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CURRENT 2008 CAP NUMBERS

PROJECTED PER-TEAM CAP: $116,000,000

Arizona Cardinals
$109,500,000

Atlanta Falcons
$111,900,000

Baltimore Ravens
$109,800,000

Buffalo Bills
$89,100,000

Carolina Panthers
$120,900,000

Chicago Bears
$96,000,000

Cincinnati Bengals
$92,000,000

Cleveland Browns
$99,400,000

Dallas Cowboys
$103,300,000

Denver Broncos
$104,800,000

Detroit Lions
$98,100,000

Green Bay Packers
$100,900,000

Houston Texans
$96,400,000

Indianapolis Colts
$125,800,000

Jacksonville Jaguars
$89,100,000

Kansas City Chiefs
$106,200,000

Miami Dolphins
$85,000,000

Minnesota Vikings
$101,200,000

New England Patriots
$112,900,000

New Orleans Saints
$89,300,000

New York Giants
$95,100,000

New York Jets
$98,800,000

Oakland Raiders
$95,700,000

Philadelphia Eagles
$104,000,000

Pittsburgh Steelers
$99,300,000

San Diego Chargers
$94,600,000

San Francisco 49ers
$86,700,000

Seattle Seahawks
$103,100,000

St. Louis Rams
$112,600,000

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
$97,200,000

Tennessee Titans
$79,400,000

Washington Redskins
$123,500,000

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008capfigures.htm

According to this we are a little over $16 mill under the cap. What happened to the supposed $30 million? Does anyone know of any big cap numbers for this year of players that might get cut, like Roye, Washington, McGinest?

Wow, not looking too good for Carolina and Washington.

Nor Indy

I'm not really certain about this but the FA salaries like Lewis' s, Washington's and Anderson's may not be included in those cap figures?? Some savings could be realized if Baxter and Bentley were cut. Unless Phil finds suitable replacements, McGinest and Roye might be around this year. IIRC both their contracts expire at the end of this coming season, but the cost savings may not be significant if they are cut. Remember, the players that replace Roye and McGinest will be paid from cap money too! Just my unscientific opinion but I think we reached our peak, as far as available cap money is concerned, last year. As our players get better their price tag will increase. Already there are rumblings that Edwards and Winslow want more. That is why I don't think Phil will break the bank on someone like Lance Briggs.

Unfortunately, there are sources that have different cap figures. Which one is correct? This one has us at $30m
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers

I hate to say this but I think the source for the cap space is way off the mark.

No team under the salary cap can exceed the limit, and this source has Washington over the limit. All contracts have to be cleared thru the league. Knowing that how is it that Washington is over. In fact I might add, no team can exceed 90% of the cap going into a season. I suppose a team could exceed the limit now, but I would expect mass cuts to reduce their cap, if not the league I believe would step in and force them to make cuts..

No I think this source is way off the mark. Everything I have heard or read says the Browns are @ 30 Mill under the cap and this source says the Browns are around half that much. It's hard to believe that everybody else has the Browns at 30 Mill and this one has us at 16 Mill..

JMHO

Brown to the Bone

i think these numbers represent the current contracts for this coming season. Which Washington is over-extended, and must release people to get under the cap. Basically, projected cap numbers if nothing changes.

I didn't say anything about LJ comment on Baxter, but I might include this all in one post. TW is a FA, and Baxter is a FA, I can't see how anyone would say that the Browns have cap dollars tied up in either player. So if what you both are saying where true ( which I believe it is not) how would anyone asign it a dollar amount against the Browns cap. Simple their not.

Brown to the bone

I said on another thread that we had about $18 million, which I've heard $16-18 million, and got scoffed at. That number will probably go up if we cut guys like Roye & Andra Davis (most likely a draft day trade).

