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Netflix going Blu-Ray exlcusive while Best Buy to promote Blu-Ray over HD-DVD link Best Buy, Netflix join Blu-ray camp Electronics retailer announces it will begin promoting the PlayStation 3's high-definition video format as online rental house ditches its rival altogether. By Erica Ogg, News.com Posted Feb 12, 2008 5:23 pm GMT Already starting the week off on a bad note, HD DVD's day just keeps getting worse. Starting next month, Best Buy says it will prominently display Blu-ray players and discs in its stores and recommend the format over rival HD DVD, according to a Reuters report. The support for Sony-backed Blu-ray, which the PlayStation 3 supports via an internal drive, comes at a precarious time for Toshiba-backed HD DVD, which is playable on the Xbox 360 via a $130 external drive. "Because we believe that Blu-ray is fast emerging as that single format, we have decided to focus on Blu-ray products," Brian Dunn, Best Buy's president and chief operating officer, said in a statement Monday. It's not an exclusive arrangement, since Best Buy says it will still continue to offer HD DVD. But having Best Buy's valuable endorsement in the form of Sunday circulars, front-and-center store kiosks, and staff recommendation seems to be the icing on the cake for a Blu-ray victory in the format war, and potentially the death rattle for HD DVD. Earlier Monday, online movie rental service Netflix announced it would phase out its offering of HD DVD discs by the end of the year. Netflix's position likely will have less of an immediate impact on the format battle since its business depends on people who have already made a decision on which format they support. The HD DVD Promotional Group responded with a statement that's strikingly similar to the one issued earlier in the day: "We have long held the belief that HD DVD is the best format for consumers based on quality and value, and with more than 1 million HD DVD players on the market, it's unfortunate to see Netflix make the decision to only stock Blu-ray titles going forward. While the Best Buy announcement says they will recommend Blu-ray, at least they will continue to carry HD DVD and offer consumers a choice at retail."
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No, THIS would be a solid investment. $260 and it'll let you watch BOTH formats ... just pop it into a PC connected to your TV and you're in business 
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It's looking more like HD-DVD = BETA. Because of this, I have decided to go Blu-Ray.
I just bought a PS3 yesterday, I don't play games, but wanted it for the Blu-Ray player. The nice part about the PS3 is that it does all of the Blu-Ray firmware updates automatically via it's wireless connection so you are always up to date! I may get a game or two, and I'm sure my son will find a racing game he likes. Blu-Ray it is....not surprising at all....
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I had a hd-dvd player and then returned it to get a PS3. I am soo happy i made that decision. My 65 tv loves me for it
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And people thought this decision was going to drag out even longer. It's basically over (practically a month ago). It doesn't really matter, most HD movie watching will be done over the internet......  ................jk with "most".
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Does the PS3 come without a bundled game? I've been searching, but all I can find is system + game I don't want.
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The $400 PS3 comes with Spiderman 3 on Blu Ray. It doesn't include a game...
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Thanks, but Spiderman 3?? 
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Yep - that's what I just bought. Would have preferred another movie, but oh well.
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That's exactly what my brother did! Got HD and then returned it for PS3....
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What is the advantage to buy the $400 PS3 over the $300?
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You can always put it up on ebay if you don't want it. Not to mention you can always purchase a stand alone blu-ray player that probably won't come with a movie at all.
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The cheapest stand alone player I can find is $400. Figured I could kill two birds with one stone.
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Exactly - and the other Blu-Ray players do not update the firmware automatically (at least any that I found) as they do not have an integrated wireless card. With Blu-ray still in it's infancy, there are new patches quite often and the PS3 automatically updates them for you if it is setup properly  The PS3 is the way to go IMO....even if you are not a gamer (which I am not).
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There isn't a $300 version. There are $400 and $500 versions. Here's the differences (as much as I know):
$400 has 40 GB hard drive - $500 has 80 GB
$400 comes with Spiderman 3 on Blu Ray (40 GB version came out same week as this movie was released) - $500 comes with Motor Storm PS3 game
$400 has 2 USB ports - $500 has 4
$500 has memory card slots (SD, Compact Flash, etc. - not PS2 memory cards) - $400 doesn't have any
You can play PS2 games on $500 one, but not on $400 one
That's all that I know of...
