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Addition of Rogers, Williams makes Browns the favorites in the AFC North By Mike Wilkening (mwilkening@pfwmedia.com) March 1, 2008 Division championships aren't won in March, and talented defensive linemen are not dangled in trade without eyebrows being arched, but the Browns have to be the early favorites to capture the AFC North for the first time in their history after Friday's acquisitions of Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers. Early on Friday, general manager Phil Savage traded a second-round pick to Green Bay for Williams, who will play defensive end in Cleveland's 3-4 defense. Later in the evening, after a reported Bengals trade for Rogers fell through, Savage dealt a third-round pick and CB Leigh Bodden to Detroit for the 6-4, 340-pound lineman. Rogers figures to be the Browns' starting nose tackle. The Browns won 10 games a season ago in spite of a defense that allowed more yards than all but two clubs and had its problems stopping the run and the pass. Any defensive improvement will give the Browns' potent offense more of a margin for error. Four of Cleveland's six losses in 2007 were by six points or fewer, and each was marked by mistake-laden play from QB Derek Anderson. Was trading for Williams and Rogers risky? Yes. Williams, whom the Browns reportedly signed to a six-year, $38 million contract, had seven sacks in each of the last two seasons, but the Packers selected to sell high. Hmmm. And the Lions — not short on defensive problems of their own — were desperately trying to trade Rogers before having to pay him a $1 million roster bonus on Saturday. The Browns now have no picks in the first three rounds of April's draft. Their first-rounder went to Dallas in the Brady Quinn trade. But the bigger risk for the Browns would have been to make only minor changes to the line — a veteran free agent here, a rookie or two there. Savage and the Browns' scouts looked at the D-linemen likely to be available when the Browns were picking in Round Two and cringed. "I was not comfortable at all that we were going to find a defensive lineman in that realm of the draft," he said. Hence the deal for Williams. And, later, the trade for Rogers. Look around the AFC North. The Steelers are going to lose OLG Alan Faneca, likely to the Jets. The Ravens don't have the salary-cap space to be major free-agent players and are hoping to coax one more year out of Steve McNair, 35, at quarterback. The Bengals let underappreciated S Madieu Williams walk and will have to replace steady DE Justin Smith, who reportedly will sign with San Francisco. Their plans to improve their defense remain largely a mystery — and took a major hit when they couldn't close the deal for Rogers. The Browns spent Friday addressing their most glaring need. The payoff could be spectacular. The downside risk can't be ignored, but it can be swallowed without much discomfort, considering where the Browns have been and where they want to go. link---------------------------------------------------------- SO my question to you is Fact or fiction and why?
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I would say that we are in contention but not the favorite. Baltimore is not the team it once was with an aging QB, defense, and OL. Cincy has finally found their way back to the bottom, despite a few seasons where they actually fooled some people into thinking they were a viable professional sports organization.
That leaves us and the Steelers. We are the contenders. I wouldn't give either the edge as the favorite.
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I would give us the edge as the favorite... We sacked them 5 times (yet still lost) and they had Faneca while we had no defensive line... Add 2 good defensive linemen, subtract Faneca... Also give our offense another year of experience together, and I bet you we play the Steelers alot better.
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Honestly for me this is still a tough question to answer at this stage of the off season with so many more personnel moves to be made in the next few months, but I thought is would make a good discussion.
I am not sure that I would make us the favorites to win the AFC north at this time, but I surely would put us as 1B to Pittsburgh as 1A.
personally I see Pitt as a fairly similar team on offense, but think that they could have a slight edge at QB and we could have a slight edge on the offensive line ( Man it feels good to type that.) I think that the overall talent of the other skill positions are close.
The biggest question I have is whether we caught up to them on Defense. There defense will still be a strength and they will have had more experience than we will. Rogers and Williams will help, but it remains to be seen how much they will improve the skill positions on Defense and until we know that I am wary of calling the browns the outright favorites. But it does make a fun discussion.
