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OK just some food for thought and discussion. Diam go take a blood pressure pill before responding  What would everybody's thoughts be on trading Brady Quinn before the draft, and what would you feel comfy with as compensation?
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Say we trade Quinn before the draft and then Anderson gets hurt in camp? I am more then fine with keeping both of these guys for as long as we can. I don't understand why anyone would want to trade either of these guys? We have been starving for good play out of the QB position for a LONG time and now we have it. Why do anything else at this point other then keep them both??
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I would not like that much at all to be honest.. I like what DA accomplished last season, and dispite what some others think, I believe he can improve still... he certainly has the talent around him.
But for now, DA improving is just a guess.. I'd not want Quinn going anywhere until it's fact..
But playing devils advocate here, I'd say I want nothing less than a 1st rounder and a 2nd or 3rd rounder.. (not sure how realistic that is to be honest) or maybe something next season in the draft or a player we really need on D.
Let me repeat however, I don't want Quinn going anywhere.. What little I've seen of him is telling me that he could be a star with the talent on this Offense. JMO however.
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Draft day DA is moved for a switch of this years first round pick of the other team for our first round pick in 2009...we also get a third rounder for next year.
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I was thinking about the Browns perhaps trading BQ rather than DA.
I think the fact that his contract is friendly, combined w/this year's QB class being weak and next year's even weaker, teams might be willing to give up quite a bit for BQ. He might be the one who could get us back in the first round.
I would rather we trade BQ than DA right now, but in the end, I still think it would be wise to keep both QBs for at least another year. Let's see which one actually wins the job and then make our decision.
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Don't desire to see him traded unless someone gives us two first rounders and a 2nd.....and then I would have to ponder it for awhile. Hey, you asked........  The value is in keeping both of them on the squad. The potential compensation that could be garnished from a deal could not possibly equal the worth of having them both on the team.
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I like having 2 decent QBs that can run the system. I like it a lot. I'm gonna like it even more when we add another WR. However, in the off chance that it might happen (and I really, really doubt it will) it would take at least a #1 and a #3 for me to be accepting if not actually comfy.
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I like having 2 decent QBs that can run the system. I like it a lot. I'm gonna like it even more when we add another WR. However, in the off chance that it might happen (and I really, really doubt it will) it would take at least a #1 and a #3 for me to be accepting if not actually comfy.
I totally agree, even though the Pats, Giant, Colts, etc may have better starting QBs if any of them gets hurt then so goes the season, not so with us having both being capable of starting (my opinion). Think of the alternative if we trade Brady, #2 becomes Dorsey (if he sticks around) or one of the FA pieces of chum.
Why downgrade your QB position for, well anything?
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Especially given the current class of FA "veterans". 
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The value is in keeping both of them on the squad. The potential compensation that could be garnished from a deal could not possibly equal the worth of having them both on the team.
That is really the best way I have seen it put in the last 24 hours......clear, concise and 100% absolutely the truth
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Absolutely not. The Browns are in a very good situation right now with two good QB's on their roster,something a lot of other NFL teams only wish they could have.
To tell you quite frankly, I am already pretty sick and tired of hearing everybody and their mother wanting either DA or Quinn traded. They really don't understand football if that's all these fans can come up with. If we did trade either one of them and the one we traded turns out to be a super star for somebody else,we would see a "Why did we trade him???" thread.Unfortunately,that would be the mentality of some of the people here.
Let's just enjoy the fact we got two good QB's on our team and not whine about how some of us want one or the other guy out of here.
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Last night I thought a trade might occur. After seeing that Phil said they weren't trading DA, period, I don't see it happening.
Although as I told ddubia in one of these threads nothing would really surprise me this weekend.
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Last night I thought a trade might occur. After seeing that Phil said they weren't trading DA, period, I don't see it happening.
Although as I told ddubia in one of these threads nothing would really surprise me this weekend.
Savage has definitively displayed the willingness to do just about ANYTHING for sure...
Even to MY Know-It-All Ass...Nothing would surprise me...
Including tapping into the 2009 draft to get what we want... 
I gotta say...It's awfully COOL to have a GM that can not only pull this stuff off...But to even THINK about it...
