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1) There will be an open competition for QB
2) We sign and trade him...
We aren't trading him. If he signed our offer, it was to stay with us for at least this next year. There's NO WAY the Browns will sign and trade DA. Phil will look like a freaking jerk by stabbing a player in the back.
The reason we won't trade him is that it would cost us 12 mil in salary cap space.
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I thought this deserved it's own thread Link
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We just signed our starting QB to a three year deal and people are upset? 
Yes, because we all know what kind of starting QB he is. Inconsistant, failed in the clutch and is now pushing Quinn further down the bench.
If he is indeed pushing Quinn down the bench ( I don't think that's true) wouldn't that be a good thing? I mean if he is able to beat out Quinn we will only be better.
I love how so many people put complete faith in Savage, yet when he makes a decision on the QB so many get upset. I have to put faith in him that this is the best thing for the Browns.
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In the Opie DA thread this is being discussed heavily
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Cool.
Here's the article....
Cleveland Browns quarterback Derek Anderson wasn't a free agent for long.
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Anderson has agreed to a multiyear contract to stay with the Browns, a person familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the contract had not been completed.
General manager Phil Savage believed if Anderson had gotten an offer from another team, the Browns probably wouldn't have been able to keep him.
The team had been negotiating a three-year, $20 million deal for Anderson.
The 24-year-old signed with Cleveland just hours after he became a restricted free agent.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
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Quinn is our number 2. He will get snaps plenty of snaps in preseason and training camp to show his stuff.
I agree completely. If Quinn outshines DA he will be the starter. No way do we send DA out there if Quinn is better. We are trying to win now and you don't do that with the inferior QB.
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The reason we won't trade him is that it would cost us 12 mil in salary cap space.
Haha, may be Randy is willing to eat that. Or may be we're looking to trade him to a team who has a bigtime player under contract that they're willing to trade to us! Then it could be closer to even
May be we could get like, Kevin Williams from the Vikings (depending on how long he's under). That would be great. We'd have a D-Line set. No more LB excuses, produce or get out.
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Why up the offer? Not 100% sold on Quinn? Very afraid of getting this decision wrong?
Not sure I like this. If there truly is a qb comp in camp, then it makes no difference to me. If DA is assumed the starter, then I don't like it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Will be an interesring camp for sure!
BQ and DA will come gunning for each other.
I'm sorry, I just don't see this whole thing remaining friendly.
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Do you really think that was enough time to decide there were no better offers?
A lot of things actually happen(or are in the works) right when FA hits..
I'd say he had time..
It does tell me there was wasn't a stampede or a overload on the cell phone.
There could be other others but maybe for not a 1st or third..
Now his contract is trade friendly so keep that in mind.
Also, Savage has reportedly raised the offer to 12 mil guaranteed. If there was no intrest do you really think he would have done this?
Opie did that yesterday...before that happened he said he really wasn't certain if DA had any solid offers..the upping the guaranteed money is to bait DA first and foremost..and make it look like to other teams they're serious about resigning him..no effort to resign him makes his value(as a player) look even more diminished..
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AP is reporting it is a very FRIENDLY contract...hmmmmmmmmmmm
If we trade him we need to include Peen and Damanshot cause we ain't never gonna hear the end of it...lmao....
JK....we are probably going to keep him.
In the end Savage wants to make the best decision on the qb issue he can, and right now there are still unanswered questions.
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Wow. Well, I feel secure about the QB situation.
But who or what does Phil trade to get us at least one day-one pick? I'm looking your way Andra Davis . . .
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We just signed our starting QB to a three year deal and people are upset?
Yes, because we all know what kind of starting QB he is. Inconsistant, failed in the clutch and is now pushing Quinn further down the bench.
If he is indeed pushing Quinn down the bench ( I don't think that's true) wouldn't that be a good thing? I mean if he is able to beat out Quinn we will only be better.
I love how so many people put complete faith in Savage, yet when he makes a decision on the QB so many get upset. I have to put faith in him that this is the best thing for the Browns.