With Cincinnati I am confuses. I think that their offense had a down year and should rebound, but I am not sure what they are doing with their defense. They have a shot at having the worst defense in the league.
Baltimore's defense is good, but no longer dominate, and they have many questions on offense, which I do not think that they can address all of them in the draft and the rest of free agency. QB, WR, and OT. Ogden is good, but is not the dominate lt of old. all in all I see them finishing third.
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I've been waiting for the right thread to voice my overall opinion of what we've done, and finally, I've found it, hehehe.
What Savage has done here is risky. When you trade high draft picks for established players, what it essentially breaks down to is a trade of experience for dollars. We could have drafted players with the picks we gave away, but instead received established players at bigger money. The upside is instant upgrades and returns, the downside is minimal upgrades and money problems down the road. With the way the league continues to grow, meaning the cap will continue to grow, the fiscal issues aren't as big as the production for the players received. Rogers has issues, but when considering what else is out there, the move is an acceptable risk. Same goes for Williams.
There's an old cliche that says you get nowhere if you don't take chances. It's a fact. We've taken a couple of chances, but not nearly as big as people may want to believe. I applaud what Savage has done, and believe in the moves 100%. I believe that if they don't pan out, we're hardly in a worse situation than we were when the offseason started. We're building a team to win RIGHT NOW. That move has to be made because of the moves we've allready made. Winslow and Edwards are now in their prime, as are players like many of our O-linemen. The window for this team to win is probably about 4 years or so because of the financial ramifications involved, which is about the effective ages for Rogers and Williams. Within that amount of time, our youngest players like Anderson or Quinn, Thomas, Wright, Jackson, and Wimbley will be in their prime. These moves make sense in this timeline.
Now, on a completely unrelated note, has there ever been a team filled with players who's names are so nondescript? People around the league won't be able to remember them 
We have two Adams's, an Anderson, two Davis's, a Jackson, a Thomas, a Hill, a Lewis, three Smith's, a Jones, three Wright's, and two Williams's on the roster. Thank God for media guides!
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The biggest question I have is whether we caught up to them on Defense. There defense will still be a strength and they will have had more experience than we will. Rogers and Williams will help, but it remains to be seen how much they will improve the skill positions on Defense and until we know that I am wary of calling the browns the outright favorites. But it does make a fun discussion.
That's exactly it. This is a year were there is no BS from the LBs. Put up or shut up guys. We better stop the run and get some rush on the QB. We could use another OLB for the rotation, and we'd definitely be better. But I expect Wimbley to continue getting better and Peek hopefully will improve as well.
Our OLBs need to play contain and rush the QB. Hopefully with a strong push up the middle, we should be able to trap the QB and the RBs.
Probably the biggest thing will be Pool's play/CB play. If Pool improves, Sean Jones can play closer to the line and stop the run/make plays against the guys making underneath moves. Last year he wasn't as good as Russell. I hope this year he can improve his play and continue to make plays as well as not let plays be made against us.
Our defense can be really good if Jackson, Wimbley, and Davis have more freedom to produce. No more BS from the LBs, I want production, not 5-7 yard deep tackles. Doesn't matter how many tackles you make if they aren't near the LOS.
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I said it after the season and I'll say it again, especially now.
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I said it after the season and I'll say it again, especially now.
The road to the division crown runs through the Dawg Pound this year.
Hey I like how that sounds but right now until we beat them the Squeelers are still the hog with the big nuts. On paper it looks good but we need to get that monkey of our back(and any other cliches you can think of).
It is going to happen eventually but lets not count our chickens before they are hatched. Dont assume anything and stay hungry.
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I agree on the time line.
When the window is about to open or has opened, you need to try to go through.
We have the parts to make a run at things...this season and as you said, probably 2-3 after that.
We had to look for some instant fix to match the abilities of the 2 units. In the 2-3 years it might take to get the D up to speed in the draft, the O would be at the point of beginning to lose steam.
