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So, in order to keep the crystal meth freaks from producing, they put the law abiding citizens through the wringer.
Through the wringer????????
First we had people suffering, now we have them going through "the wringer."
Good Lord what will the people be subjected to next?!?! Run for the hills! They asked me for my ID!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! 
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.. " Good Lord what will the people be subjected to next?!?! Run for the hills! They asked me for my ID!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! .. " .......................................................................................................... Shep my friend, you just don't get and never will ! Thats Ok, Lets hope we can keep agreeing not to agree  .. .. Heres one for ya: A group of Americans, retired teachers, recently went to France on a tour. Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on. 'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs officer asked sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously. 'Then you should know enough to have your passport ready.' The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it.' 'Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !' The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained. 'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find any damn Frenchmen to show it to.' 
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Shep my friend, you just don't get and never will !
Could you please tell me what it is that I am not getting?
As I see it, if I want to purchase medication with certain ingredients, I have to show my driver license. Once I show my license and display that I am not purchasing inordinate amounts of it in which to produce an illegal drug I can purchase this medication.
May be a minor inconvenience but my constitutional rights have not been infringed upon and I still get my medication.
How do you see it?
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.. " May be a minor inconvenience but my constitutional rights have not been infringed upon and I still get my medication.. "
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I see it as an Infringement on my Constitutional Rights .. The assumption here is that if purchase more than what a Govt. agency determines is normal, I have evil intentions or am incapable of overseeing my own health. I reject that stance .Goes back to my high school days ( when Hitler was corporal ) .. One kid gets caught chewing gum and we all get detentions .. Stupid then , stupid now ( opinion ) .. I know is a simplification but it fits..
We are all product of our environment to a certain extent ; My environment produced an Individual who developed total distrust of a Large Federal Govt... I feel the individuals should be responsible for them selves and their actions .. If they break the law , then thats what cops and judges are for..
Another simple example :
Your SS # was never to be used to track you , your money ! Huge topic of discussion and debate with Congress and FDR.
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Well for all the pill poppers out there. Take 3 to 6 shots of whisky, and POOF no more runny nose and you will sleep just fine, and you can buy all of it you want to
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Well for all the pill poppers out there. Take 3 to 6 shots of whisky, and POOF no more runny nose and you will sleep just fine, and you can buy all of it you want to
And what if you're 15? 
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Then drink the whole 5th, like I did 
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So, in order to keep the crystal meth freaks from producing, they put the law abiding citizens through the wringer.
Sounds like a perfect reason to kick the crap out of any hardcore drug users, then on the police report, just say "I was trying to get some allergy medicine" 
lol..
but seriously the sad part is often they'd just sell the product instead of buying it to begin with. I used to work in a drug store before they started putting this stuff in the pharmacy and well one night some fools ran out the side door with merchandise stuffed in a garbage bag, can you guess what they stole?
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I see it as an Infringement on my Constitutional Rights ..
Which particular constitutional right is being infringed upon?
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The assumption here is that if purchase more than what a Govt. agency determines is normal, I have evil intentions or am incapable of overseeing my own health. I reject that stance
Even though there are thousands of medications behind the counter that you can't just grab and head to the cashier with?
Should valium be available on the shelf? Xanax? Oxyconton? Vicodin?
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Goes back to my high school days ( when Hitler was corporal )
This doesn't have anything to do with Hitler, your social security number, or on the beach at Normandy in 1944......it has to do with the regulation of medication sales, and you are saying that it infringes on your constitutional right.
I ask again; which one?
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.. Has to do with my RIGHT of privacy , and if you would take the time THINK about some one else's opinion instead of trying to push your's you might see that SS is an example of Govt, always , always abusing the power they have.
.. I guess I pull up the Constitution on line and give verse and chapter . But when I get asked for my ID.for something as simple as cold medicine , that becomes an invasion of my privacy , period . You want the Govt. to protect from all the boogie men in the world , fine with me .. I do not want nor need it .. I am a man who can take care of my own with out Govt, intervention.. And that means in 99% of my life.
I do not need a Govt. or one of it's agency telling me right from wrong .
I try and talk about the bigger issue and you just don't get it !
The 1944 was suppose to be a joke " Hello " .. That went over your head too.?
Shep... enough .. I am not going to get into a pis--ing contest with ya.
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and if you would take the time THINK about some one else's opinion instead of trying to push your's
Not pushing anything. Many times I have read on here that our rights are being abused, and you stated that your constitutional right has been infringed upon.
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It's my guess that you can't, or you would have done so. You can't because there is no chapter or verse that shows where your rights are being infringed upon due to the regulation of medication.
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I try and talk about the bigger issue and you just don't get it !
The issue is the regulation of medication and how it is sold in the United States under a law that was enacted a year and a half ago.
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Shep... enough .. I am not going to get into a pis--ing contest with ya.
Not a contest of any kind. You said your constitutional rights were infringed upon, I asked where. You can't answer, so you say you're not getting into it any more.
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.. Stepped across the line with name calling , Sorry about that, no place on the board for it ..
.. Is there a right to privacy in the Constitution?
Well, I searched my copy of the Constitution of the United States and I couldn't find the word privacy anywhere in the document.
