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I will go with the 60 GB if this is the way I decided to go. Just what we need...more video games to kill time. 
The PS3 is a nice piece of hardware. Some people have bought it just for movies, but they have a lot of gret games coming out.
I know you enjoy the Nintendo Wii. There's a game coming out later this year for the PS3 that you may be interested in if you like those Nintendo-esque platformer type games. It's called Little Big Planet. Basically you control little characters who grab different blocks and materials to create their own little world and map that you can play around on, and even jump online with others. It's going to be big on user created stuff.
It looks really innovative and reminds me of something you'd see Nintendo come out with.
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Oh, I'm sure we could find plenty of games we like. Little Big Planet...I'll have to look it up...sounds a bit like Animal Crossing. 
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People are already downloading HD movies through Xbox Live, Apple TV, VOD, etc..
Marketing people are pretty loose when it comes to the term "HD." Needless to say, what you download today in no way resembles what is on a Blu-Ray disc. The video quality is measurably inferior and the audio quality is not even comparable.
I'm with you though. The moment I can start downloading movies from Netflix and watch them on my TV in full resolution, instead of waiting for mailers, I'm all over it. Netflix Watch Now is the first step of many to come.
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Netflix mailing is really fast for me. I send a movie back and have a new one in TWO days. Not kidding. If you rotate two or three you should never be without.
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Netflix mailing is really fast for me. I send a movie back and have a new one in TWO days. Not kidding. If you rotate two or three you should never be without.
I know. We've been with Netflix for 6 years. Snail mail can't compete with VOD though.
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Another thing I didn't see mentioned but the PS3 also up converts all of your DVD's to 1080i as well as playing Blu-ray movies. I own 7 Blu-ray movies now. Pirates of the Carabiean 3 was amazing as well as Casino Royal. As for digital downloads, I like have the disc version better. Unless you are a very persistent person and backs up your files regularly, losing a large library of movies from a corrupted HDD can be a little frustrating. They have many down loadable games out now on all 3 systems and I still choose to own the disc copy when available. Warhawk is one of them for example. Not to mention when Socom Confrontations comes out it will be either Download or Disc. Again I'll choose the disc. Now IMO based on personal experience, I don't see digital downloads to come into play for a little while. To be able to have a decent TV, with a decent video card hooked up to your HDTV in the mainstream of households is a little ways off. In the mean time Blu-ray will benefit.
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It upconverts to 1080i?? I'm SO there! Any cable suggestions? I assume this will be a HDMI connection?
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Another thing I didn't see mentioned but the PS3 also up converts all of your DVD's to 1080i as well as playing Blu-ray movies.
I own 7 Blu-ray movies now. Pirates of the Carabiean 3 was amazing as well as Casino Royal.
As for digital downloads, I like have the disc version better. Unless you are a very persistent person and backs up your files regularly, losing a large library of movies from a corrupted HDD can be a little frustrating.
They have many down loadable games out now on all 3 systems and I still choose to own the disc copy when available. Warhawk is one of them for example. Not to mention when Socom Confrontations comes out it will be either Download or Disc. Again I'll choose the disc.
Now IMO based on personal experience, I don't see digital downloads to come into play for a little while. To be able to have a decent TV, with a decent video card hooked up to your HDTV in the mainstream of households is a little ways off. In the mean time Blu-ray will benefit.
I understand your point for media you want to buy, but for rentals, a physical disc makes no sense. Netflix is blowing all its profits on USPS mailers and buying/unwrapping/repackaging/replacing discs.
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It upconverts to 1080i?? I'm SO there! Any cable suggestions? I assume this will be a HDMI connection?
Yeah, HDMI only for upconverting. I have to use component so no upconversion for me.
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Yeah, HDMI only for upconverting. I have to use component so no upconversion for me.
It upgrades to 1080p I thought. My TV is 720p but accepts 1080p in and it always comes up as 1080p.
PS3 is probably the best upconvert player on the market but it falls far short of Blu-Ray. But that's a given.
