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figured a thread started with the latest update would be the best way to go with this one ..
Browns waiting on Anderson
Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
02.28.2008
Twelve hours before the free agency period begins, Phil Savage says the Browns are prepared for whatever Derek Anderson decides to do.
The Browns have offered Anderson a three-year contract, and Savage said Thursday morning he believes there's a chance Anderson will sign it before midnight tonight.
If he doesn't, he'll become a restricted free agent and be able to negotiate with other teams. If that happens, Savage believes another team would "make it extremely difficult" for the Browns to match that offer and meet their offseason goal of keeping both Anderson and Brady Quinn.
"If he's willing to take the walk out there, there's got to be some indication there's something at the end of the rainbow," Savage said. "We have a pretty good strong package out there with the opportunity to play with a good group of players and a good coach.
"That would be my take on it. My natural assumption is if he were to walk away from what we have out there, there must be some sort of indication there's something out there for him.
"Our whole intention is to keep both (Anderson and Quinn). At some point we know we have to make a decision. That point could come as soon as the next few days or it could come two years from now. Who knows?"
Savage said the Browns have submitted their tender offer, ensuring the Browns would receive first and third round draft picks as compensation if Anderson signs with another team and the Browns don't match. Savage said the Browns won't be involved in any trade negotiations with potential suitors.
"We've already indicated we won't do that," Savage said. "We're not going to take less than what's on that sheet of paper.
"We value the player."
If Anderson doesn't sign elsewhere or reach a long-term deal with the Browns, he'd play 2008 with the Browns on the one-year tender.
Savage said he's asked Anderson's representatives for an answer by this evening so the Browns can finalize their plans for attacking free agency at midnight. Anderson's potential signing obviously would impact the Browns' budget going forward.
As for whether the Browns' offer would change if Anderson doesn't sign it by tonight, Savage said, "I don't think it would be off the table. I think the offer would be impacted.
"I think if Derek wants to be a Brown and really wants to stay here, he can do that rather easily. If he wants to take an opportunity to explore the possibilities out there, he can do that, too. He's earned the right to get to this point because of his play last year. I don't begrudge him if he wants to explore what's out there. We're in a good situation either way.
"It really comes down to what he wants to do."
Savage said the Browns plan to be on the phone at midnight tonight, trying to entice some free agents to visit Berea over the next couple of days. He said he doesn't anticipate any immediate signings like have happened in previous years, but the Browns hope to have visitors and possibly sign them over the weekend.
"We feel like there might be some opportunities out there the next few days that potentially can help us," he said.
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I guarantee you that if Anderson doesn't take our deal that his agents know there will be interest for him. Even though there isn't "supposed" to be tampering in the NFL, it's actually a rampant problem. His agents no doubt have put feelers out there to gauge interest. Honestly, after reading Phil's comments today, I don't think DA's coming back. He talked about how our offer was fair, that if DA leaves it's not because of us but because of him, how we still want to keep him and value him, and how, because of that, we refuse to negotiate for his asking price... all things to spin letting your starting QB enter FA and setting yourself up for what follows. Bravo Phil, extremely well played. I expect Anderson to turn down our offer a few hours before midnight, which IMO is the best thing for both us and Anderson. Looking forward to watching this develop. 
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pulled this from the other thread .. I don't feel like answering that question again on here ... *L* ..
and i said on the other thread .. I believe he ends up here either sometime this eveneing or in the next 2 weeks ....
Actually I'd prefer to call u the Rocket ... cause appearantly he MISREMEMBERED a whole lot more things than Andy did ...
Suitors for DA ..
Minni .. NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... Childress drafted the Bum they have their now .. he's going no where as of yet ...
KC .. as long as Peterson is still there Croyle will be given a shot ..
Fish .. Beck is toast .. not what the Tuna likes ... DA is exactly what he likes ... STRONG ARMED .... no way he's giving up his #1 for him .. if he can trade down with someone who has two #1's or somehow make enough trades to aquire two #1's he may trade us one of them ... but that 2nd rnd. pick this year .. pretty much a 1 ....
but IMO .. NOT A SHOT IN HELL he does .. and Yes Daman I am aware it COULE HAPPEN ...