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No way in hell do we trade Quinn. If we do, I'd lose some respect for Savage. The compensation would have to be pretty big, since we lost a lot to get him.
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I don't want to trade BQ.
I've said all along that DA will not be on the team beyond draft day. That's my storry and I'm sticking to it. HOWEVER, if we keep fixing our problems at our current rate, then maybe we keep them both. Which would be fine.
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OK just some food for thought and discussion. Diam go take a blood pressure pill before responding What would everybody's thoughts be on trading Brady Quinn before the draft, and what would you feel comfy with as compensation?
That would be real great!!! That way if DA sprains an ankle we'd have Dorsey to back him up!
Quinn got picked up 22nd in the first round. Teams that would have traded for him I'm sure would bring that up. Who out there in the late first round would you trade for? Nobody I know.
Besides, except for Chris Long who is worthy of Quinn?
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Would be absolutely dumb to move Quinn. For more than one reason.
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What?... If anyone goes it should be DA. We don't know how good Quinn is BUT our glimpses of him in 07 were enough for me to consider him the better QB. I think DA is a step above the blind squirrel and a nut theory, but not a long term starter here. BTW, your headline sucks... 
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We don't know how good Quinn is BUT our glimpses of him in 07 were enough for me to consider him the better QB.
Enough for you to consider him the better QB. What was he? 3 for 8 for 45 yards?
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What are you going to do with your Quinn jersey GM ?....*L*... I would`nt want to see that trade happen....Trading Quinn before we really got to see him play....That would drive me crazy..... This is a what "ifs"....We trade him and he becomes a really good QB....And DA busts.... Or we trade him and he becomes a bust.....Don`t like these Questions GM...your starting trouble buddy  I like what we have now...for now....I have the patience for one more season  I just think DA and BQ are a good fit....And besides who would we take with the # 1....That would justify losing 2 good QB`s ?
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Enough for you to consider him the better QB. What was he? 3 for 8 for 45 yards?
"Eight passes was all I needed to see."
To be fair, Brady had two or three passes hit WR or TE in the hands only to be dropped, including a TD.
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Last night I thought a trade might occur. After seeing that Phil said they weren't trading DA, period, I don't see it happening.
I had the same feeling after the signing last night... that it was possible. But then after what Phil was saying and what Anderson was quoted at saying (both on the main site), I got the feeling that he's here to stay and compete for the Starters job..
But then again, Phil did say on Thursday that he would NOT up the offer to DA... and reports are the he did indeed do that.. I'm having some issues reconciling that..
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given that phil has stated that this years class doesn't have much to offer unless its a high 1st rounder, quinn will be a brown in '08. trading him will not get us anything to help with this year, so we can continue to build with the draft in '09.
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If we trade Quinn at any point this season... you will read about me because I will be one of the rare 28 year-olds that have a heart attack.
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given that phil has stated that this years class doesn't have much to offer unless its a high 1st rounder,
Where did he say that.. I must of have missed it...Sorry!
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I avoid the whole QB deadbate, but this is an interesting hypothetical.
I agree with Phil, having two QB's we are extremely comfortable with running our offense is very important, and almost a necessity these days. So IF we traded him I wouldn't be thrilled about it unless we received a 1st this year and at minimum a conditional 2nd in 2009. It could become a 1st if he hit certain thresholds in playing time, stats, etc. I would prefer an additional pick this year, either another fourth or a third.
I also think Phil would have to get a bulletproof vest in the deal, and/or 24-hour protecion, because Diam (and others) would go on a murder-suicide rampage.
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i don't see that happening....
i think the plan all along, is just what phil said it was...
keep them both for 2008....make sure you make a good evaluation of da....
da starting will cost quinn money...thats cash we save for the remainder of quinns contract....no matter what happens...
if anderson is just average...we go to quinn.....
the only way we really lose, is if da stinks it up totally from the get go....then we go to quinn, and we've wasted some cash on da...
but da's contract makes him very tradable at the end of 2008....2 years left....minimal cap hit (since it will be on us) somebody will want him, and possibly give alittle higher pick, than they would of because of the cap savings...
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Where did he say that.. I must of have missed it...Sorry!