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I see what you're saying, but I think if we take it one game at a time and just give 110% week in and week out, this will be the year that David overtakes Goliath.
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I said it after the season and I'll say it again, especially now.
The road to the division crown runs through the Dawg Pound this year.
Hey I like how that sounds but right now until we beat them the Squeelers are still the hog with the big nuts. On paper it looks good but we need to get that monkey of our back(and any other cliches you can think of).
It is going to happen eventually but lets not count our chickens before they are hatched. Dont assume anything and stay hungry.
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I was waiting for that slice of humble pie to be served. I'm sure Romeo is telling the players the same thing you're telling me, and I believe the players think the same way.
But looking at it on paper (which means nothing until the games are played, I know), we have to be considered the favorites. The Steelers looked to be on their way down near the end last year and are going to lose a crucial piece to their offense (Faneca). Hines Ward is only getting older. Roethlisberger took a ton of hits last year before losing Faneca, their new center was no Jeff Hartings. They're going to lose Clark Haggans (but I know they have a plug and play mentality at linebacker), etc.
Momentum-wise, we're the team to beat. On the upswing, have only improved in the offseason and have a young group that keeps improving.
Just think how much Kamerion Wimbley will improve by having Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams drawing double teams.
Think about Eric Wright in his second year, and Brandon McDonald in his as well. Think of the improvement of the secondary due to the added pressure of the DL and the experience they gained.
My only question is can we add another quality receiver on offense?
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My only concern is we are one Winslow injury away from going from a great offense to an average one.
We absolutely must do something at WR, and I hope one of the options is not 'maybe Wilson will get it this year'.
With Winslow, this offense is high octane. Without him, I think we aren't running regular octane, but we aren't running on premium either.
I'd like to see us get something done with Stallworth. That would make me very happy.
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My only concern is we are one Winslow injury away from going from a great offense to an average one.
We absolutely must do something at WR, and I hope one of the options is not 'maybe Wilson will get it this year'.
With Winslow, this offense is high octane. Without him, I think we aren't running regular octane, but we aren't running on premium either.
I'd like to see us get something done with Stallworth. That would make me very happy.
Amen, totally with you there. I think we got lucky that neither of our star receivers went down. Can't afford to do that again, especially with Jurevicius possibly going into his last year.
Adding Stallworth would bring an "Oh crap" dimension to our O. Stallworth alone isn't good, but Stallworth in this offense is a game changer.
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I see what you're saying, but I think if we take it one game at a time and just give 110% week in and week out, this will be the year that David overtakes Goliath.
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We haven't beaten the steelers since 2003....that is not a typo...2003...we are NOT the favroites...that is pathetic...sure we have a better shot now with all the trades...but i would still put the steelers above us at this point
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I dunno about Stallworth. I saw what he did in NE this year and thought to myself. Who couldnt do that?!
This is a guy that has been hype his whole career, and they said he never reached his full potential because of injuries in his early seasons. Then he goes to NE and is suddenly the man, and still only puts up marginal production. Part cuz Moss and Welker had such great years, but i think the other part, is because he's not all that good.
Id rather take a look at a guy like Devery Henderson, or I've been saying the name, and i dont think hes ready to be a starter yet but Sam Aiken, or Bryant Johnson.
I think Stallworth is overrated
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The AFC North has only been around for a few years...
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lol, good point... The sentence may have been better if it read "...in its history."
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Probably the biggest thing will be Pool's play/CB play. If Pool improves, Sean Jones can play closer to the line and stop the run/make plays against the guys making underneath moves. Last year he wasn't as good as Russell. I hope this year he can improve his play and continue to make plays as well as not let plays be made against us
Poole is terrible, he couldn't make the Steeler's roster as a special teamer. S Jones has played well but I've yet to see a game where I thought "Jones is almost as good as Polamalu".
This defense has a long way to go - even after the trades. Adding these Big Boys will help but we still lack a #2 rush LB, a #1 run stop LB, a ball hawking DB, and a safety that knocks people out and punishes them.