Rats ... NOT A SHOT IN HELL ...
Chicago ... they'd have to be the leading candidates in the clubhouse .. and they've shown just enough STUPIDITY in the past at handling the QB situation that they just may do it ..
Detroit ..... Interesting .. who's their new OC .. but again .. NO WAY A FIRST ..
the Jets .. NO WAY ...
who else is there??
Skins ... NOW WAY .... Zorn has said he is commited to Jason ..
Carolina .. naaa ... they need a QB . but a bunch of other stuff to ..
Atlanta ... naa .. their going to draft Ryan ...
thats all I can think of ..
when the dust settles .. DA's gonna be a Dawg gents ... NO DOUBT ABOUT IT ...
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and i said on the other thread .. I believe he ends up here either sometime this eveneing or in the next 2 weeks ....
If DA isn't here tonight, he's not coming back.
His agents know the interest out there for him. They also know that our offer isn't going to get any better by DA sitting out in FA not getting offers if that interest isn't there. Based on what they know, I think we'll know DA's future with the team by midnight tonight. I hardly expect him to come crawling back to a lesser offer after FA seeing as how he knows what he's getting into.
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It doesn't make sense to me why Anderson would turn down $20 million with half of it guaranteed and accept $2.5 million this season.
Unless he's making a BIG gamble on his performance this year. I can see it...but why you'd risk your long-term financial security like that is beyond me. (Yes, I'm that guy who'd walk away with the money on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire rather than gamble on the question that I don't know the answer to).
I'm beginning to believe there's a wink/nod between another team and DA's agents.
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Wow, your "knowledge" of this issue is amazing. 
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We disagree on the outcome ... but i will say this .. this is definetly the BEST PROBLEM we've had in a LONG LONG TIME ...  I would LOVE to get a 1st for him ... just don't see it happening ... especially with the CRAPPIE DL FA CLASS THIS ONE IS ... we need a NT .. that is the key that will unlock the D and let it begin to take shape .. and there isn't any in FA ..  so I'd really LOVE a 1st to try and find one ... may not be the impact we need in 08 but sure would be nice to have one on the roster with a year under his belt going into 09 .. Oh Well ... One can dream can't he .. my last one (LT) took 6 years to be answered ... but i;m on a roll ... 1 IN A ROW ... *LOL* ...
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great post .. Thanks for your insightful thoughts and the way you backed up your opinions was truely amazing ... 
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this is definetly the BEST PROBLEM we've had in a LONG LONG TIME ...
Very true. There is absolutely nothing that can happen now to ruin this situation. The worst thing that can happen is that we end up with a situation that is less favorable than others... but it's still going to be a good one.
I just really happen to think Anderson's gone and Phil has been working this the whole time to drum up belief that we really value him (even though we don't even close to the extent that has been portrayed).
That's been my opinion since the second DA blew our playoff chances months ago and I'm sticking with it. I can't wait until midnight!
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Either way, we're good to go. I do like Anderson and I would like to have him here for one more year, but I'd also like a 1st and a 3rd.
My only issue becomes, if Derek leaves, getting a backup in here that can actually play if Quinn gets hurt or can't get it together.
Luckily it's Phil Savage we're talking about though -- I'm sure he's had all his bases covered for weeks if not months.
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It seems that Savage is ready to move on w/o DA.
I think DA's head at this point is too big to not test the FA market. With the lack of FA QB's, I bet there are plenty of teams ready to jump on him.
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and i said on the other thread .. I believe he ends up here either sometime this eveneing or in the next 2 weeks ....
If DA isn't here tonight, he's not coming back.
His agents know the interest out there for him. They also know that our offer isn't going to get any better by DA sitting out in FA not getting offers if that interest isn't there. Based on what they know, I think we'll know DA's future with the team by midnight tonight. I hardly expect him to come crawling back to a lesser offer after FA seeing as how he knows what he's getting into.
I don't begin to think it's as cut and dry as that.