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Most new TV's have a built in processor that provides upconversion. Allowing the DVD player to do the upconversion is not always the most optimal solution. Too many variables to simply say one method is preferred. Also, HDMI cables are not always the best choice either. Yes, they are digital cables, but there still a conversion process going from the output to the TV. Sometimes a better picture is received with component cables and the analog to digital conversion. Its all about testing and seeing what is best for your situation.
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I will go with the 60 GB if this is the way I decided to go. Just what we need...more video games to kill time.
The PS3 is a nice piece of hardware. Some people have bought it just for movies, but they have a lot of gret games coming out.
I know you enjoy the Nintendo Wii. There's a game coming out later this year for the PS3 that you may be interested in if you like those Nintendo-esque platformer type games. It's called Little Big Planet. Basically you control little characters who grab different blocks and materials to create their own little world and map that you can play around on, and even jump online with others. It's going to be big on user created stuff.
It looks really innovative and reminds me of something you'd see Nintendo come out with.
I have an Xbox 360 and PS3... the 360 is completely 10 times better then the ps3… just about every game you can get on Ps3 you can get on 360.. 360 has much better exclusive games then ps3
I am not a Xbox fan boy btw. lol
I use my ps3 for blue-ray.
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It upconverts to 1080i?? I'm SO there! Any cable suggestions? I assume this will be a HDMI connection?
Yeah, HDMI only for upconverting. I have to use component so no upconversion for me.
It upgrades to 1080p I thought. My TV is 720p but accepts 1080p in and it always comes up as 1080p.
PS3 is probably the best upconvert player on the market but it falls far short of Blu-Ray. But that's a given.
The only way to get true 1080p is to have a 1080p TV.. The best resolution your TV is going to get is 720p no matter what up converting capabilities it has. Nothing up converts to 1080p only to 1080i.. Also just because it up converts does not mean is will look as good as a HD player. For an example a blue-ray movie watched on a 1080i tv will still look better then a movie up converted to 1080i.. The tv makes the diffrence more then the actuall player
Why does the ps3 fall short on the blue-ray?
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Its all about testing and seeing what is best for your situation.
I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars testing cables, though. We have a Samsung LNT4661F...guess I'll start searching for answers.
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People are already downloading HD movies through Xbox Live, Apple TV, VOD, etc..
Marketing people are pretty loose when it comes to the term "HD." Needless to say, what you download today in no way resembles what is on a Blu-Ray disc. The video quality is measurably inferior and the audio quality is not even comparable.
Bingo.. once you go 1080p you don’t want to go back.
720p is technically HD but it is no comparison to true 1080p.
I do not have a sound system set up because in my condo I wouldn’t be able to enjoy it but I have been told blue-ray audio is just amazing.
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I have an Xbox 360 and PS3... the 360 is completely 10 times better then the ps3… just about every game you can get on Ps3 you can get on 360.. 360 has much better exclusive games then ps3
I am not a Xbox fan boy btw. lol
I use my ps3 for blue-ray.
Bingo, we have a winner.
If Blu-Ray wins as it lokos, Ill buy a PS3 for the Blu-Ray and use the XBox for the video games.
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Its all about testing and seeing what is best for your situation.
I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars testing cables, though. We have a Samsung LNT4661F...guess I'll start searching for answers.
If you have a newer TV that supports HDMI you should HDMI. HDMI is a better technology. (Plus its only one cable, if you have a mounted plasma on your wall that makes all the diffrence)
Also don’t get suckered into buying $100 HDMI monster cables from Best buy, you can get HDMI cables off eBay for $5 (they will work just as good)…Why? You ask? In short distances such as 3ft HDMI cables it does not matter what brand of cable because the speed of the signal going from the TV to the player is simply just to fast to matter. It only matters if you are using longer HDMI cable such as 50ft cables (but why would you use that in the first place?)
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I have an Xbox 360 and PS3... the 360 is completely 10 times better then the ps3… just about every game you can get on Ps3 you can get on 360.. 360 has much better exclusive games then ps3
I am not a Xbox fan boy btw. lol
I use my ps3 for blue-ray.