I also searched the Constitution and I couldn't find the word marriage either. Does that mean I don't have a right to be married — that a so-called "right to marriage" was invented by some bleeding-heart liberal judge somewhere?
The Constitution also doesn't include the right to buy products from foreigners, or to have children, or to read a book, or even to eat food to survive.
How could the Constitution have overlooked such basic human rights?
Because the Constitution isn't about what people can do; it's about what government can do.
The Constitution was created to spell out the limited rights or powers given to the federal government. And it was clearly understood that the government had no powers that weren't authorized in the Constitution.
The Bill of Rights
The original Constitution contained no Bill of Rights, because the authors believed it wasn't necessary — since the Constitution clearly enumerated the few powers the federal government was given.
However, some of the Founding Fathers thought there could be misunderstandings. So a Bill of Rights was composed — and some states ratified the Constitution only on condition that those amendments would be added to the Constitution.
Whereas the main part of the Constitution spells out the few things that government may do or must do, the ten amendments of the Bill of Rights spell out what government may not do. For example:
• The government can't search or seize your property without due process of law,
• It can't keep you in jail indefinitely without a trial,
• It can't enact laws abridging the freedom of speech or religion, or infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.
And various other prohibitions on government activity are spelled out.
The ninth and tenth amendments were included to make absolutely sure there was no misunderstanding about the limited powers the Constitution grants to the federal government.
... Amendment IX:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
... Amendment X:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Now, where's the right to privacy?
It is clearly in those two amendments.
The government has no power to tell people what to do except in areas specifically authorized in the Constitution.
That means it has no right to tell people whether or not they can engage in homosexual acts; no right to invade our privacy; no right to manage our health-care system; no right to tell us what a marriage is; no right to run our lives; no right to do anything that wasn't specifically authorized in the Constitution.
Constitutional Ignorance.
.. Pitiful : Politicians swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, and they don't even understand what it is.
But then, most of them were educated in government schools, just like the rest of us. So why should we expect them to understand the importance of limiting governmental power?
When the Constitution is discussed in schools, the focus is generally on the constitutional procedures for appointing judges, electing politicians, terms of office, and other mundane matters.
There really are only two areas of the Constitution that every American should understand and understand well:
• Article 1, Section 8 — which enumerates the areas in which Congress has the power to legislate. You'll notice that no power is given there for Congress to pass laws regulating health care or education or charities or agriculture or any of thousands of other areas in which politicians now tell us how we must act.
• The Bill of Rights — which makes it plain that the government has no authority to do anything that isn't specified in Article 1, Section 8.
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I agree with you. No rights are being infringed upon. It is simply a effort to make harder the manufacture of Meth.
The FDA has domain over all medications. They could just as easily pull the stuff from the shelves and require a Dr's written prescription.
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I also searched the Constitution and I couldn't find the word marriage either.
Marriage falls under the domain of the individual states.
That's why you didn't find it.
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kinda like taking your guns so that criminals dont have access to them either....
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Did you write that long spiel? If not, where did you pull it from? I'll let ya know later which parts of it are wrong when I have more time and when I know from whence it came.......
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Just to put in my two cents, all those drugs you mentioned earlier require a perscription. They are not regulated so that people who need to use them in the appropriate way have a harder time getting them. For reasons of either the potential for abuse, possibility of addiction, unsafe nature of the drud and/or possible reactions with other drugs, they are controlled. Now some, such as antibiotics, some of the weeker narcotic pain killers and many other perscription meds can be perscribed electronically or over the phone. A select few, including oxy and methadone, can only be perscribed with an actual paper perscription and a confirmation call.
All we are doing with these "cold medicines" is adding a tier to a system that allready has many tiers. I personally know quite a few people who abuse these medications. One is sitting in the next room and consumes two to three boxes of Coracidn HBP per week. I doubt it's for flu symptoms.
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Not trying to irritate you Water, but I don't see how this would be an infringement on your rights. The documents you are talking about are 200 years old + and have been modified and added to many times. There won't be a indication in them about 20th century pharmacology because it wasn't around then. There is no way they could have known.
As far as them "protecting" you, yes, that is what they are trying to do. Because a lot of stupid people are doing something illegal with the product, they are making it more difficult to aquire. Just like you have the specific right to bear arms, but they have a waiting period to buy one and you have a background check done when you do so. The Government has laws and regulations, unfortunately, some people do not abide by them, so the Government implements restrictions to stop those that are not abiding by them.
JMO of course.... /shrug
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Try buying some Claritin D. I had to have my driver's license scanned....I bought a box of 10 (a 5 day supply). Two weeks later, I went to buy some more due to this nagging cold, and they wouldn't sell me any....they said you're allowed one box per month, whether it's 10 tabs or 30!.
This is what bothers me about the whole thing...not so much that they keep records of my purchases. They set such a small limit. As was discussed, though, this pharmacy could have been wrong in the information given to jfanet. Let's hope so.
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The FDA has domain over all medications. They could just as easily pull the stuff from the shelves and require a Dr's written prescription.
What's really ironic is that Claritin D used to be a prescription medication. I would get 60 at a time (with refills) for the cost of my script co-pay.