Truth be told, I'd call David Dunn an absolute IDIOT if he DID sign our deal right now. Sure, he knows there's some interest in Anderson, but there are other factors at play here. Some team may not like their QB situation, and have one of the interim guys in their sights, guys like Todd Collins or Billy Volek. If they lose that guy, Anderson comes back into the picture. To say it's cut and dry that if Dunn doesn't take the deal he's got one elsewhere seems premature.
I'm also not buying that Savage is playing anything close to hardball with Dunn. Sure, it sounds good to say the funds MAY be reduced if he doesn't sign by the start of free agency, but he isn't going to shut the door on Anderson in that fashion. All he's really doing is putting a doubt into Dunn's mind, and covering his base just in case he finds a real free agent that he wasn't expecting to be available, and chooses to give him a big deal.
While I think it's possible that a team like the Bears may be willing to BADLY overpay to get Anderson (the 1st and a 3rd), it's not likely, so I tend to think that after a week or two Anderson will be back. Of course all it takes is 31 teams to say no and 1 team to say yes, but I think the odds are not good.
Things are moving right along.....
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Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports unrestricted free-agent QB Trent Green has been cleared to play football in 2008. During an exclusive interview with FOXSports.com, Green said he was cleared to play last week by Dr. Cantu, one of the most known neurosurgeon doctors in the country. Dr. Cantu said Green did not show any symptoms after tests taken by Cantu and said there is no reason that Green shouldn't play. Green said the reason he wants to come back is because you only have a small window of opportunity in your career and once the window closes, your career is over. Trent said his family supports his decision to return to football and said a few teams have talked to him about signing him as the No. 2 quarterback, while other teams have spoken with him about competing for the starting job. He also said he has not had any symptoms of the concussion he suffered in the 2007 season.
Case in point. Some team may view him as a potential stop-gap starter until a guy that the team wants to draft is ready. However, if Green is swiped up by someone else, that would bring Anderson back into the mix.
That's simply one viable scenario that shows how Dunn would be a fool to have Anderson sign with us right now. Dunn can make all the phone calls he wants to gauge interest, but until the market itself shakes out, the teams may not be ready to move on DA.
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My natural assumption is if he were to walk away from what we have out there, there must be some sort of indication there's something out there for him.
Am I reading that right.. is Savage saying that if Anderson doesn't accept and sign the offer in front him him, that Savage would then believe that a deal is in the works already that's better than the Browns Offer? Did I read that right?
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Is he saying that if another team wants Anderson that the Browns will NOT negotiate with them,, Not at all! Would that then mean that if some team wanted him, that they would have to give up the picks that are associated with the High Tender (1st and 3rd round picks)?
Sounds like that to me.. of course, I guess it could be smoke!
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As for whether the Browns' offer would change if Anderson doesn't sign it by tonight, Savage said, "I don't think it would be off the table. I think the offer would be impacted.
It looks like he (savage) is saying that the offer would be there later if DA doesn't sign by tonight, but that the offer WOULD be impacted... Does that mean that the offer is gonna be there, but not necessarily the SAME offer? Lower? Higher? What's it mean?
Or am I just reading it totally wrong?
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It looks like he (savage) is saying that the offer would be there later if DA doesn't sign by tonight, but that the offer WOULD be impacted... Does that mean that the offer is gonna be there, but not necessarily the SAME offer? Lower? Higher? What's it mean?
Damon, too me the word IMPACTED means the numbers might go down on the original offer, due to the fact were also trying to sign FA and if Da dosent sign, we have the right & will use some of that money for other players who have made up thier minds and committed to playing in Cleveland.
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What Savage is saying is that he believes there's at least some interest in Anderson in the restricted market if he didn't sign. That doesn't mean he EXPECTS Anderson to sign elsewhere.
To be blunt, any idiot would tell you that teams are at least interested in talking to Anderson. Who knows, maybe the Browns are blowing smoke about not wanting to talk a trade. If a team threw a package together that included a true NT, Opie would listen. He'd be a fool otherwise.
As far as "the offer would be impacted" he's covering his bases in case he signs some big-named free agents and runs low on money. Now maybe he IS making a small threat to Dunn by saying he's going to reduce the offer, but I think he'd be shooting himself in the foot. If he were REALLY posturing, he'd come out and say the offer would be severely impacted or removed completely.
