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If Rogers was the only guy brought in here, and given that deal, then I would have a problem... but since he has Williams and the Smith's to help him out, they all should compliment each other pretty well, and make each other look better.

Good move.. Go ahead and show that he is already appreciated, so that he will go into camp feeling wanted.

Can't wait to see our defensive 3 go against pitt next year...

The other game I can't wait for is against the Colts... Payback is a.....

i understand locking him up for 6 years, what i don't understand is why now?? He had three years left on his current deal. So he plays next year, still under contract for two more years. Savage tells him now, be the guy we think you are and next year we rip up your contract and sign a long term deal. That should motivate him, a multi year deal worth big bucks. As it stands now, i see the browns at a disadvantage in keeping this guy motivated. Maybe the contract has language specifying that he participate in off season workouts with weight restrictions. I watched this guy play fairly often- he can be a beast or he can disappear.... its the disappearing that scares me a bit. But if he sets his mind to being a force, he can change the tempo of a game. I think this will be a great signing for the browns, i just don't get why Savage was in such a hurry to add to the risk by extending him now.

Here's a question for those that have watched him a lot:

During the times where he 'disappears' in games, does he at least hold his ground on the LoS, or is he getting pushed around?

If he just isn't penetrating as much, but is still playing the run and holding his ground, I think because of the difference in scheme that we're gonna be just fine because we don't want or need our NT to be getting that kind of penetration every single play.


What I see combined though with him and Williams and The Smiths is 4 guys that can each command a double-team. They're all strong and they all play the run and can still have a bit of a motor as well. This line should be night-n-day different.

I did not see this posted anywhere.

link http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/03/cleveland_browns_shaun_rogers.html

Cleveland Browns' Shaun Rogers the team's new middle man
Posted by Tony Grossi March 04, 2008 22:35PM
Categories: Browns
In Detroit, Shaun Rogers was seen as a player with multiple issues.

The Lions were disenchanted with his attitude, health, work ethic and weight. They didn't want to pay the $17.5 million due on the last three years of Rogers' contract.

But Rogers pledged on Tuesday to make the Browns look good for trading for him.

"Whatever happens in the past stays in the past," Rogers said. "I'm just excited to get a new look, develop a new reputation and just move on."

The Browns gave up their third-round pick and starting cornerback Leigh Bodden for Rogers on Friday. The trade became official when Rogers passed his Cleveland physical on Tuesday.


Weight has always been an issue with Rogers, he said, since he tipped the scales at 10 pounds, 1 ounce as a baby. The Lions tried assigning Rogers a prescribed weight and also tried removing that standard to encourage him to stay in shape voluntarily.

Listed as 6-4 and 340 pounds, Rogers sometimes played closer to 400 pounds, insiders said. He joked Tuesday he plays at "whatever is comfortable" to him.

"I've managed to play good football throughout my career and life," Rogers said. "I don't think it's going to be an issue here. We're all going to be in agreement. Whatever [the weight limit] turns out to be, I'm going to meet those standards and play good ball."

Rogers, who turns 29 on March 12, said he intended to participate in the Browns' off-season conditioning program at the onset on March 17.

"We're constantly working towards making sure everything is in place to lead off to a good start for myself," he said.

According to at least one report, Rogers was able to block a trade to the Cincinnati Bengals by declining to postpone the deadline for a $1 million roster bonus due him on March 1. The report said Rogers did agree to it for the Browns. He declined to comment on the report Tuesday.

On the field, Rogers has to learn the 3-4 scheme employed by coach Romeo Crennel.

"When you watch Shaun play, you see he's a dominant guy along the line of scrimmage," Crennel said. "We feel Shaun still has a lot of upside and will be a good fit in improving this defense. We were just upstairs watching some tape. Shaun has played predominantly inside and on the right side. I think we'll see Shaun playing both spots for us, because all our guys have some versatility where they play inside and at the end. We're gonna get the most out of him."

Rogers said: "I just want to be somewhere I can make plays and be effective defensively. I still think I can be effective on the outside as well as inside.