Very well said Pdawg
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Dude ... your comparing to apples to oranges ... I mean its a NO BRAINER ... here's a few points .. 1. DA's agents have HAD WAY LONGER than 10 hours to gauge interest .. WAY WAY LONGER .. if U think they waited last night till midnight to start gauging interest I gotta talk to u about some land I own in the everglades .. or if bridges interest U more I have in NY and one in Frisco that may catch your fancy ...  2. ON the Apples to Oranges thing ... if their was interest in DA he would be looking at 6 or 7 years at say about what Schuabb got ... around 48 mill total with I believe about 18 mill gauranteed .. and a NICE CHUNK OF THAT paid immediately in a SB .. that would be the APPLE .... now the ORANGE is a 3 year deal worth a total of 24 with 12 mill gauranteed .. You'd have to be a MORON not to wait and see how the Apple (6 year deal) pans put before u bite the orange .... especially when the orange has told U that we will continue to ripen and WAIT FOR U if u want to wait for the apple .. Capiche??? 3. For people that were delisional enough to believe that DA would garner us a 1st and/or a 3rd they are of course dissapointed we signed our starting QB ... cause he has MAJOR FLAWS and we have someone sitting in the wings that may be the starter even with the guy we just signed still here .. that amazing part to me is that U dont understand this .. now go eat a grapefruit ... 
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ANDERSON STAYS PUT Posted by Mike Florio on February 29, 2008, 10:24 a.m. Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Browns have agreed to terms with quarterback Derek Anderson on a three-year deal. Schefter reports that Anderson will receive over $14 million in guaranteed money. The three-year contract gives the Browns an opportunity to defer the ultimate decision in the Derek v. Brady debate. It also allows the Browns to bench Anderson if he tanks as the starter; with a six-year, big-money deal, the Browns as a practical matter would have been required to give Anderson more opportunities. The loser in all of this is Brady Quinn, and it traces to his 2007 holdout. If he had reported to camp on time, he likely would have been first in line to play after Charlie Frye. Also, because Quinn’s incentives are tied heavily to playing time, his chances of earning big money have now dropped dramatically. http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/29/anderson-stays-put/
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Wow. Well, I feel secure about the QB situation.
But who or what does Phil trade to get us at least one day-one pick? I'm looking your way Andra Davis . . .
No way Andra Davis nets us a first day pick
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In the Opie DA thread this is being discussed heavily
I know...but it's four pages long already...why not just discuss it in a new thread dedicated to this subject
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Wow. Well, I feel secure about the QB situation.
But who or what does Phil trade to get us at least one day-one pick? I'm looking your way Andra Davis . . .
No way Andra Davis nets us a first day pick
4th rounder AT BEST!!!
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Tennessee free-agent defensive end Travis LaBoy is visiting Cleveland.
Anyone know anything about this kid?! Never heard of him, I'm assuming he'd be outside LB'er.
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Why would we trade Andra Davis? He is OUR Teddy Bruschi... I'm sorry, but he is not done here yet.
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Why would we trade Andra Davis? He is OUR Teddy Bruschi... I'm sorry, but he is not done here yet.
Yeah, if Teddy Bruschi got outrun by QBs.
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Don't get locked in on Davis..
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Why would we trade Andra Davis? He is OUR Teddy Bruschi... I'm sorry, but he is not done here yet.
Andra Davis is not Teddy Bruschi...that is such an insult to Bruschi.
Andra Davis is a below average LB that has gotten way too much love from Cleveland fans for wayyyy too long.
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Why would we trade Andra Davis? He is OUR Teddy Bruschi... I'm sorry, but he is not done here yet.
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I normally agree with most everything Phil does......but I think this was a big mistake. We didn't have to give DA an extension now. We should have let him walk for a 1st and 3rd pick OR play him under the 1-year tender. Both of those situations benefit us more than giving him an extension now. And like someone pointed out in another thread, we CAN'T trade him now due to a hit on the salary cap. Wrong. 
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It will be an ugly QB competitiion.
If there was a shred of friendship between these guys it'll be gone come July.
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Personally I'm getting sick of these QB competitions every stinkin' year going into camp. But here we have another one...