The 360 has a good year on the PS3. There's going to be a lot more titles.
The big name PS3 exclusives just started coming out Christmas time, and there's loads more coming out this year. Looking at the upcoming lineups, it looks as though the 360 had their year in 2007, while the PS3's will be in 2008.
Uncharted, UT III came out Christmas time. We've got MGS4, GT5, Haze, The Show, Little Big Planet, FF, Killzone 2, inFamous, SOCOM, Home and loads of others on the horizon for this year.
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As for digital downloads, I like have the disc version better. Unless you are a very persistent person and backs up your files regularly, losing a large library of movies from a corrupted HDD can be a little frustrating
Setup a RAID configuration and you don't need to worry about that. I still backup to an external terabyte drive weekly (automated through Windows 2003 server), but I run RAID 5 on my drives in my server as well.
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Setup a RAID configuration and you don't need to worry about that. I still backup to an external terabyte drive weekly (automated through Windows 2003 server), but I run RAID 5 on my drives in my server as well.
I'm a tech guy, so I understand and I run back-ups all of the time. I do a lot of work on my PC and if I lost one of my projects I'd have a hard time starting over from scratch.
Where I was going with my comment is the average person is not there yet. In my familly me and probably my older brother are the only ones that would be able to do digital downloads.
That's because we are the only ones with the knowledge, PC, and graphics card able to handle true HD ported on our HDTV.
It's going to be a while for digital downloads to be mainstream in peoples livingroom.
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I'm not huge into computer technology.
For one, I'd much rather watch it on my HDTV then this computer. Then you can hood it up to your TV, but that is something else you'd have to do. I don't know about quality issues, either, but I haven't seen a movie on the net in 1080p.
I'd rather sit back on my comfy couch, pop a movie in the player and sit there with my remote control and surround sound around me.
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Bingo, we have a winner.
If Blu-Ray wins as it lokos, Ill buy a PS3 for the Blu-Ray and use the XBox for the video games.
I'm not saying never buy one for the games.. but I'd hold off on buying one simply for Blu-Ray. MS has said and re-iterated that they are not entirely married to the HD-DVD format, and if the market decides that Blu-Ray is the way to go, they will make a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360.
As far as sitting on a comfy couch, a media center extender or xbox 360 w/ a hardwired or wireless 80211.N connection can stream HD from my computer to the living room... When most people talk about using media center or home theatre PCs, they're not sitting in front of a computer.
I'm aware of the 720p vs 1080P for the downloaded videos vs hd discs.. but as I said.. I'm not in the market myself for a 1080p TV anyway. And by the time I am, there's a chance they'll have improved the size/speed of the transfers anyway.
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Then you have to go out and upgrade and buy stuff anyways. To me, it makes more sense to buy a BD player or PS3. Much more simple. I like having a disc. Like I said, I enjoy some high tech stuff, but also don't get too involved and blow too much to have everything.
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Bingo, we have a winner.
If Blu-Ray wins as it lokos, Ill buy a PS3 for the Blu-Ray and use the XBox for the video games.
I'm not saying never buy one for the games.. but I'd hold off on buying one simply for Blu-Ray. MS has said and re-iterated that they are not entirely married to the HD-DVD format, and if the market decides that Blu-Ray is the way to go, they will make a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360.
There are a few concerns if Microsoft decide to do blue-ray. The add-on may not be as good as the actual stand alone player or ps3.
The HD-DVD player was High Def but technically the player was 720p that unpcoverted to 1080i. I am not sure if it’s possible that the can create a blue-ray player that will be TRUE 1080p because many of the older Xbox’s do you not have HDMI slots. The addon will never be as good as a built in player, or stand alone model.
I had the actual add-on HD player for my Xbox 360 and there was a HUGE difference with the stand alone player.