It's a step in the right direction but to claim the Browns are now one of the 16 best defenses in the NFL is a real stretch.
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Can't say that they will be the favorites due to the Steelers usual success, but barring a monumental collapse, they will very much be in contention for it.
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i might be caught up in the moment, but i think we'll win the north next year
with this roster, barring any crazy injuries (knock on wood) i think this team can win quite a few ballgames, but more importantly win the ones within the division, including pittsburgh
their run over us is coming to an end... i guarantee at least 1 over them next year...
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Until we get past Pittsburgh,, we aren't anything....
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that's the thing, i think we're getting past pittsburgh this year
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i might be caught up in the moment, but i think we'll win the north next year
with this roster, barring any crazy injuries (knock on wood) i think this team can win quite a few ballgames, but more importantly win the ones within the division, including pittsburgh
their run over us is coming to an end... i guarantee at least 1 over them next year...
I could see that happening. I am not sure if the Browns defense will be up to the task since their secondary is still shaky. Their Cornerbacks would be Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald or Daven Holly. Not exactly world beaters although all three of them have shown promise. Brodney Pool made less mind numbing mistakes towards the end last year but they could definitely do A LOT better.
Linebacker isn't bad. Andra Davis is still decent although I think Leon Williams should replace him. D'qwell Jackson is young and talented. Same for Kamerion Wimbley. Willie McGinest should be cut. Now. He is a waste of a roster space. Antwan Peek is capable.
The D-line is looking solid. Robaire Smith did well last year. However, if memory serves me correctly, this is the first time Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers have played in a 34 defense.
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I think that mentality is somewhat counter productive.
Always stay humble and work hard, I get that. But as long as we keep saying "We're not as good as them til we beat them." creates a mental block. And I believe our problems with the Steelers, especially last year, are more mental than anything else. They're in our heads.
I think we need a swagger going in expecting to beat them. That's not overconfidence, that's believing in yourself and what we've done to make this team the best team in the AFC North.
We need to go in thinking "we're gonna eat a Roethisberger and have the Steelers screaming uncle at the end, then when we have them beaten, we finish them off."
I think that's a little more motivating than "Until we beat them, they're the team to beat."
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Then you have the Colts, Cowboys, Skins, Titans, Jags & Giants to get past as well. 
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Until we have more games won in the division than losses we are not a damn thing. Last year we had a pretty good year but went 3-3 in the division. On top of that we only played one legite team in Seattle. *(that was an AWESOME GAME) Buffalo was on a hot streak when we played them in that blizzard but other than that, nothin.
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The Browns have added:
Corey Williams
Shaun Rodgers
Donte Stallworth
The Browns have lost:
Leigh Bodden
The Steelers, Bengals and Ravens have added:
crickets.....
The Steelers lost their best offensive player in Faneca and the Bengals lost their two best players on defense Justin Smith and Madieu Williams.
Things are looking good for the Browns in the AFC North
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I think that mentality is somewhat counter productive.
Always stay humble and work hard, I get that. But as long as we keep saying "We're not as good as them til we beat them." creates a mental block. And I believe our problems with the Steelers, especially last year, are more mental than anything else. They're in our heads.
I think we need a swagger going in expecting to beat them. That's not overconfidence, that's believing in yourself and what we've done to make this team the best team in the AFC North.
We need to go in thinking "we're gonna eat a Roethisberger and have the Steelers screaming uncle at the end, then when we have them beaten, we finish them off."
I think that's a little more motivating than "Until we beat them, they're the team to beat."
what's this "we" stuff?
when i saw we're going to beat them, i'm saying that as a fan...
and what i have to say, has nothing to do with the actual outcome...
pittsburgh isn't going to put my words up on their bulletin board...
and that's the whole point of it, me as a fan, i think we're beating them next year
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The Browns have added:
Corey Williams
Shaun Rodgers
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The Browns have lost:
Leigh Bodden
The Steelers, Bengals and Ravens have added:
crickets.....