Does anyone know if the "unlikely to be earned bonus" for Pontbriand (6- 8 million iirc) is accounted for in this cap-number? Cause I guess it´s not since we´ll have "more" than 116mil to spend thabnks to this move, right?
We kind of moved some "cap space" into this upcoming season...or not?

this seems to be one of the best kept secrets in the league- how much cap space is available to each team..... I was surprised to see this listed in the 16-18 million range, seems like most report in the 30 range.

It's the 20th of Feb, these numbers are meaningless since it's a guess, and change pretty much week to week. No one right now actually knows what the actual cap figures will be come next season, and the actual numbers won't be known until the cap is actually set, and these numbers will change then again, depending on who stays or who goes, and what positions we draft in since a certain amount of money has to be allocated for rookies. This is a guess a slightly educated one, but am willing to bet it's off the mark. either way, it's really is too early to speculated on.

The only thing we do know is that we are not in salary cap hell, and as fans thats all that we should really care about, since in the overall scheme of things Savage will and should keep us in the plus concerning cap space.

No one should look at these numbers as the be all end all concerning the salary cap.

It's not a secret since the numbers haven't been set yet, and never have been set this early. Each year these numbers are speculated on prior to the actual date when the cap is set. It's early in the year, and this is the normal procedure. Why people are confused by this doesn't make sense to me.

Do you know when the numbers become official?? Are they ever posted by the leagu?-- i can't remember ever seeing an "official listing" where people did not question the accuracy.

If I recall correctly the numbers are set during the annual owners meetings, not sure of the dates of this years meetings, but it's the same meetings when policies and procedure questions come into play, i.e... the Dawson field goal during the Ravens game when instant reply wasn't allowed to be used, but is speculated that this rule will change. It's before the draft, but like I said not sure of the actual date.

They have to be under cap by March 1st.

Peter King gave salary cap numbers in one of his articles about a month ago. He had the Browns around 30 million. Here is a site I found that has numbers similar to the P.K. article. I do not know how reputable these numbers or this site is.
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

It's not gonna be $30 million. We're gonna have enough to sign a key D-Lineman and a LB, maybe a little more.

I'm thinking these numbers aren't right... Just a guess however..

Per NFL.com and Adam Schefter's article we are $32.5 Million UNDER the cap.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid...mp;confirm=true


INDIANAPOLIS -- Our economy might be headed for a recession, but the NFL seems immune.

One week before the free-agent signing period kicks off, more teams have more salary-cap space than ever before.

No team has more than the Miami Dolphins, who as of Thursday morning, were a whopping $44 million under the $116 million salary cap. Jacksonville is not far behind at $42 million under.

In fact, 10 teams are at least $30 million under the salary cap, giving them financial freedom they seldom have enjoyed. Those teams include Buffalo, Tennessee, New Orleans, San Francisco, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland and Chicago.

Even the teams struggling to get under the cap have little room to make up. As of Thursday morning, Arizona, Indianapolis and Washington were the only three teams projected to be over the salary cap of $116 million.

Arizona is $2.1 million over the cap, Washington $103,000 over and Indianapolis was $230,850 over the salary cap –- but that was before they signed tight end Dallas Clark to a new six-year contract Wednesday.

Thus Indianapolis, Washington and Arizona will have some trimming to do before Friday, Feb. 29, when the free-agent signing period kicks off.



Teams with most salary-cap room
Team Room available
Miami Dolphins $44 million under
Jacksonville Jaguars $42 million under
Buffalo Bills $39.4 million under
Tennessee Titans $39.2 million under
New Orleans Saints $39.2 million under
San Francisco 49ers $37.4 million under
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $32.9 million under
Minnesota Vikings $32.7 million under
Cleveland Browns $32.5 million under
Chicago Bears $30 million under


Teams with the least salary-cap room
Team Room available
Arizona Cardinals $2.1 million over
Indianapolis Colts $230,850 over
Washington Redskins $103,000 over
Baltimore Ravens $961,000 under
St. Louis Rams $6.2 million under
Detroit Lions $6.8 million under
Carolina Panthers $7.8 million under
Dallas Cowboys $12.5 million under
Denver Broncos $16.7 million under
New England Patriots $17.4 million under

I saw it up on NFL network last night the Browns are in fact 32.5 under the cap. It doesn't mean crap because the Browns won't be able to use any of it to land top D line talent anyway...