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Signing him was the best thing for the Browns all things considered ..
1. We weren't going to get a 1st for him .. the fact he signed with us is proof enough ... see appleas and oranges ...
2. we were basically negotiating against ourselves .. he was either going to sign the 3 year deal GIVING us COMPENSATION in return if he leaves in a year or two ... OR he was going to be tendered witch meant next eyar he could leave and we get squadoosh or we'd have to franchise him ..
ALL THINGS considered its VERY SIMPLE why we signed him ... Oh and we do get to see how the QB situation pans out before making a decision ...
I didnt see it coming ... but it was a VERY SMART thing to do all things considered ..
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Tennessee free-agent defensive end Travis LaBoy is visiting Cleveland.
Anyone know anything about this kid?! Never heard of him, I'm assuming he'd be outside LB'er.
260 LBS, 6 sacks last season, 4 years in the NFL. He's 26.
Played at U Hawaii (may be some of those Hawaii guys can give us info from there)
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we CAN'T trade him now due to a hit on the salary cap.
WHAT HIT???????????????????????
We need to see the Signing Bonus....
Guaranteed money in a contract DOES NOT hit your cap if the dude's traded...
The SIGNING BONUS DOES...
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I normally agree with most everything Phil does......but I think this was a big mistake.
We didn't have to give DA an extension now. We should have let him walk for a 1st and 3rd pick OR play him under the 1-year tender. Both of those situations benefit us more than giving him an extension now.
And like someone pointed out in another thread, we CAN'T trade him now due to a hit on the salary cap.
Wrong.
I agree...my first reaction to hearing it was a tirade of profanity...Now I like DA, but like you say...letting him walk put us in a much better position...especially after trading our 2nd rd pick for Corey Williams...if we could've gotten a 1st and 3rd this year...we could've really made a case for the best team in the AFC...PERIOD.
But there are worse things that could've happened...so...welcome back DA...better work on that accuracy
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I don't believe there was taker out there willing to give a 1st and 3rd.
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I think he's expendable at the moment and still valuable.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE getting Corey Williams, and I don't mind getting Anderson back and look forward to seeing if he can overcome his inconsistencies. That said, at this point we have no day one picks and I don't like that at all.
I don't want to change the subject of this thread, but getting back Anderson does raise the question of HOW do we get a day one pick. I'd love to hear what everybody thinks might happen. I think Savage will do it, but I'm wondering how.
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I normally agree with most everything Phil does......but I think this was a big mistake.
We didn't have to give DA an extension now. We should have let him walk for a 1st and 3rd pick OR play him under the 1-year tender. Both of those situations benefit us more than giving him an extension now.
And like someone pointed out in another thread, we CAN'T trade him now due to a hit on the salary cap.
Wrong.
I agree...my first reaction to hearing it was a tirade of profanity...Now I like DA, but like you say...letting him walk put us in a much better position...especially after trading our 2nd rd pick for Corey Williams...if we could've gotten a 1st and 3rd this year...we could've really made a case for the best team in the AFC...PERIOD.
But there are worse things that could've happened...so...welcome back DA...better work on that accuracy
My thoughts exactly to a "T"
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Punch: From the PD Savage said Thursday that the Browns could win with either Quinn or Anderson. The signing does not preclude the Browns from trading Anderson before the draft. They are still without a No. 1 pick because they used it last season to move up to select Quinn obvioulsly someone (besides me) disagrees with you 
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So instead of replenishing our missing first round pick, we now don't have a SINGLE day one pick. Way to drop the ball Phil. I have a feeling this one is going to hang over our heads for a long, long time.
We're... we're good?
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So instead of replenishing our missing first round pick, we now don't have a SINGLE day one pick. Way to drop the ball Phil. I have a feeling this one is going to hang over our heads for a long, long time.
Don't we still have a 3rd?
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So instead of replenishing our missing first round pick, we now don't have a SINGLE day one pick. Way to drop the ball Phil. I have a feeling this one is going to hang over our heads for a long, long time.
Waaay too early in the game for throwing in the towel for me.
Having said that. What will they do?
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