The Steelers lost their best offensive player in Faneca and the Bengals lost their two best players on defense Justin Smith and Madieu Williams.
Things are looking good for the Browns in the AFC North
Steelers do not have enough cap room to sign anyone, nor would they usualy. They build through the draft. It has worked before. Alan Faneca was/is overrated anyway. I understand completely how exciting it would be to make a few high profile moves, however it did not work for the Redskins. At all. Not to be a hater or sound homerish, quite frankly most successful teams in the NFL have built through the draft.
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Although I see your point about the Steelers, I would argue that the most of the least successful teams in the NFL have been built through the draft as well. The simple fact is that the majority of teams don't have the flexibility to make a huge number of additions in free agency.
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The Browns have lost:
Leigh Bodden
The Steelers, Bengals and Ravens have added:
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The Steelers lost their best offensive player in Faneca and the Bengals lost their two best players on defense Justin Smith and Madieu Williams.
Things are looking good for the Browns in the AFC North
Steelers do not have enough cap room to sign anyone, nor would they usualy. They build through the draft. It has worked before. Alan Faneca was/is overrated anyway. I understand completely how exciting it would be to make a few high profile moves, however it did not work for the Redskins. At all. Not to be a hater or sound homerish, quite frankly most successful teams in the NFL have built through the draft.
The Redskins are illogical with the moves they make though. It's like they make a splash just to make a splash. Brandon Lloyd? Randle El? BIG money to Clinton Portis? It makes no sense
With us it feels like, yeah we're making noise, but all of our signings make sense. That's not homerism talking either. We're looking for people who fit in our system and can contribute. That's the key, making sure the guys you bring in fit your system.
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Although I see your point about the Steelers, I would argue that the most of the least successful teams in the NFL have been built through the draft as well. The simple fact is that the majority of teams don't have the flexibility to make a huge number of additions in free agency.
Eagles, Patriots (good before this year too), Steelers, Giants, Packers, Jaguars (normally quiet), Colts, Seahawks. All largely successful teams whose M.O. is to build mainly through the draft.
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Although I see your point about the Steelers, I would argue that the most of the least successful teams in the NFL have been built through the draft as well. The simple fact is that the majority of teams don't have the flexibility to make a huge number of additions in free agency.
Eagles, Patriots (good before this year too), Steelers, Giants, Packers, Jaguars (normally quiet), Colts, Seahawks. All largely successful teams whose M.O. is to build mainly through the draft.
i realize that, but the same could be said about the dolphins, raiders, rams, chiefs, cardinals, bears, and pretty much any other team you can throw out there.
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The Browns have added:
Corey Williams
Shaun Rodgers
Donte Stallworth
The Browns have lost:
Leigh Bodden
The Steelers, Bengals and Ravens have added:
crickets.....
The Steelers lost their best offensive player in Faneca and the Bengals lost their two best players on defense Justin Smith and Madieu Williams.
Things are looking good for the Browns in the AFC North
Steelers do not have enough cap room to sign anyone, nor would they usualy. They build through the draft. It has worked before. Alan Faneca was/is overrated anyway. I understand completely how exciting it would be to make a few high profile moves, however it did not work for the Redskins. At all. Not to be a hater or sound homerish, quite frankly most successful teams in the NFL have built through the draft.
The Redskins are illogical with the moves they make though. It's like they make a splash just to make a splash. Brandon Lloyd? Randle El? BIG money to Clinton Portis? It makes no sense
With us it feels like, yeah we're making noise, but all of our signings make sense. That's not homerism talking either. We're looking for people who fit in our system and can contribute. That's the key, making sure the guys you bring in fit your system.