I assume since the source was the NFL network that their numbers are much more accurate then the orginal post said...


That said, I hope that PS finds a way for us to trade for help or makes a move in the draft, our upcoming season hinges on being able to upgrade the D line IMHO..

Brown to the Bone

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That said, I hope that PS finds a way for us to trade for help or makes a move in the draft, our upcoming season hinges on being able to upgrade the D line IMHO..

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I ain't worried about it...Tell ya' why...

There's one other place we can go...We don't need to spend because we have it...

I DO NOT WANT JUNK on this front 7 just to say we made a move...

Some of these Tagged guys hurt...Hackett and Johnson are out there...One will be a Brown I'd bet...A solid 2 with Jurevicious where he should be could put this offense over the top...Lewis back...Either QB back...An Offensive Line coming out for YEAR TWO TOGETHER!!!!!!!!

Then comes the Front 7...What's available???

Briggs
Pace
Mitchell
Kelly
Walker

We need LB's...

There's also gonna be some Cap Cuts available...

The DL don't need to be big names...If there's anyone I trust when it comes to knowing what we need for a 3-4 Front 3...It's Savage and Crennel...The big buck DL just isn't there...

I was afraid of this when the new CBA and Salary Cap came into play...Too many teams have too much available...They can afford to keep their own...Which is actually a good thing...Damn near Pre Cap Days...

Still won't be surprised if Savage packages something to move up for an Impact Lineman in the draft...Even if it includes the 2009 #1...

DiD I agree that having a true #2 receiver would be nice but not a requirement from where I sit anyway. JJ did a stand up job in that roll last year, and should the need arrise I think we could go with what we got.

FYI, The Browns offense has been unlocked.. Now we need to find a way to unlock the defense because without a much much better showing by that group we are headed for TROUBLE.

Don't know if you remember but last offseason many a poster thought that the Browns defense would carry the team last year. How wrong they were. I was one of the very few that thought we would score points in bunches, but give them up in bunches as well. And I still am saying the same thing, "IF" we don't do something to improve the depth and quality of our D Line we are headed for another season of sub par defensive showings. I think we both agree on that much.

The avenues available to PS are becoming more and more limited IMHO. I think we needed to add depth along with a Elite DE or T, and the upcoming FA class because of the use of the franchise tag offers niether IMHO. It doesn't mean we still can't improve the depth, which should lend itself to better play, but the elite player just isn't in this market, and that concerns me quite a bit. At this point I see the Browns having to overpay for what remains to even improve depth. I sure hope we agree to whatever will get us by for now, back load whatever contracts we offer with small signing bonuses and cut whomever we sign when better talent is available.

But I disagree with the idea that will be OK if we sign a WR, that to me is way way off the mark, and is actually a minor concern at this point..

Brown to the Bone

You've slightly missed the point...

Since there's no Haynesworth/Williams available anymore...And by that I mean having SPLASHED and gone for BOTH...The "Options" have opened up a bit...There's other available guys at positions of need...

If I'm Savage I would let others get into a bidding war for Berrian...I'd slip under the radar and snag Johnson from Zona on DAY ONE...This kid's gonna be an outstanding wide-out once he gets out from under Boldin and Fitz...He fits perfectly here and does what Jurevicious hasn't and CAN'T...SPEED...Jurevicious only clogged the middle where Winslow does his damage...

I'd sign THREE by Saturday...

Johnson WR
Kelly DE
Pace OLB

And look real hard at two more...

Sopoago NT
Walker DE Depth

We can't get caught up in Front 7 ONLY when the pickins have slimmed down and let another Offensive Spot go unattended to...