Keep in mind that Savage isn't "begrudging" Anderson's ability to shop his services, therefore he can't punish him if he chooses not to sign right now. That'd be a contradiction, and Anderson can't do those things.
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I am not sure I could agree with U less my 3 - 5 legged friend ... if a team is interested in Da there going to make a commitment and go get him .. there either SOLD ON HIM or their NOT ..... its not like there plan is going to be well if we can't get Griese or Green or Cullpepper or INSERT NAME HERE ..... we can go after DA ... they know their going to be PAYING A STEEP PRICE FOR DA ... PERIOD ... best case for them is Opie gives him up for a 2nd .. but then they have to give up their 2nd and a nice long contract to DA ... Naa .. a team EITHER WANTS DA or not .. none of this he's their contigency plan .. MAKES NO SENSE .... not that it couldn't happen ..... right around the time the pigs head peeks out my ass while its waiting to grow the wings ...
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but IMO .. NOT A SHOT IN HELL he does .. and Yes Daman I am aware it COULE HAPPEN ...
I was thinking more along the lines of Dallas wanting the first pick to go after McFadden in the draft.. if they really want that (I know it's been reported but who the heck knows the truth), would they go to Parcells and work a deal where by the Phins give Dallas both thier 1st round picks for the 1st overall,,
Then Miami comes to us, gives us one of the 1st rounders they got from Dallas (wouldn't that be a hoot if we got the 22nd pick back) and a 3rd pick and we give them Anderson?
I know it could happen,, but will it and if not, why not? Too complicated maybe? Cap implications? Give me a reason why it won't...
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I'll tell ya why I think it's a possiblity (not the longshot chocolate-covered pig possible, but rather the possible-possible  )
If Anderson were on one of the lower levels of tender's, he'd be gobbled up. In this crop of sorry free agent QB's, we both know it'd happen. However, because he will cost so much, teams may be looking at cheaper alternatives. Only if they can't get a stop-gap that they really want, they may be willing to bite the bullet and overpay for Anderson.
Do I BELIEVE that's what's about to happen? I can't say that. What I DO believe is that it's a feasible scenario.
I'd imagine that you and I probably agree that the Bears are the team to watch. I can't speak for you (I guess that's exactly what I'm doing though, eh? *L*) but I can't see the Bears being SO STOOPID as to be happy going into the season by letting the winner of the Orton-Grossman battle have the job 
We'll find out within a few hours after the market opens. If Dunn KNOWS he has a deal on the open market, the contract is allready drawn and just waiting to be signed. It'll be done in a snap. If it's not done quickly, Dunn is just waiting to see how the market shakes out.
In summary, Anderson is the clear cream of this sorry crop, but because he'd cost so much, he becomes a lesser option than the rest. If those players can't be had, that brings the expensive toy back into the mix, which is what I think Dunn is hoping for.
To me, the good news is that no matter what happens, I like our odds.
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Well whatever happens, I won't be able to get back on here until tomorrow morning, so good luck to all and may the force be with us!!
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It seems that Savage is ready to move on w/o DA.
I think DA's head at this point is too big to not test the FA market.
I can tell that you have never negotiated a salary package in your own job. 
Everyone wants to find a good situation, and then to maximize their income. Football players are no different.
Just because Anderson hasn't jumped all over an offer doesn't mean that his head has "gotten too big".
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I think Savage is going about this situation very well and quite frankly I think Anderson is playing his cards right also.
If Anderson winds up back here next here thats great and I can't wait to see if he can build on last year. However I have to admit I'm a little excited to see if we can get a first and a third out of someone, restock the D-Line and maybe pick up another R.B. then see what Quinn can do.
All in all I think it's win, win right now and either way I'm confident at the quarterback position heading into next year.