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.." I'll let ya know later which parts of it are wrong .. " Oh really !
Yeah. Really.
So you're not going to answer that part either? Did you write it? If not, where did you get it?
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Try buying some Claritin D. I had to have my driver's license scanned....I bought a box of 10 (a 5 day supply). Two weeks later, I went to buy some more due to this nagging cold, and they wouldn't sell me any....they said you're allowed one box per month, whether it's 10 tabs or 30!.
This is what bothers me about the whole thing...not so much that they keep records of my purchases. They set such a small limit. As was discussed, though, this pharmacy could have been wrong in the information given to jfanet. Let's hope so.
The law does not go off the size of the box, whether it be 10 tabs or 30......it goes off of the weight of the sold amount(s) combined.
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Not if you use facts.
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Just to put in my two cents, all those drugs you mentioned earlier require a perscription. They are not regulated so that people who need to use them in the appropriate way have a harder time getting them. For reasons of either the potential for abuse, possibility of addiction, unsafe nature of the drud and/or possible reactions with other drugs, they are controlled.
Exactly.
There is a valid reason that they are controlled, just as the medications in the discussion at hand.
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The law does not go off the size of the box, whether it be 10 tabs or 30......it goes off of the weight of the sold amount(s) combined.
Not according to jfanet's pharmacy. I'm just saying, I would be ticked if they told me I could only buy 10 tabs a month. We know they were wrong, but if you were trying to buy them it would be very frustrating. That's all.
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Not according to jfanet's pharmacy.
I'm going off of what I read online as to the verbiage of the law.....I don't care what jfanent's pharmacy says.
It's called the "Combat Methamphetamine Act"
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Not trying to irritate you Water, but I don't see how this would be an infringement on your rights. The documents you are talking about are 200 years old + and have been modified and added to many times. There won't be a indication in them about 20th century pharmacology because it wasn't around then. There is no way they could have known.
As far as them "protecting" you, yes, that is what they are trying to do. Because a lot of stupid people are doing something illegal with the product, they are making it more difficult to aquire. Just like you have the specific right to bear arms, but they have a waiting period to buy one and you have a background check done when you do so. The Government has laws and regulations, unfortunately, some people do not abide by them, so the Government implements restrictions to stop those that are not abiding by them.
JMO of course.... /shrug
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Keys , your not going to irritate me: What we are discussing is subjective to me, Opinion and open to interpretation . I'm not sure where the right to bear arms got involved ? ( not me , I'm innocent this time ) .. I would submit that the 200 year old document was written by men who's wisdom I respect 10,000 times more than todays elected persons , and just as relative ! It is unfortunate that a whole profession has arisen because of Constitutional interpretation . Attorneys
I can only repeat myself : I don't want their ( the Govt. protection ) It is just my Stance on issues.. When I pay for my cold medicine no one needs to know my name unless I introduce myself.. The Pharm. dosn't have " My " permission to tract how many sinus pills I might buy .. If a pill junky wants to over dose " Knock your self out " , one less problem for society..
I'll go one further.. If I am DUMB enough not to wear a seat belt or a Helmet when riding my Harley ; thats my right too ! .. It just boils down to very different basic political beliefs.. I'm reminded of when our fearless leader was quoted as saying ( in private ) the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
I believe the " Individual is King " not the Govt... I believe the " Bill of rights " was written in an attempt to protect us from the Feds..
Once again : Am I right or wrong ? The Govt, says I'm wrong , go figure LOL ..
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You wear a seatbelt when you ride your Harley?!?   
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So are you going to bitch and moan when you're taxes are raised to help pay the medical costs of kids who overdose or people who have tramautic brain injuries due to not wearing the seat belts or wearing a helmet?
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So are you going to bitch and moan when you're taxes are raised to help pay the medical costs of kids who overdose or people who have tramautic brain injuries due to not wearing the seat belts or wearing a helmet?
Prob not since he lives in Colombia 
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Prob not since he lives in Colombia
LMAO - then what the heck is he bitching about?
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• The government can't search or seize your property without due process of law,
• It can't keep you in jail indefinitely without a trial,
• It can't enact laws abridging the freedom of speech or religion, or infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.
That's where I got the right to bear arms. So as it happens, it IS you. :P
But seriously, There are things that our forefathers didn't see happening, so they didn't include everything. It was a guide. Still is. I, personally, am for less government and more individuality. But I also run a business where if I don't explicitly state everything, people assume (you know what happens there) other things. Perception and interpretation are king nowadays.
But while you may not agree with it, the law is the law. If you do not agree with the laws, you have the ability to try to change them. That's the great part about this country. Change is inevitable, but you may not like it.
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Children & Grand children are in Country .. Not bitching , voicing an Opinion , I hope there is still a difference, them again ?
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Did you write that long spiel? If not, where did you pull it from?
I'll let ya know later which parts of it are wrong when I have more time and when I know from whence it came.......
Found it...
http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/PrivacyRight.htm
waterdawg--You do know you're supposed to provide a link or a credit to the author when cut and pasting something, right??? Or is that a violation of your constitutional rights as well?
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