True. The Redskins are slightly moronic when it comes to spending money. But really, Shaun Rogers? I know that he is better than Ted Washington but he is a character risk who hasn't played 3-4 nose and hasn't exhibited the selflessness required from a nose tackle to take up blocks and not garner numerical superiority. At 6-5 he may be too tall for a nose as well (I know that sound retarded). The better ones (Vince Wilfork, Jamal Williams, Casey Hampton, Jay Ratliff) are all in the 6'-0'' to 6'-2''/6'-3'' range. That allows them to get better leverage.
Donte' Stallworth isn't really all that great either. Obviously better than Tim Carter, his only real asset is his tremendous speed. His routes leave a little to be desired. His hands aren't great. He lost his job to Jabar Gaffney. He will always be a massive underachiever who will wow on occasions and simply stupify on others. He was very much overpaid.
What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone?-Churchill
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This is my first post after 6 years of gleaning a good deal of my football knowledge from the best board in not just all of football, but of any sport.
I am feeling so compelled because, hallelujah, I have been filled with the light of Phil. Regardless of the pros and cons of any moves we have made in the past two years, and there are always those who can find fault and I applaud them for remaining diligent fans who expect the best, the fact is that I completely and wholeheartedly trust in Phil.
Even without any of his other moves, the fact that we will have the best Left Tackle in the league for the foreseeable future makes me feel so good inside. Quaterbacks are secure, once again I have to trust Phil on DA, but even if he is wrong, he's even prepared himself for that. Lewis would normally command eight in the box behind what has to be one of the most desirable young offensive lines in the league and one of the best young fullbacks in the league. I say normally command eight in the box because - teams have put up to 3 players on Winslow, Edwards is truly gifted and the complete package, JJ is sure handed and can box out single covereage with his size, and regardless of what people say about Stallworth, he will entail a deep safety to protect the long ball that DA can deliver.
Everyone knew that the defense needed big bodies that could protect the run and help go after the passer, and I can't come up with a better duo than the ones that Phil brought in. I was really questioning what kind of help that we could bring in with our picks and now i know. We addressed LBs last season and I believe that we have a good group of guys to rotate in the game. Speaking of rotation, how do S Smith and E Kelley sound coming off the bench, so what if Rogers is not conditioned, Smith and Kelley can easily spell him. I will admit that the DBs are questionable, but there is a lot of young talent waiting there, FA period is not over with, and how many years did we make due with 6th and 7th string cb's and Griffith and Earl playing on our team? Top this Sundae off with th cherries of big leg Zastudil setting up field position, Awesome Phil making clutch kicks, Cribbs continuing to get better on all special team units, and last but not least Pro Bowlin' Pontbriand making this the best special teams unit in the land, and in my opinion the question is not whether we will be contenders in the division, but whether we are contenders for the SB as Chris Mortensen pointed out on SportCenter tonight.
Could I poke holes in the team, sure. Could Phil fill those holes, I tust that he could. I believe we have given ourselves the best chance to play out our tough upcoming schedule. Sorry for being an eternally realistic Browns fan who is finally getting carried away with silly offseason aqcuistions, but in the face of all Phil has brought to this team I can't hep but make an overly long and overly optimistic first post.
And I might not be the only one who has noticed the Brown's power plays, I wouldn't be suprised if the cream of the AFC have also started to look over their shoulder, wondering how in the heck they will gameplan against the players that we have put on our team.
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Until we get past Pittsburgh,, we aren't anything....
that's the thing, i think we're getting past pittsburgh this year
Yah...wake me up when that happens...as exciting as last season was the 2 losses to pukesburgh were hard to take...esp the last one where we could have won and came short... we haven't beaten them since 2003....!!!! that is insane...
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Wanna read something hilarious? Go to the Bengals board and read the post from a guy who just quit on the Bengals because we pulled Shaun Rogers out from under them. Priceless. 
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Wanna read something hilarious?
Go to the Bengals board and read the post from a guy who just quit on the Bengals because we pulled Shaun Rogers out from under them. Priceless.
I read that, that was good for a laugh. Typical Bengals fan though.
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