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I'm trying bro ... but it still makes no sense to me ... maybe its a Blue and Gold pig as opposed to a Brown one .. DA is a COMMITMENT ... not someone U end up with cause you couldn't get your STOP GAP ... here's what I believe your trying to sell ... and I am just going to put names in the slots .... SOME team out there is going to have a priority list after putting "value" and "price" on the available QB's as follows ... 1. B. Volek ... 2. T. Green .... 3. D. Cullpeper ... 4, DA 5. B. Griese 6. D. Carr ... Sorry bro .. that makes NO SENSE AT ALL ... If U decide U would rather have Volek or Pepper over DA because of the 2nd rnder involved (affixing the lowest possible price to him i believe would be acceptable) but if U cna' tget them all of a sudden the 2nd round price becomes no problem??? sorry Bro .. give me Griese or Carr ... U either VALUE DA or not .. now the crappy FA market plays into how much value U affix to DA .. but NO WAY do U settle for one of the "free" QB's but not the others when U enter dA in .. DA is an entirely different category than the rest .. u either COMMIT to taking a run at him as your #1 option .. or u DON'T ... DA is the LEAD PIN HERE ... really nothing to play out ... hes the DOMINO that will fall first and affect all the others ..... not vice versa ...
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I mean come on Bro .. I could see the convo now ... OH NO .... Billy Volek's gone ... Sarah can u get Dunn on the phone right away ... we don't need our 2nd pick anymore ...
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Well, you tried
However, I think you're badly reaching on that 2nd round pick as something Savage would take for Anderson. If that's all it took, he'll be gone by 12:05 tonight.
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OH NO .... Billy Volek's gone ... Sarah can u get Dunn on the phone right away ... we don't need our 2nd pick anymore ...
I don't buy trying to get the "free" QBs first either.
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I said what I would do .. not Opie ... and i was trying to 'aid" your scenario along .. me affixing a 2nd rounders value to aquire DA HELPS YOUR SCENARIO ... a team having to give up a 1st makes your scenario even less plausible than it all ready is ... maybe I have a blind pig that has rose colored glasses on ...
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Because I'm bored while I get ready to go to my bro's house for dinner, I'll explain why I think it's possible that the true free agents can......not will, but can........influence Anderson's restricted market.
This crop of rookie QB's isn't stellar. After Ryan and Brohm, it's 2nd and 3rd rounders, and later. You can forget Savage taking a 2nd rounder for Anderson. He won't be dumb enough to bite on that. It'll take AT LEAST a high first, and I happen to firmly believe it when he says it'll take a 1st and a 3rd because you simply don't let a young, decent starter go at the QB position in this league. They are simply too hard to find. But, for the sake of arguement, let's call it a very high first (a 2nd? No freakin' way *L*).
A team wants to draft one of the prospect QB's like Woodson. They are willing to let a guy like Green or Collins hold the job for a year while the rook sits. Suddenly, those vets are gone and the team doesn't have another option. They realize that it'd take a 1st rounder to land a starting QB, so they go for Anderson.
In Bizarro-world where Savage is willing to dump Anderson for a 2nd (which will NEVER happen) no team would sign an old vet when they can get Anderson for a 2.
Want to know why I KNOW Savage won't take a 2nd for him? He'd have simply tendered him at that level and been done with it, just like he did Holly.
Again, I'm not saying it's probable, but rather one feasible situation where a team may be forced to bite the bullet and get Anderson. It's precisely BECAUSE of his high tender why such a situation is possible, and the entire reason I'd brought it up is to point out that Dunn would be an IDIOT to sign a deal right now when he can ride out the market for a week and see what happens. If Anderson's price was reasonable, he'd be THE #1 guy on the market, but because it's UNreasonable for a guy of his stature, he's probably not going to be the 1st QB to move.
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Case in point. Some team may view him as a potential stop-gap starter until a guy that the team wants to draft is ready. However, if Green is swiped up by someone else, that would bring Anderson back into the mix.
I can see the possibility of your scenario, but not a likelihood to a great extent. I mean, by and large, this draft class is considered quite weak at QB. I'm not sure NFL FO's see much out there as a future franchise QB. If not, they'll need a stop gap for at least this year, then, if they don't draft their QB untill next year, he'll need a year of bench time. So that's a minimum TWO years they're going to need a QB.
Look at the example Phil has set and I think it speaks volumes. Our FA signings of major investment, are not of the Trent Green variety. Not the past prime time players that leave you very little in future potential, but cost a fortune with little upside or long term pay off.