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another link Here's another story about the same thing. Looks like HD-DVD is about to buy the farm.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ib77125d96b22e86027d0bfb0c25aa58dToshiba to drop HD DVD, sources say Company says no decision has been made By Thomas K. Arnold and Erik Gruenwedel Feb 15, 2008 The format war has turned into a format death watch. Toshiba is widely expected to pull the plug on its HD DVD format sometime in the coming weeks, reliable industry sources say, after a rash of retail defections that followed Warner Home Video's announcement in early January that it would support only the rival Blu-ray Disc format after May. Officially, no decision has been made, insists Jodi Sally, vp of marketing for Toshiba America Consumer Products. "Based on its technological advancements, we continue to believe HD DVD is the best format for consumers, given the value and consistent quality inherent in our player offerings," she said. But she hinted that something's in the air. "Given the market developments in the past month," she said, "Toshiba will continue to study the market impact and the value proposition for consumers, particularly in light of our recent price reductions on all HD DVD players." Immediately after the Warner announcement, the HD DVD North American Promotional Group canceled its Consumer Electronics Show presentation. The following week, data collected by the NPD Group revealed Blu-ray took in 93% of all hardware sales for that week. Toshiba subsequently fired back, drastically cutting its HD DVD player prices by as much as half, effective Jan. 15. But a hoped-for consumer sales surge never materialized; retail point-of-sale data collected by the NPD Group for the week ending Jan. 26 still showed Blu-ray Disc players ahead by a wide margin, 65% to 28%. Software sales have declined as well. The latest Nielsen VideoScan First Alert sales data show the top-selling Blu-ray Disc title for the week, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment's "Across the Universe," sold more than three times as many copies the week ending Feb. 10 as the top HD DVD seller, Universal Studios Home Entertainment's "Elizabeth: The Golden Age." Blu-ray Disc titles also accounted for 81% of all high-def disc sales for the week, with HD DVD at just 19%. Toshiba had been pitching its discounted HD DVD players toward the standard DVD crowd as well as high-def enthusiasts, noting in its ad message that the new players would make DVDs look a lot better as well. And as a last-ditch effort, the company ran an ad during the Super Bowl -- a 30-second spot that reportedly cost $2.7 million. But in the end, sources say, the substantial loss Toshiba is incurring with each HD DVD player sold -- a figure sources say could be as high as several hundred dollars -- coupled with a series of high-profile retail defections has driven the company to at last concede defeat. "An announcement is coming soon," said one source close to the HD DVD camp. "It could be a matter of weeks." Microsoft is the other big player in the HD DVD equation. Last fall when Paramount Home Entertainment announced it was dropping its dual-format strategy and would release titles only in HD DVD, giving that side a brief resurgence, a pitch to journalists for interviews came from a Microsoft email address. Several phone calls to Kevin Collins, Microsoft's normally accessible "HD DVD evangelist," were not returned. Nor were calls to Ken Graffeo, the Universal Studios Home Entertainment executive who doubles as co-president of the HD DVD North American Promotional Group. When Warner abandoned HD DVD in January, the format was left with just two of the six major studios backing it, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Paramount Home Entertainment. Blu-ray support among independents is rising. ADV Films, Tai Seng Entertainment, Topics Entertainment and National Geographic have all confirmed they are going Blu-ray exclusive, while more than one indie that was releasing titles just on HD DVD, including Surround Records and Opus Arte, will now offer Blu-ray as well. This week, two key retailers, Best Buy and Netflix Inc., both got off the fence and threw their support behind Blu-ray exclusively, citing widespread studio support and consumer preference. Both companies said Warner's decision was a turning point in their strategies. "We've listened to our customers, and we are responding," said Best Buy president and COO Brian Dunn. Netflix spokesperson Steve Swasey said it appeared the format war had been won by Blu-ray for the benefit of everyone. "We wanted to put an exclamation point behind that," he said. Industry observers are closely watching Amazon, but there's been no movement, other than a 50% off sale for 150 HD DVD titles, including "Transformers," "Zodiac" and "Stardust." Blockbuster Inc. last summer already decided to offer only Blu-ray Disc titles at its company-owned rental stores. Chris Tribbey, Home Media Magazine senior reporter, contributed to this report.