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I wouldn't say that. the only similarity is that they lost(or about to lose) the format War.
BETA was a much better quality than VHS. But what Sony didn't anticipate well was that people cared more about Recording Time. You could record twice as long with VHS and your quality was not that much less(we are talking about maybe 30 lines of resolution. You would also pay half as much for the tape. By the time Sony went to BIII they were already too far behind the foothold the less expensive and less technologically superior product had established.
Now the other factor to take in here is that there was no previous way to record your favorite shows. So there was no product that used similar technology anyone could use as their foundation to balance out the oppositions strength.
The big difference today is that the lower costing and slightly technologically inferior product did not gain its foothold and appears to have lost this format war. While both can operate with the exact same quality, the Blu Ray format can hold slightly more information
The biggest advantage HD-DVD had over Blu-Ray was the fact that companies would not have switchout any of their equipment in order to make HD-DVD's. Therfore, it would cost far less to convert production to HD-DVD and subsequently less to make each DVD. The Blu Ray on the other hand, needed all new equipment. They Blu Ray technology called for the recording surface to be closer to the surface of the disc. Anyone who hasn't lcoked themself in exile for the past 20 years knows that CD's and DVD's can scratch and affect performance. Well for Blu ray it is even worse. So Sony had to devise a whole new coating for the disc and basically we have a whole new production scheme.
Now that isn't the only dissimilarities, but it should be enough for now.
But sony had 2 aces up their sleeve and they used the base of Playstation 2 users as a medium to get their PLayer on the market. And they Paid a lot of money to companies to have them be exclusive. It isn't widely published but it is widely known that Sony has chucked out ALOT of money to make this format win. They lost ALOT of mone incorporating it into their game system and pricing it lower than stand alone players. They lost ALOT of money with their payouts to the major recorders. You have to assume that they are paying for all costs concerning the production changes and then some. And they have paid out ALOT of money in doing a better job of advertising Blu Ray.
But in the end it will be worth it as Blu Ray appears to have one this fromat war.
The only similarities I see with the previous fromat war is that the first guys out of the agte did not win...and that there was a loser in the war...
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And people thought this decision was going to drag out even longer. It's basically over (practically a month ago).
It doesn't really matter, most HD movie watching will be done over the internet...... ................jk with "most".
I don’t see watching HD on the internet a reality, most HD movies are 40-50 gigs per movie, that’s a lot of downloading you have to do. Also what about storing the movies, How many movies can you download? the best ps3 can only hold 80 gigs.
It is going to also be hard to stream the movie via there servers.
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Are you asking the differences about both of the ps3s or the difference between a blue-ray player and the ps3
The ps3 will have faster loading times then an actual blue-ray player, Also the firmware is automatically updated via wifi.
Here is good site about blueray.everything you want to know is here 
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I knew all that...but thanks for the dissertation though  I've been following this very closely before my final purchase of a PS3 this past week. I was comparing the "losing the battle", nothing else..... Great information though for those not familiar with it!
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I think she was asking the difference between the PS3's. What do you get extra with the $400 PS3 compared to the $300 PS3.
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Exactly - and the other Blu-Ray players do not update the firmware automatically (at least any that I found) as they do not have an integrated wireless card. With Blu-ray still in it's infancy, there are new patches quite often and the PS3 automatically updates them for you if it is setup properly The PS3 is the way to go IMO....even if you are not a gamer (which I am not).
You will be.No way ou get a PS3 and not end up playing it. At least get Madden man!
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And people thought this decision was going to drag out even longer. It's basically over (practically a month ago).
It doesn't really matter, most HD movie watching will be done over the internet...... ................jk with "most".
I don’t see watching HD on the internet a reality, most HD movies are 40-50 gigs per movie, that’s a lot of downloading you have to do. Also what about storing the movies, How many movies can you download? the best ps3 can only hold 80 gigs.
It is going to also be hard to stream the movie via there servers.
Apple/iTunes and Comcast offer HD movies for rent right now. What's so hard about streaming HD movies?