Instead, Steinbach and those younger players at the end of their first contracts are brought in. Guys that have their possible best years ahead of them. I think the rest of the NFL looks at this and sees the wisdom. IMO when you combine the weak draft class with the terrible and dire need at the QB position across the league, taking a gamble on an Anderson over an addle headed Green is a far more likely scenario.
It's really rather elementary IMO. If you are considering spending a first round pick on a weak QB draft class, why not go ahead and throw in a third rounder for a guy who just won 10 games in the NFL?
I believe that would be a VERY EASY sale to a fan base in need of a QB. A MUCH easier sale than a guy who runs into concussions like a mouse to peanut butter.
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We disagree on the outcome ... but i will say this ..
this is definetly the BEST PROBLEM we've had in a LONG LONG TIME ...
Very true. There is absolutely nothing that can happen now to ruin this situation. The worst thing that can happen is that we end up with a situation that is less favorable than others... but it's still going to be a good one.
I just really happen to think Anderson's gone and Phil has been working this the whole time to drum up belief that we really value him (even though we don't even close to the extent that has been portrayed).
That's been my opinion since the second DA blew our playoff chances months ago and I'm sticking with it. I can't wait until midnight!
I couldnt agree more,however offering him 20 mill is kinda valueing him.
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Case in point. Some team may view him as a potential stop-gap starter until a guy that the team wants to draft is ready. However, if Green is swiped up by someone else, that would bring Anderson back into the mix.
I can see the possibility of your scenario, but not a likelihood to a great extent. I mean, by and large, this draft class is considered quite weak at QB. I'm not sure NFL FO's see much out there as a future franchise QB. If not, they'll need a stop gap for at least this year, then, if they don't draft their QB untill next year, he'll need a year of bench time. So that's a minimum TWO years they're going to need a QB.
Look at the example Phil has set and I think it speaks volumes. Our FA signings of major investment, are not of the Trent Green variety. Not the past prime time players that leave you very little in future potential, but cost a fortune with little upside or long term pay off.
Instead, Steinbach and those younger players at the end of their first contracts are brought in. Guys that have their possible best years ahead of them. I think the rest of the NFL looks at this and sees the wisdom. IMO when you combine the weak draft class with the terrible and dire need at the QB position across the league, taking a gamble on an Anderson over an addle headed Green is a far more likely scenario.
It's really rather elementary IMO. If you are considering spending a first round pick on a weak QB draft class, why not go ahead and throw in a third rounder for a guy who just won 10 games in the NFL?
I believe that would be a VERY EASY sale to a fan base in need of a QB. A MUCH easier sale than a guy who runs into concussions like a mouse to peanut butter.
It's not that easy...
Anderson won 10 games by being protected by top tier O-Line, throwing to two Pro-Bowl receivers, and having a 1,300 yard rusher. Anderson has footwork, accuracy, and decision issues. Nothing to dire...but he is young, and he will get better. Had Anderson been with a team like Miami, Detriot, or the falcons...he might not have fared as well. Anderson fits very well in our system. NFL GM's see that. Anderson does not have the footwork or coordination to go to a west coast team...so count Detroit off the list.
But who's to say that it wasn't anderson who made those around him better? Braylon looked like a bust in 2006. Lewis looked out of gas with the Ravens. Shaffer looked like he was overpaid. Tucker looked too old. Maybe it was Anderson's quick delivery that made Shaffer and Tucker look better on the O-Line...and helped J. Thomas look like a HOF'er in his rookier year. Sure Stieny helped..but he's one guy.
What about Chud? Did he make Edwards catch better...Lewis run harder and quicker...Shaffer and Tucker look...well...good? Who knows. Thats why it's not really that easy.
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I couldnt agree more,however offering him 20 mill is kinda valueing him.
Sort of. It's a lot of money on the surface. However, if you believe that Anderson's a future star QB in the league, it's definitely a low end offer. We've offered DA half the length and a third of the guaranteed money that he was looking for and told him to take it or leave. The contract offer from us is a joke compared to Romo or Schaub's. Savage IMO would be fine keeping DA here, but he's making it happen on his terms. Is it a significant amount of money for a guy who started one year? Yes, which is why we look good in offering it. Is it significant enough to make DA thrilled if he signs it? I don't think so.