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Well, if you've been waiting to see who wins the "format war." Bluray is your winner... Quote:
TOKYO--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.
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Yeah, this has been expected for about a week now, and was actually discussed in the Netflix HD DVD thread.
It's good to see this thing is finally decided though, so people who would like to get a high definition video player can now do so knowing it's the right one, and manufacturers will start investing in production of them, causing prices to fall rapidly.
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Thank God! I wonder how long before the movies that are on HD DVD but not Blu Ray will come out on Blu Ray? There are several really good movies on HD DVD but not Blu Ray that I would like to purchase. PS3= GOOD INVESTMENT 
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id like to know when I can buy star wars on blu ray 
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Hopefully soon, been watching Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi on HBOHD for a few months now and it looks awsome.
Lucas said he wouldn't back a format after he backed Laserdisc and now it's over so he can release the dual trilogy!!
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Just a little sidenote.. Sony shares surge on HD DVD demise Blu-ray makers stock sees boost following Toshiba's back out of format war; analysts peg PS3 as new format war winner. By Emma Boyes, GameSpot UK Posted Feb 19, 2008 6:19 pm PT Sony's shares gained nearly five percent today on news that Toshiba will be bowing out of the latest movie format wars, reports Reuters. The announcement that it will cease production of HD DVD players before the end of April leaves Blu-ray, which is integrated into the PlayStation 3 console, as the victorious format. Sony's stock in the US hit a high of $47.07 in early trade on the New York Stock Exchange, before dropping slightly to $46.96, up $2.18 or 4.87 percent from Friday's close. Analysts were in agreement that the demise of HD DVD was a boon for Sony and could ultimately be bad news for Microsoft's console. William Blair & Company analyst Ralph Shackart said that, "We believe Blu-ray's victory could drive market share gains for the PS3, as we believe consumers will now be more willing to pay up (versus 360) for the standard Blu-ray player." Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter told GameSpot that he agreed. He said, "Educated consumers who have been holding off buying on the format war to make a decision will now probably buy a PS3. Uneducated consumers who have no idea that there was a format war are likely to get pushed to buy a PS3 by sales clerks. Retail sales clerks being what they are, they are now really, really going to push sales of Blu-ray, and therefore the PS3." Pachter believes that by the end of this year's holiday season, the PS3 is likely to now emerge victorious in the console war. He told GameSpot, "The real problem for the 360 is that very few people will buy a 360 and a PS3. So therefore, every PS3 sale will likely mean that person won't buy a 360, so this news will ultimately hurt 360 sales. But I don't think it will hurt the Wii. If I had to bet, I'd say Microsoft gets no more than 30 percent of the total install base, and Sony and Microsoft slug it out, and Sony will ultimately prevail." link
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Pachter believes that by the end of this year's holiday season, the PS3 is likely to now emerge victorious in the console war. He told GameSpot, "The real problem for the 360 is that very few people will buy a 360 and a PS3. So therefore, every PS3 sale will likely mean that person won't buy a 360, so this news will ultimately hurt 360 sales. But I don't think it will hurt the Wii. If I had to bet, I'd say Microsoft gets no more than 30 percent of the total install base, and Sony and Microsoft slug it out, and Sony will ultimately prevail."
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And both are still outsold by the Wii.  Both microsoft and sony have a long way to go before they can sell as many units as nintendo. Granted, people will probably still own a Wii and 360 or wii an PS3 soooo ....
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And both are still outsold by the Wii. Both microsoft and sony have a long way to go before they can sell as many units as nintendo. Granted, people will probably still own a Wii and 360 or wii an PS3 soooo ....
Actually, most of the experts think the PS3 will overtake the Wii by 2010. There is a large portion of PS2 owners that still haven't made the jump to any Nexgen system and you will see a boom on the PS3 with the next price cut and the release of FF13, Gran Tourismo 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4.
The Wii will have a short life cyclce, the only way it wins in total units sold is if Microsoft releases it's next system in 2011 forcing Sony to release it's next sytem in 2012.
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