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I've heard otherwise but whatever you say... so DA isn't worth a first round pick but he IS worth $14m in guaranteed money to us?
Well ya ... *LOL* ..
if u have any common sense TRY USING IT ... I'll say it one last time ... and i am not sure why as I am sure you'll just ignore it again .. *LOL* ..
IF soemone was willing to give up a 1st rnd pick ... WHY WOULD DA'S AGENT NOT EXPLORE IT FOR ALOT MORE MONEY???? .. Imean after all if U HEARD IT I am SURE DA'S AGENT DID TO .. 
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Diam is right on. How is this a bad thing? It's obvious to me that no team was willing to give up what it would take to sign DA.
Then why did we have to sign him to an extension?
Because if we just tendered him he could walk away as an UFA after this season and we would receive no compensation. Now we can get something in return for DA if/when we decide Quinn is the guy.
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I hear Carolina is very interested. Maybe a sign and trade?
The Gurus of this board say that it can't and won't happen.. I got my butt chewed out by several posters on here because I mentioned that it's possible....
Funny, your the second person to say something about it so far today... 
Honestly, I don't think that's what they had in mind, my only thought was that it's merely possible....
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Would you rather have a quarterback controversy between two good quarterbacks or no controversy because we have no good quarterbacks. As far as we know Quinn is the next Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning. We don't know yet and this is a way of making sure we don't make a mistake. It really isn't that complicated.
I don't see why people are upset about this. WE HAVE 2 GOOD QB's,,whats the friken problem? Furthermore, one of them proved he can play. Remember how everyone was screaming b/c they wanted Tim Couch to sit, and instead he got thrown to the wolves so to speak? Well Quinn won't get shafted like that and will be developed the right way.
Plus we gave up a 2nd rounder to acquire another PROVEN player. Draft picks are fun and nice but in the end they are a crap shoot. You don't know for sure what your gonna get (See Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, William Green). This draft class is weak and we just helped the team succeed this year.
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Face it, DA is our QB.
And we know what he can/can't do.
Do we, now? 24yo with one full season under his belt, made the pro bowl. He just may improve on his inconsistencies. Phil has said all along he wants to keep him.
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This is from Grossi, so beware and take it for what it's worth,,,, Quote:
Is there more to Cleveland Browns deal with QB Derek Anderson?
Posted by Tony Grossi, Plain Dealer Reporter February 29, 2008 10:57AM
Do the Browns have a trade in the works for Derek Anderson?
That's the obvious question after reports that the quarterback agreed to terms this morning to a three-year deal.
Less than 12 hours earlier, Browns GM Phil Savage said he would not raise the club's offer of $20 million with $10 million in guarantees. Then the Columbus Dispatch reported the Browns upped the offer to about $24 million with $12 million in guarantees.
Savage also said the Browns would not trade Anderson for less than first- and third-round picks. But given the apparent change in contract offers, it's possible Savage could change his mind on a trade, too.
The Browns are presently without picks in the first and second rounds of the draft after they swapped their second-round pick to Green Bay for franchise defensive tackle Corey Williams. The first went last year to Dallas to move up and select Brady Quinn.
So now the Browns have a quarterback controversy, a defensive tackle and no picks in the first and second rounds.
There's got to be more to this.
Again, its a "for what it's worth" kinda read....
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Quinn may think he can beat him, but he might not get a fair chance. Someone in the Front Office wanted DA to stay badly. Quinn is essentially a rookie and fighting behind a guy who went to the Pro Bowl....and just got a "big" extension. There's no way its an equal competition.
The Front Office would look like fools if Quinn beat out DA in the preseason after giving DA all that cash. Face it, DA is our QB.
A three year deal doesn't make DA our QB. It just gives us options. No way will DA start if there is any measureable difference between the two.
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No we don't. He has started for only one year. His biggest problem is with the shorter passes. That can improve. He makes some very bad decsions, but he also makes some very good ones. His footwork needs work (so I'm told by knowledgeable people) but it isn't a certainty that it can't. He played like crap last year in training camp or he would have been the starter out of the gate. He improved considerably since then. I wouldn't bet that he will be a top flite QB but I'm not willing to completely count him out either.
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U didnt get your butt chewed out .. i said there WAS NO SHOT IN HELL and merely pointed out the STUPIDITY in your logic ... and i only did that cause the logic u used was STUPID ... *LOL* ..
50 people could say it .. STILL NOT A SHOT IN HELL IT HAPPENS ... why?? BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE .....
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12-14 million guaranteed is not a trade friendly contract UHHH..the team making the trade picks up the contract.since its been signed..   Nor does that hit their cap in the first year.. 
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We signed him to an extension so that we could at least get something for him next year if we decide to go with Quinn. If we just tendered him, he would become a UFA and be free to walk for nothing. Now, the quandary is, if we decide to go with Quinn, it will probably be because DA didn't meet expectations and therefor probably won't garner much in a trade. But I guess Phil is confident he'll play well enough to keep some people interested but not well-enough to commit to him as our long-term answer. Ugh! the whole thing is just asinine in that we have to keep waiting to see who we're gonna end up with in the end. I'm all for competition to see who's better and I guess we'll get that chance now in camp, but I really hate how we're afraid to commit to one guy over the other. If Savage was willing to let DA walk and commit to Quinn, then he should have just done it and start moving in that direction. But that's JMHO.