"This is going to be my first time in a 3-4. We've run variations, but that hasn't been our base defense. I've been over the nose, but not in our base. I'm looking forward to the challenges and maybe making a mark in the 3-4. I think with my size and some of my abilities I have, I can adapt well, but until I get out there and play it, I won't have a good answer for that."

The new Browns' defensive front will feature a combination of Rogers, newly acquired Corey Williams, and holdovers Robaire Smith and Shaun Smith. General Manager Phil Savage said the two other spots will be filled by Louis Leonard and 2007 draft picks Mel Purcell and/or Chase Pittman.


Stallworth feels at home: The Browns are receiver Donte Stallworth's fourth team in four years, but he feels he's found a home at last.

"I'm excited. These guys won 10 games last year. They've got a lot of young talent. I'm excited to bring in what I have and be a part of it," Stallworth said in a conference call with Cleveland media on Tuesday.

Stallworth signed a six-year contract with the Patriots last year, but knew the structure of it meant he would stay only one year with New England. They made him a free agent by declining to pay a scheduled $6 million bonus last week.

Stallworth's deal with the Browns has been reported as seven years for $35 million, with $10 million in guarantees.

"I liked what I saw when I was there [to visit]," Stallworth said. "They're a hungry organization. Lot of good talent that's going to be here a long time."

Savage said after the 2007 season, Joe Jurevicius requested the team find a No. 2 receiver so he could be moved to No. 3. That was the reason the Browns pursued Stallworth aggressively.

Tim Carter, who was acquired last year in the trade for Reuben Droughns, will not be back, Savage said.


Sorensen signs: The Browns announced late Tuesday that safety Nick Sorensen has come to terms on a three-year contract.

Sorensen was signed in October last year and performed well on special teams. He finished fifth with 14 special-teams tackles.

I just typed a long, (what else ), reply to the story you posted. But somehow I hit a key that sent me back to the thread and I lost my entire post. Perhaps I'll do it again tomorrow.

This is about the fourth time this has happened to me since I've been a member of the board and for the life of me I don't know what key, or key combination, I hit to make it do that. I get to typing faster than my abilities sometimes I guess.



But to stay on topic I'll sum up my post like this: "I'm glad we signed Shawn Rogers, wow, that's a lot of money, I hope he works out and have some faith that he will.

On the contract: I'm thinking that making him the highest paid defensive lineman was something the club wanted to do in an obvious display of their faith in him, which would be encouraging to the man, and that he'll likely not see anywhere near that total figure once it all plays out. Eight million a year for a guy to blow up the Steelers O-line twice a year for the next three years, (our window to the superbowl), seems like a bargain to me. "

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Not to nitpick but he is the highest paid interior defensive lineman. Freeney hit the DL mark last year.

And this is a big time gamble.....huge. but i hope it pays off. As others have said I don't understand why we didn't have a prove it year in 08.

You're right, interior.

Lots of money. No one denies his ability. Just his desire to excell. I sure hope he works out. Who wouldn't. Maybe I have a little more optomistic faith than most that it will. Hell, what else do I have to go on?

This isn't just a change of scenery for him. It's not like he's going to the 49'ers. We just won 10 games and even if we'd only added Cory Williams, we've improved our biggest weakness on the team by far. He's coming into a very desireable situation. That's could be a receipe for career changing do-over.

Even if he underperforms he's a huge improvement. Overpaid at that point, but a big improvement still.

It does make sense for a "prove it" year in '08. But he's been under the microscope and badgered in Detroit for several years now by the fans and the media alike. With this new contract we've effectively removed that monkey off his back. That's another receipe for a new lease on life for him.

He's been shown he's wanted and respected here by our organization. We are a team on the rise. All our players have bought into the system and have the confidence that they can win. He'll be playing for a coach he respects. We all know what he can do. Now it's up to him to go out and do it.

Buried inside the Grossi article are the blurbs:

" The new Browns' defensive front will feature a combination of Rogers, newly acquired Corey Williams, and holdovers Robaire Smith and Shaun Smith. General manager Phil Savage said the other two spots will be Louis Leonard and 2007 draft picks Mel Purcell and/or Chase Pittman."

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" Tim Carter, who was acquired last year in the trade for Reuben Droughns, will not be back, Savage said."