Make no mistake about it, if Savage really valued Anderson as much as he's been preaching when trying to a) build up his value and b) cover us if DA leaves, the years would be greater and the money would be as well.
We're... we're good?
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Good post,....I am tired of the debate. He ain't worth moaning over. He's one piece of a big puzzle that Quinn fits into nicely. I think Savage is playing it out correctly. It's win-win for the Browns,....but ONLY if Anderson performs well again in the future,...no guarantee there, just like there is none with Quinn. So,...since Quinn IS either the future, or he's trade bait because Anderson is THAT talented ??? I don't think so.
Time to say bye-bye to DA, get those two picks, and move on.
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Want to know why I KNOW Savage won't take a 2nd for him? He'd have simply tendered him at that level and been done with it, just like he did Holly.
he also came right out and said he wont take less then a 1 and 3 in his press conference this morning
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It seems that Savage is ready to move on w/o DA.
I think DA's head at this point is too big to not test the FA market.
I can tell that you have never negotiated a salary package in your own job.
Everyone wants to find a good situation, and then to maximize their income. Football players are no different.
Just because Anderson hasn't jumped all over an offer doesn't mean that his head has "gotten too big".
Sure it does...now i'm not saying that it's totally a bad thing. But his head is too big to take that offer. He wants big time, top 10-15 money...we won't offer that because he isn't the solution.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing to try and get that money...but he isn't worth it, for us at least.
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you had a good run Hank.
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Because I'm bored while I get ready to go to my bro's house for dinner, I'll explain why I think it's possible that the true free agents can......not will, but can........influence Anderson's restricted market.
All i can say is I wish your bro lived 30 - 45 mins further away from your house than he currently does .. cause then U would have left 15 mins before u posted this .. 
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A team wants to draft one of the prospect QB's like Woodson. They are willing to let a guy like Green or Collins hold the job for a year while the rook sits. Suddenly, those vets are gone and the team doesn't have another option. They realize that it'd take a 1st rounder to land a starting QB, so they go for Anderson.
Oh ... thats more plausible ..
now your asking me to believe a teams eval of Woodson is going to change based on the STOP GAP piece of JUNK they get to fit in for a year or two ...
Sorry bro .... everytime U speak U make my point for me ...
U either COMMIT TO DA or U don't .. he the LEAD DOMINO in this scenario for anyone interested in him ...
Bro .. theres an old saying that hardly ever pertains to U .. but in this case its the best advice I can give U ..
Quit while your behind .. everytime U post U fall further behind ... either that or tell Daman and Peenie and Peter Pan I said hi and best of luck to U in Never Never Land .. I am sure U are just renting ...unlike the King and his jester who are permenant residents .. FOR LIFE ...
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It's not that easy...
Anderson won 10 games by being protected by top tier O-Line, throwing to two Pro-Bowl receivers, and having a 1,300 yard rusher. Anderson has footwork, accuracy, and decision issues. Nothing to dire...but he is young, and he will get better. Had Anderson been with a team like Miami, Detriot, or the falcons...he might not have fared as well. Anderson fits very well in our system. NFL GM's see that. Anderson does not have the footwork or coordination to go to a west coast team...so count Detroit off the list.
Oh contrare. It IS just that easy!
I won't debate DA's talent or lack there of. I won't debate his supporting cast. Because you see, that has nothing to do with, well, ANYTHING!!!
Once he hits the RFA market, none of that really matters. He has a winning season in the NFL. He has a great markability based upon that alone simply due to supply and demand. Nothing more, nothing less. So let's not muddy the waters shall we?
Here's what DOES matter. Supply and demand. That's what drives any market. There's a dire need for QB's in a talent starved draft at the position. All the rest is fairly meaningless at this juncture.
That's why the points you have outlined are moot at this juncture IMO
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I had a thought, If DA is going to get an offer from another team, i hope it happens quickly. The Browns will need another quarterback- and the FA list is not exactly stellar. It would be nice to have a jump on a solid number two before they sign elsewhere. A strength of this team would suddenly become an unknown (with a bright future i hope)
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