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Punch, the following if just for your reading pleasure,,,, take it for what it's worth,, it's from Grossi! Quote:
Is there more to Cleveland Browns deal with QB Derek Anderson?
Posted by Tony Grossi, Plain Dealer Reporter February 29, 2008 10:57AM
Do the Browns have a trade in the works for Derek Anderson?
That's the obvious question after reports that the quarterback agreed to terms this morning to a three-year deal.
Less than 12 hours earlier, Browns GM Phil Savage said he would not raise the club's offer of $20 million with $10 million in guarantees. Then the Columbus Dispatch reported the Browns upped the offer to about $24 million with $12 million in guarantees.
Savage also said the Browns would not trade Anderson for less than first- and third-round picks. But given the apparent change in contract offers, it's possible Savage could change his mind on a trade, too.
The Browns are presently without picks in the first and second rounds of the draft after they swapped their second-round pick to Green Bay for franchise defensive tackle Corey Williams. The first went last year to Dallas to move up and select Brady Quinn.
So now the Browns have a quarterback controversy, a defensive tackle and no picks in the first and second rounds.
There's got to be more to this.
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....and just got a "big" extension. There's no way its an equal competition.
The Front Office would look like fools if Quinn beat out DA in the preseason after giving DA all that cash. Face it, DA is our QB.
How in the world is 3 YRS. a "big" extension.
Just from what I have read so far, most of the money is tied up in either his "signing Bonus" or the "12 to 14 million garunteed". that means the remaining money is ONLY his if he remains for the FULL THREE YRS.
Yes, for one yr. 12 or 14 million is damn good money, but if he is traded after this yr. or doesn't beat our Quinn for the starters role, I don't think he sees all that money, at least from us. Let's what and see the details 1st. Initial reports are that this is a VERY TEAM FRIENDLY contract.
My personnal opinion is that Phil locked up DA for this yr. and made the contract decent enough that we can still trade him NEXT yr. if he doesn't EARN the starters role this yr. If no one is willing to give up much NEXT yr. we have a back-up QB making decent money, but not high end money.
I hope that made a little sense 
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1st Round: Brady Quinn, QB
2nd Round: Corey Williams, DL
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Depth is a good thing and especially at QB. Just last year prior to pre-season, many of the prognosticators had our QB situation rated dead last in the league. It appears that that will change this year.
Now I believe our Oline improvements make DA a better QB, having him for AT LEAST another year is not a bad thing. I think it's funny how many people on this board lash out at Savage saying what the hell does he think he's doing? No day one picks is not a good move. You seem to forget that last year he worked two FIRST ROUND elite picks. Trust people, trust.
Now on a different topic, and not being a Packer fan, I don't know much about Williams, but I do know they had a great defensive line. He did say that the Defensive line was a priority this off season and he sure isn't going to announce his plans to the media. I have faith that Savage has a plan.
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*LOL* ... i guess he can't handle the truth ... 
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1st Round: Brady Quinn, QB
2nd Round: Corey Williams, DL
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But we don't have any day one picks!!!
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That seems to be written before he signed (or agreed ). That makes a big difference
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Diam is right on. How is this a bad thing? It's obvious to me that no team was willing to give up what it would take to sign DA.
Then why did we have to sign him to an extension?
Because if we just tendered him he could walk away as an RFA after this season and we would receive no compensation. Now we can get something in return for DA if/when we decide Quinn is the guy.
I think you meant to say he'd be an URFA. No matter. I get what you're saying though........but I'd be ok with taking that risk because we could still slap him with the franchise tag or sign him to a HUGE deal ourselves. That would only happen if DA cleaned up his act and PROVED he's worth that kind of contract (which he didn't prove yet). As of now, I don't think this contract was smart.
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Haha, yeah, I meant UFA. So used to typing RFA in regards to DA it has become a habit!! I went back and fixed my original post.
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1st Round: Brady Quinn, QB
2nd Round: Corey Williams, DL
Grade: A+
How do we get an A+ for taking a QB in the first round when we apparently already have a proven starter who just inked a 3-year $24 million extension?
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now we have TOTAL CONTROL over where he goes and we will get sumptin in return after BQ buries him ..
Diam..."control"...that is the key word concerning DA contract.
This contract was as much about the "control" over the Andereson's future as it was about the money.
I want to see the deal signed and announced by the Browns before I'm convinced it's a done deal.
I'm not convinced that there may not be more to come though....at a later date.
Will the contract have a no trade clause for this year?....
As I said some time ago...anything can happen...and that may still be the case.
I'm happy with whatever Savage has in mind. Having two starting caliber QBs is better than having one. It's been a long time since the Browns have had this kind of talent on our offensive roster.
Now Savage is going to work on the defense...