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i think trading Quinn before the '08 draft would be idiotic. And will not happen. Savage said he wanted both guys, he signed DA and for '08 its a done deal. The real problem is '09 and beyond. If DA plays well, he will be the starter of the future. Pretty sure that isn't going to make Quinn very happy, can't imagine he is to happy about the recent developments with DA's contract. I think the status quo can be maintained for 1 more year, after that something has got to give and either Quinn or Anderson will be moved.
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To be fair, Brady had two or three passes hit WR or TE in the hands only to be dropped, including a TD.
To be fair as well, Brady could have gone 8 for 8 with a TD and it is still not enough to make a decision, that could impact this franchise for years to come, on.
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The fact that DA only got a 3 year deal means that they aren't sold 100% on him. If they were then they would have locked him up for a longer period of time. This just gives them the time to make sure they make the right decision. Trading Quinn would be in effect the same as letting DA leave. You don't know which is the best for the long term so you keep both until you do.
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Yeah, like I said, I probably just missed it. Thanks Choco
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To be fair as well, Brady could have gone 8 for 8 with a TD and it is still not enough to make a decision, that could impact this franchise for years to come, on.
... and THAT leads to a question that I've been mulling since the whole DA drama began: how are we going to get to the point where we know what we've really got in BQ? Yes, you can see how he works in practice, how he prepares week-to-week and even how he plays in the pre-season. However, you can only learn so much about a guy that way. At some point, I think you have to get BQ playing time in games that count, against the best the opposition can throw at him, before you can make an accurate assessment of his ability to play QB in the NFL. So, how do we accomplish that?
Obviously, if DA doesn't develop his game and falls flat on his face, BQ will get his shot. Likewise, God forbid, if DA get injured, we'll get a good look at BQ. The other no-brainer possibility is that DA continues to grow and "studs" out. Then, it's bye-bye BQ after a year, maybe two and the Browns have their guy.
However, consider a scenrio where DA plays OK, doesn't make too many mistakes, but doesn't light it up either. Do you give BQ a look then? What if the Browns are .500 or better? We've talked a lot about the risk in letting DA go with an unproven BQ the only other option at QB. What about the opposite scenario: the risk of letting BQ go and watching him become a stud for another team? How do we avoid THIS potential mistake?
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Geez, you ask for thoughts on a hypothetical and people still get up in arms. NO WAY DO WE TRADE HIM!!!! lol To answer your hypo: I'd want about what Batdawg said: a first in 2008, then a conditional in '09, maybe a 1st next year if BQ hits certain incentives with his new team or something.
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To be fair as well, Brady could have gone 8 for 8 with a TD and it is still not enough to make a decision, that could impact this franchise for years to come, on.
Oh, I completeley agree, your barking up the wrong tree here. I just don't like people using that 1 drives stats & percentage against the young man either. He played better than that completion percentage
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Trade Quinn? Yes, that's the least the Browns can do for him. Brady deserves the opportunity to be a starter in the NFL, not sitting on the sidelines
watching DA throwing balls six feet over the heads of Winslow and Edwards and his infamous interceptions in the endzone. Since Savage and the Browns are so enamored with this medicore QB and plan to stick with him and reward him with contracts and money he doesn't deserve - then go ahead trade Brady and get some other guy to act as backup to "their" franchise QB.
BTW, Bill Livingston of the PD has an excellent column in this morning's paper talking about the possibility of another Browns' "folly".
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Trade Quinn? Yes, that's the least the Browns can do for him. Brady deserves the opportunity to be a starter in the NFL, not sitting on the sidelines
watching DA throwing balls six feet over the heads of Winslow and Edwards and his infamous interceptions in the endzone. Since Savage and the Browns are so enamored with this medicore QB and plan to stick with him and reward him with contracts and money he doesn't deserve - then go ahead trade Brady and get some other guy to act as back to "their" franchise QB.
BTW, Bill Livingston of the PD has an excellent column in this morning's paper talking about the possibility of another Browns' "folly".
I can't help but think that if he had not held out his position on the QB depth chart would be higher.... At this point we will start to see the true character of both QBs. I wonder how much of the money he held out for is now on the floor because he is the backup and not the starter because it took too long to get into camp. my $0.02.
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You can't be serious... We have both under contract and we need to keep it that way until a clear starter emerges.
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