Networks and bandwidth are only going to improve their quality over the immediate future for downloading the movies when you buy them. And don't say, "People won't buy a movie without the disc"......look at iTunes and many other MP3 sites. This generation is very comfortable with buying a digital product.
The PS3 isn't the only tool to download HD movies.....most people use computers. And memory is cheaper than ever ($125 for an external 500GB drive)!
We may have figured out the format for HD movies in hard copy.....but internet HD movies will be a huge section of the market too.
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And people thought this decision was going to drag out even longer. It's basically over (practically a month ago).
It doesn't really matter, most HD movie watching will be done over the internet...... ................jk with "most".
I don’t see watching HD on the internet a reality, most HD movies are 40-50 gigs per movie, that’s a lot of downloading you have to do. Also what about storing the movies, How many movies can you download? the best ps3 can only hold 80 gigs.
It is going to also be hard to stream the movie via there servers.
Apple/iTunes and Comcast offer HD movies for rent right now. What's so hard about streaming HD movies?
Networks and bandwidth are only going to improve their quality over the immediate future for downloading the movies when you buy them. And don't say, "People won't buy a movie without the disc"......look at iTunes and many other MP3 sites. This generation is very comfortable with buying a digital product.
The PS3 isn't the only tool to download HD movies.....most people use computers. And memory is cheaper than ever ($125 for an external 500GB drive)!
We may have figured out the format for HD movies in hard copy.....but internet HD movies will be a huge section of the market too.
I don’t think most people watch blue-ray on their computers, you have to understand the biggest reason people get HD movies is because of their TV. I don’t think most people will have their computer hooked up to their TV or shell out another $1000 for a HD monitor to watch their downloaded HD movies, so downloading watch HD movies on the computer doesn’t look feasibly, also downloading them will take forever, I use newsgroup to download information and at best I can download at a constant speed of 800kbs per second (which is awesome) 50 gigs will still take all day.
I really can’t disprove your claim about streaming HD content via servers. Not sure how all that works, I am going to go ask my techy friend now because I am interested in this idea…
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Another thing advantage Blu-Ray has over HD-DVD is the protective coating it has.
I've seen stress tests on youtube and the thing can withstand just about anything,
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I don’t think most people watch blue-ray on their computers, you have to understand the biggest reason people get HD movies is because of their TV. I don’t think most people will have their computer hooked up to their TV or shell out another $1000 for a HD monitor to watch their downloaded HD movies, so downloading watch HD movies on the computer doesn’t look feasibly, also downloading them will take forever, I use newsgroup to download information and at best I can download at a constant speed of 800kbs per second (which is awesome) 50 gigs will still take all day.
I really can’t disprove your claim about streaming HD content via servers. Not sure how all that works, I am going to go ask my techy friend now because I am interested in this idea…
Computer monitors have better resolution that an HD TV standard, that's not an issue. The biggest issue currently is bandwidth speeds. I can get 8500kps download, but most servers I DL stuff from top out under 1000.
But as far as streaming, that's basically what On-Demand TV is, it's streaming from servers at the cable station. It's works great 99% of the time, occasionally there's a hiccup, or it crash. My biggest issue with it is that if you pause for more than like 3-4 minutes, it stops your movie, and you can't just resume where you left off, you have to FF to where you were.
If they ever get Fiberoptic infrastructure done, and bring it to your house, DLing or streaming a HD movie will be nothing.
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I agree with you. We might be talking about two different time periods though. You're talking about now. I'm talking about the next 1-3 years when HD movies are downloaded and streamed without much thought. The Apple TV box enables you to watch HD movies on your TV via their HDMI ports. So you can watch them at your PC and laptop in normal mode....and then in HD on your TV. We just don't really have a way to get the movies off your computer in HD (blu-ray drives are available but very expensive - though that should change soon with the format war over). It's really only a matter of time.
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There isn't a $300 version. There are $400 and $500 versions. Here's the differences (as much as I know):
Hmmm, in my searches last night I thought I saw a $300 20 GB version. I can't remember what store it was, though.
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That's an old version they have discontinued making.