I find it somewhat Ironic, that the same people who scream about Dolan not spending with the Indians are sometimes the same people screaming about Phil spending with the Browns

Things like that make me wonder also, people being people.

Motown, that article gives a view that doesn't seem to be shared in Detroit much and that's great, but it's still a reporter saying it and giving his opinion. if you hang around here long enough, you will find that even if I agree with what a reporter says, I still don't trust reporters.. period.... No offense intended by the way..

Vers, you may say that you don't want to hear " Millin is an Idiot" kinda comments, but look around, when was the last time Millin did anything good for the Lions. You may not want to hear it, but I'm afraid it's true, Millin IS an idiot!

As for whether or not this is a good trade... well, we can sit here and beat a dead horse until pigs fly, truth is, on paper, there are some basic reasons for concern from what little I've read.

Rogers supposedly gets lazy and gets fat and takes plays off.. Those are NOT things we want to hear about newly aquired players. And they may be true. Honestly, I didn't pay enough attention to the Lions to say... So I'll accept them as at least being possible.

Sounds like the kinda player you run away from doesn't it. But look a little deeper. Those of you that have played on losing teams, tell me what it feels like. Tell me that you don't lose all hope and sense of worth. Tell me that despair doesn't kick you right in the nads.... Then tell me how easy it is to play for that kinda organization..

I DON'T accept that excuse. A player is paid to get HIS job done and there is NO excuse for not working hard, staying fit, and playing every down. NONE..

But on the other hand, I do understand how playing for a loser can take it's toll on a person.. I get it.

Here is my problem... if a player was kicking butt when he first started playing Pro, and he let his feelings of playing for a loser get to him, then you would think that he starts off like gangbusters, and then fades as years go by...

Rogers has seemingly done the opposite.. He started off average and became a Pro Bowler.. ON A LOSING TEAM! Wanna tell guys that have played for the Browns since 1999 how easy that is to accomplish?

Now, put that kid with Romeo.. A man that has lead some pretty darn good defenses to superbowl wins...a man that is as steady as the day is long. An honest coach that calls it like he sees it and who the players love to play for.

Add in the likes of JJ, McGinest, Davis and Lewis, and maybe this kid becomes the monter we all hope for.

Then maybe, just maybe you have the fixins for a winning situation...


Truth is, more knowledgable football people than anyone on here have deemed him worth it. And as much as I think that Vers is right about it being a whole lotta money, I gotta trust Savage. He's done us right so far..

Honestly, this just needs time to play out. I sure hope Phil and RAC are right about this kid. We just don't need another "big money" on this team... But of course, they already know that...

I guess another note is that savage must have a lot of confidence in the coaching staff to make the gamble.

I do agree with Vers, this is really risky.

Here's a question for those that have watched him a lot:

During the times where he 'disappears' in games, does he at least hold his ground on the LoS, or is he getting pushed around?

If he just isn't penetrating as much, but is still playing the run and holding his ground, I think because of the difference in scheme that we're gonna be just fine because we don't want or need our NT to be getting that kind of penetration every single play.


I see no one bothered to answer that so I will..I've seen ENOUGH Detroit football..and I watched a lot when Sanders was running his tail off..
Rodgers is a load to move , even when he seems off...he's not getting pushed around , and you have to remember he was one of the biggest guys on the line.
Half of his effort is on par with 100% that some of our weaklings have ever mustered up
One other thing ..listening to Savage this morning, he said he knows the risk , but they gave up a third, not a first for him..
And then he said [people are worried about the cap for next year, he said they'll be WELL UNDER it..so stop worrying..(not you personally , but he said people)..
My though...it is a risk but so would a third rounder who might not be a impact..lets just see what happens..

I think we will be well under b/c we don't have to give huge contracts to our first three draft picks... that does help, and i'm sure they have taken that into consideration.

J/C

Savage just said on his radio interview that he expects to be 20-30 million under the cap again next year:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/multimedia/mediaplayer.php?id=4680

That is awesome, i was wondering where we stood after doing all these contracts.

Wanna put this here so when the new numbers come out we can compare...These will disappear then...

2008 4250000.00
2009 5250000.00
2010 7000000.00

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