will consider it, we have to, but in the end I do believe we have to pass due to the amount of $$$ he will want.
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Comment: Hamlin is a hard-hitting tough safety who is one of the best in the NFL in his skill set. He shows good football instincts and has a knack for playing the ball in the air. Hamlin also shows good range and recovery speed off the hash.
How many of us wanted Hamlin when he came out?
He was high on my list..very instinctive player and physical..
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Samuel's a good player, just not worth the big money contract.
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via www.KFFL.com, and for what it's worth... Browns | Team may make Samuel a contract offer Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:15:32 -0800 Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports Cleveland Browns head coach Romeo Crennel admitted there was "a possibility" the team would make an offer to potential free agent CB Asante Samuel (Patriots). Patriots | Samuel looking for 10-year contract Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:15:11 -0800 Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots CB Asante Samuel, who will become an unrestricted free agent this offseason, is reportedly looking for a 10-year contract worth $100 million. He is also looking for $30 million guaranteed up front.
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Man, I'd love to bring in Asante Samuel. I dunno if $100 mil was what I had in mind, though....
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Yup, just what I was thinking. We're not really that short at corner that we'd HAVE to bring him in. Heck, we're not short at all.
And for $100 mil? C'mon...
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Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports Cleveland Browns head coach Romeo Crennel admitted there was "a possibility" the team would make an offer to potential free agent CB Asante Samuel (Patriots).
I get the feeling that Romeo meant there was "a possibility" that we could offer a contract to anyone of the potential free agents.
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There's also a "possibility" that RAC could lose 100 lbs.  I sure hope we don't get into the auction for Samuels. We need a good corner as much as anyone but not to the tune of that kind of money.
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Mr. Savage has shown his willingness to spend Mr. Lerner's $ on Top FA Players over the last few years , so us making an offer to Samuel would Not surprise me....However , IMHO I think the $ would be better spent on upgrading the DL  ....
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With some of the more attractive FAs being tagged (Dansby, Hamlin, Williams) about the only big "splash" we could make would be Samuel. Yes, he would be an upgrade, but he's a luxury more than need.
Wouldn't be surprised if we made him an offer, but if someone is willing to toss cash at him the way SF did Clements last year, then I'm happy to see him elsewhere.
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With some of the more attractive FAs being tagged (Dansby, Hamlin, Williams) about the only big "splash" we could make would be Samuel. Yes, he would be an upgrade, but he's a luxury more than need.
Wouldn't be surprised if we made him an offer, but if someone is willing to toss cash at him the way SF did Clements last year, then I'm happy to see him elsewhere.
Cap...I sure as hell hope Savage and the Boys know what they're looking at when tinkering with Corners especially...
10 years and 100M is crazy...It was crazy last year for Clements...Especially when we need the MIDDLE of this defense upgraded bigtime...
When I look at Samuels I see a Corner who has one of the BEST Front 7's in front of him in the entire NFL...U don't get any better than Warren/Wilfork/Seymour...And Bruschi/Vrabel/Thomas ain't too shabby either...
We better see REAL WELL what Samuels is on an INDIVIDUAL basis before we go spewin' that kinda money for a Perimeter player...
I DON'T LIKE IT...
Hopefully one of these Corner Starved teams steps up with that kinda money so we can go elsewhere...Especially when we've already got guys with so much potential in Bodden/Wright/Macdonald...Specifically Wright...
I hope this isn't that "Surprise" position we might be looking at...I'd almost rather see that "Surprise" being a TE in Ben Troupe of Tenn...
I've got a real uneasy feelin' about Rosenhaus and this Winslow thang...Winslow wants to be paid like a WR...That could be big ass bucks...
If Savage gets even an incling that we might have a Hold-Out problem with Winslow...I would be inclined to say "SEEK A TRADE"...THAT would get us a 1st Rounder EASILY...
I'm not convinced that Winslow's knees will hold up for even another 3 years let alone 7 or 8...
Troupe or even Shockey would be a Cover Thy Collective Ass move...
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Wouldn't we have to be a little nuts NOT to want Samuels on the Browns.. I mean, he's a heck of a player.
Question is, how much are you willing to pay for him. He's gotta be looking for money in line with what SF paid Clements... I'm just not sure that Savage will think he's worth that amount of money.. Not sure Clements was either for that matter.
My guess, we make a small attempt, but in the end, we pass! But that's just a guess...
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Cap...I sure as hell hope Savage and the Boys know what they're looking at when tinkering with Corners especially...
10 years and 100M is crazy...It was crazy last year for Clements...Especially when we need the MIDDLE of this defense upgraded bigtime...
Agreed. We don't need a corner. Our corners look worse than they are because we don't get a pass rush and the FS stands around watching the action.
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