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http://www.techspot.com/news/28755-sony-to-discontinue-80gb-playstation-3.htmlFYI Sony has discontinued the 80 gig version at least temporarily. I think they are mainly doing it to work on the backwards compatibility with PS2 games. So if you want a ps3 with the extra slots (card readers/usb ports), extra 40gb and ps2 backwards compatibility. They may be hard to find in the coming weeks.
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The 20GB version didn't have built-in wifi which is the biggest reason I went with the 60GB version. The updates you receive over the internet make the built-in wifi worth the extra cash. I've certainly also heard about the load time complaints from the stand alone owners and the PS3 loads extremely fast. I have a few games for it but in all honesty, in the year plus that I've owned it, I've logged maybe 3 total hours playing a game. Mine gets a workout from the 100+ blu-ray titles I own.
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I will go with the 60 GB if this is the way I decided to go. Just what we need...more video games to kill time. 
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Just to confuse you a little more - they no longer sell the 60 GB version, unless you find a used one...
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I think I meant 40 GB.
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What is the difference of a Blu-Ray versus an up-converted DVD (I have a Samsung DVD player attached via HDMI to a Sony LCD 1080i)? In my case, is it huge? Marginal?
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Yes, the 60gb version got out-dated in price cuts and the 40gb has the same features as the 60 less a bit of drive space and had it been out when I purchased mine I would have gone with the 40. It's certainly the most bang for the buck blu-ray player on the market.
When my nieces come over to stay it tends to get more of a game workout. So I'm glad the feature is there.
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What is the difference of a Blu-Ray versus an up-converted DVD (I have a Samsung DVD player attached via HDMI to a Sony LCD 1080i)? In my case, is it huge? Marginal?
Blu-ray is remastered to show at 1080p resolution and an up-convert dvd will display in a 1080i format but it's still a 480p master with happy algorithms. Also on a blu-ray you can get (some still come with compressed dolby) uncompressed mastered audio, so you hear it the way you would hear it at the theater. Often referred to as lossless audio.
Certainly people can be just happy campers with an up-converted dvd and others, like myself, enjoy the added quality of a 1080P resolution movie. You have to have the audio and video equipment to support it but if you do, it's the way to go.
I have a 400 disc Sony DVD player that up-converts to 1080i and I still enjoy my dvd collection but I will double-dip and purchase an existing title I own the dvd of in the blu-ray format if I enjoyed the movie.
Some movies are remastered better than others and the more recent releases are being remastered better than past releases. 3:10 to Yuma which just came out is an amazing movie in the blu-ray format.
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I don’t see watching HD on the internet a reality, most HD movies are 40-50 gigs per movie, that’s a lot of downloading you have to do. Also what about storing the movies, How many movies can you download? the best ps3 can only hold 80 gigs.
It is going to also be hard to stream the movie via there servers.
People are already downloading HD movies through Xbox Live, Apple TV, VOD, etc.. And they're nowhere near 40-50 gigs per movie. I just dont think EITHER HD disc format is going to be as big as DVD or VHS were. Sony is obviously pushing to get Blu-Ray into as many homes as possible right now, but I still think the future is in digital distribution (and not too distant a future, at that)
Nowadays, a new mid-range computer can already serve as a media-server hub for multiple televisions in one home. This used to be something only techies or big time Home theatre geeks did.. (Storing media to hard drives and sharing around the house) But features are already built into Vista, and other Media Center versions of Windows that allow me to record live tv, or download HD movies, then stream them to more than one computer, xbox360, TVs with media center extenders, and even some HP model TVs that will have the extender capabilities built in. Why bother being tied down to a disc on one TV, when I can watch the same movie from 3 different points in my house? They don't even have to be synched to the same part of the movie.. different people can watch different parts of the same movie at the same time. Or folks can obviously watch different movies or live TV off the same main server computer. Right now I think most of the HD downloads are at 720p, instead of 1080p. But my TV doesn't even have a resolution above 720p/1080i. By the time I worry about upgrading my pc, there will have been improvements in compression, and internet pipes are getting bigger and bigger. I don't necessarily think everything will be "on demand" or streaming in the future. There are obvious benefits to storing the media locally (especially right now). But I just don't think enough people are going to end up buying blu-ray players compared to straight DVD players to make this as big of a deal as DVD is/was.
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