Hey, i'll fess up. I thought the defense last year would be much improved and hold their own. I new the front 3 was lacking, well- getting old- and hoped age would hold off a bit longer. Its very obvious that this is a huge need in the offseason. Its becoming more obvious that there is no quick fix. I sure don't want to be over spending for no improvement, back load the contracts seems to make good sense.

I think we still have no idea what the potential of the linebackers is- we know they have limitations, but without a line to protect them we really do not know what we have. But again, age is a factor with Willie- we would have to be blind not to see that.

But i disagree with the widereceiver thing. JJ has said this is his last year. Unless the widereceiver is special, it takes a few years to develop one from the draft. Now is the time to bring in a replacement for Joe. It will make the offense that much more explosive, and that is a good thing. Because if we can't stop people, we better be able to outscore them.

We're gonna have to get that jackhammer ILB (ala Patrick Willis, Ray Lewis, etc) in the draft (if there is one available) because there is NOTHING that resembles an enforcer ILB in free agency. Briggs is good but not what we need. Pace, Kelly & Johnson would all be good fits for the Browns.

I want Johnson from Zona as well... Travis Wilson was a flop and JJ has some mileage and tends to get banged up quite a bit... Cribbs I think could grow into the #2/3 role but then that would also wear him down a bit for what he does best... It is amazing to me that we have virtually ZERO weak links on our offense... I would LOVE to see "neck tie" eventually be replaced but that is more of a luxery than a need...

In other news, I cannot believe San Fran is so far under the cap considering how much they blew their load on FA last year....

I understand what your saying I guess I did miss your point. I agree if the market place is such that you have nothing but lemons to work with then it's wise to make lemon aide... I agree....
Brown to the Bone

No matter the amount, it doesn't make much sense to be that far under the cap because it is high enough all the good teams can fit what they need in to the amount.

FA was all about needs in the past. At least for the next few years teams are going to be able to keep the players they want to keep so this process almost hints at selecting the best available.

WR might not have been high on the list of many some time back, but if WR is what we can get, then we need to go ahead and get it.

This isn't about spending money for spending moneys sake. Another receiver is a need. If all this FA period makes available are WR's we might as well get one.

As this FA period shows, it isn't the advantage it once was to be 20-30 mil under the cap unless Lerner wants to be way under for financial reasons.

IMO what we should do with this cap space after FA is done with is re-do contracts to frontload them.

This way we have more space in future years.

That too.

To me, being way under the cap is as much a mismanagement of the cap as it being pinned to the top of the cap.

I am not saying throw money away.

Figure a way to get Edwards his 10 mil as a bonus that hits this year and get him locked for another 5 or 6 years.

Spending money doesn't have to mean it is on players not already on the roster......as you said before.

The problem is that the player's agents pester them that they are not making enough $$$ in a particular year for their talent level.

Best known example: TO with the Eagles...he was making an average of $7.1 mil over 3 years with them which was top 3 WR money. However, in year 2 he was scheduled to make $1.5mil because of Philly's cap that year. So, his agent pestered him that he was making Dennis Northcutt money and he went along with it.

Not that our players are TO...or that with the proper management that explains the reasoning behind the deal and making sure they understand we could not frontload the players. but, we would have to be very careful about it.

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I would LOVE to see "neck tie" eventually be replaced but that is more of a luxery than a need...

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Please forgive me, but who is necktie?

"neck tie" is the pet name that Toad gave to Shaffer because when he was a LT, he held so often to avoid getting owned... IMO, he settled in quite a better as a RT once he had Tuck next to him...

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these numbers are meaningless since it's a guess, and change pretty much week to week. No one right now actually knows what the actual cap figures will be come next season, and the actual numbers won't be known until the cap is actually set, and these numbers will change then again, depending on who stays or who goes, and what positions we draft in since a certain amount of money has to be allocated for rookies. This is a guess a slightly educated one, but am willing to bet it's off the mark. either way, it's really is too early to speculated on.

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Every year.

Different numbers are posted and people ask why and how can they find the real numbers.

Every year.

I'm more concerned with the friction over the CBA myself........