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If you look at it from last year's perspective it makes tons of sense.
Most thought DA wouldn't make the team, let alone win 10? games..........
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Grossi is just looking to make some noise. He doesn't understand that trading him after we sign him hurts our cap. If we were going to trade him, we could have just worked out a deal with another team and trade him......why would we want to have a salary cap hit for a contract only a day old (or when ever we trade him before this years draft)?
A sign and trade hurts us. A trade helps us.
And to you NC, thanks for helping. It makes me feel a little better.....but I still feel like we bluffed ourselves into this contract.
I think it sends a bad message to everyone. A 1-yr tender would have made the situation so much easier.
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How in the world is 3 YRS. a "big" extension.
Agreed, especially when one of the years might be uncapped.
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This contract was as much about the "control" over the Andereson's future as it was about the money.
That about sums it up I think. 5 or so posts of me trying to say what you pretty much summed up in one sentence. 
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LOL! Yeah, and last year people we're trying to look at it from THIS YEAR'S perspective saying "We got our franchise QB a year early!" Look, it is what it is. We have two potentially great QBs but only one can stay. Let the best man win, I guess. But as for the other positions of need, like say, the Defense, we have no early draft picks to continue building our team. Unless Phil pulls the trigger and trades next year's #1 to move up this year. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all pans out.
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He doesn't understand that trading him after we sign him hurts our cap. If we were going to trade him, we could have just worked out a deal with another team and trade him......why would we want to have a salary cap hit for a contract only a day old (or when ever we trade him before this years draft)?
How do you know we were going to use 100% of our cap space this year? It's not 2002 any more.
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Sign & trade......Sign & keep....Sign for year Trade after this year.....Sign & trade for known players, sign & trade for day one picks, sign & trade for players picks & money........I've learned one thing ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH PHIL 
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Great ! ....so now we reportedly increased our offer  ....IMHO a trade had better be in the works....Anderson shows us No Respect and turn around and given him more $$ ? !  ....It's clear that someone will come out of this scenario looking like a Genius and someone like a Goof....I just hope that Mr. Savage doesn't set a pattern of rewarding those who disrespect the franchise ....
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This is what I call a safety net move. The Browns had a breakout year and giving up on the QB who lead your team to 10 wins just did not make sense.
The three year deal was essential, because of Quinn.
The guarenteed money was essential for Anderson because of the 3 year deal. Good for him.
Meanwhile, I just don't understand those who keep ragging on Quinn's arm or accuracy. There has been nothing, aside from last years pre-draft fodder, as part of the top 10 pick selection criteria, that would suggest that Quinn does not have the arm or accuracy to play in the NFL.
I expect a tough competiton in training camp, and would not be surprised if Quinn was the opening day starter.
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True. How about this, if DA is traded before the start of this season, I will print this post and eat my words. There's no way he's getting traded now. ....even though its still "possible" ( for you Daman....  )
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lol...
I guess Quinn is AGAIN one play away from getting PT.
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Great ! ....so now we reportedly increased our offer ....IMHO a trade had better be in the works....Anderson shows us No Respect and turn around and given him more $$ ? ! ....It's clear that someone will come out of this scenario looking like a Genius and someone like a Goof....I just hope that Mr. Savage doesn't set a pattern of rewarding those who disrespect the franchise ....
Show's us no respect? Come on.
Business is business.
I think the money is a bit on the high side but I'm not exactly shocked here.
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Might there be a partner out there who's thinking that whatever the Browns sign him for will be cheaper than what they'd negotiate as an FA with him
and now that a contract has been reached a trade of some sort occur?
I was thinking this Mutt. Kind of a I scratch your back you scratch mine kind of thing. A team might be willing to give up a #1 but possibly was not too fond of giving him a 6-7 year deal.
Either way I'm happy. Having two capable QB's on what may be a playoff team is a perfect situation. Our season doesn't end if we lose one guy, something very few teams can say.
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As was discussed by some a week or so ago, Anderson under a three-year could be more tradeable. A team knows exactly what he's to be paid for the next three years.
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Who ?...How ?....When?...
DA... happy with what he got...And Seems like a guy who wants to play for this team..
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Grossi is just looking to make some noise. He doesn't understand that trading him after we sign him hurts our cap. If we were going to trade him, we could have just worked out a deal with another team and trade him......why would we want to have a salary cap hit for a contract only a day old (or when ever we trade him before this years draft)?
A sign and trade hurts us. A trade helps us.
And to you NC, thanks for helping. It makes me feel a little better.....but I still feel like we bluffed ourselves into this contract.
I think it sends a bad message to everyone. A 1-yr tender would have made the situation so much easier.
Sounds like a lot are confusing "Guaranteed Money" with "Signing Bonus". If there is no signing bonus, there is no accelerated hit to our cap if we trade him.
If a team trades for him, they are on the hook for the guaranteed money, roster bonus, etc.
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Disrespect? The guy was 10-5 and made the pro bowl. Anybody in those shoes would want a decent contract.
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Yes....10-5....29 TD's......"disrespect" us all you want DA.
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