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Where do they take the test. Who grades it??
In the end, I don't really care. I am just expressing my opinion. If you and or others want to keep your kids at home and teach them, go for it. In the long run, I think it retards a childs development.
But again...that is simply my opinion. I am no psychologist.
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From Ohio's Revised Code.... 3301-34-04 Academic assessment. (A) The parent(s) shall send to the superintendent an academic assessment report of the child for the previous school year at the time of supplying subsequent notification. (B) The academic assessment report shall include one of the following: (1) Results of a nationally normed, standardized achievement test which meets the requirements set forth in rule 3301-12-02 of the Administrative Code. (a) Such test shall be administered by: (i) A certified teacher; or
(ii) Another person mutually agreed upon by the parent(s) and the superintendent; or
(iii) A person duly authorized by the publisher of the test.(b) Results should demonstrate reasonable proficiency as compared to other children in the district at the same grade level. Any child that has a composite score at or above the twenty-fifth percentile shall be deemed to be performing at a level of reasonable proficiency. (2) A written narrative indicating that a portfolio of samples of the child’s work has been reviewed and that the child’s academic progress for the year is in accordance with the child’s abilities. (a) The written narrative shall be prepared by: (i) A certified teacher; or (ii) Other person mutually agreed upon by the parent(s) and the superintendent. (b) The parent(s) shall be responsible for the payment of fees charged for preparation of the narrative. (3) An alternative academic assessment of the child’s proficiency mutually agreed upon by the parent and the superintendent. (C) If the parent(s) chooses to have the standardized testing conducted as part of the school district scheduled testing program, there shall be no cost to the parent(s). The time and location for testing shall be established by the school district. (D) If the parent(s) chooses to have the standardized testing conducted privately, the parent(s) shall pay for the testing. The time and location for testing shall be established by the parent(s). R.C. 119.032 review dates: 02/13/2004 and 02/13/2009 Promulgated Under: 119.03 Statutory Authority: 3321.04 Rule Amplifies: 3321.04 Prior Effective Dates: 8/1/89 3301-34-05 Remediation. (A) If the annual academic assessment indicates that the child is not demonstrating reasonable proficiency, the superintendent shall notify the parent(s) in writing that an appropriate plan of remediation shall be submitted by the parent(s) to the superintendent within thirty days after receipt of such notification. (B) During remediation the parent(s) shall submit a quarterly report to the superintendent which includes: (1) A written narrative evaluating the child’s progress, including an explanation if the child has made less than satisfactory progress in any subject; and (2) An explanation if less than the intended curriculum planned for the quarter was covered. (C) Remediation may be eliminated at any time during the year upon determination by the superintendent that the child is demonstrating reasonable proficiency. At the time of such determination, the superintendent shall notify the parent(s) in writing that remediation is no longer needed. (D) If the child does not demonstrate reasonable progress during remediation, the superintendent may, subsequent to a due process hearing, under paragraph (D) of rule 3301-34-03 of the Administrative Code, if requested by the parent, revoke the child’s excuse from attendance and notify the parent(s) in writing to enroll the child within thirty calendar days in a school that is in compliance with Chapter 3301-35 of the Administrative Code. The superintendent shall also notify the parent(s) in writing that the parent(s) has the right to appeal the superintendent’s decision to the juvenile judge of the county, within ten calendar days, in accordance with section 3331.08 of the Revised Code. R.C. 119.032 review dates: 02/13/2004 and 02/13/2009 Promulgated Under: 119.03 Statutory Authority: 3321.04 Rule Amplifies: 3321.04 Prior Effective Dates: 8/1/89 Quote:
In the long run, I think it retards a childs development.
Just the opposite has been proven, actually.
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But I do think the parents need to be able to show they are qualified.....not to be a parent.....but to educate from an academic point of view.
See, I don't see why. I know a lot of parents that I don't think are qualified to pass a decent moral belief system on to their children and I know some that suck at passing on a positive mental attitude toward self-confidence, self-control, etc... and there are quite likely some parents who may feel that way about me... so why should academics be different? Just because the state has a program? (A program, I might add, which often serves to undermind instead of support my own personal belief system and my own personal attitude toward self-confidence and self-control.)
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Somehow I get the impression that if they were to keep everything about the public school system in place, including the classes being taught and the current curriculum ... but replace all public school teachers with accredited nuns, then suddenly all those in favor of this would be against it. 
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Puke... Exactly what I did after reading your condescending spin on what I have written here... Just because you don't see why doesn't mean what you want to happen should... Are parents qualified to teach their kids, is one of the big questions? Generally no. Some are yes. Majority are not, Some people are qualified to be parents and some aren't but there are no laws that stop that and that is another judgment call. Never wrote that the government or politicians should take your kids or force you to do anything you don't want to do with or for your kids... didn't insinuate that either. Poor effort.  Parents aren't teaching professionals. Nor should they be representing themselves to be. Teaching is a profession. Just like the positions I used in my examples in my last reply. You don't se many mechanics teaching their kids calculus... Teaching them how to work on a Ford or BMW would be a great idea though...  Get the lawyers and politicians out of education, great idea! How do you proposed to do that? Since when does "how do we" mean turn "it" over to the government? I believe I suggested we as parents and concerned citizens get involved and do something... And gave a few ideas... So what the heck are you blabbering about turning it over to the government about... Read man read... You should be surprised and ashamed of your self for doing what you despise, to me... Wrongly, twisting what I wrote and labeling me without justification or cause... You haven't come up with any ideas here on how to improve the situation you've just shared your opinions and one sided views... You live in Maryland and you're banging California? Come on... Hum... Go ahead and puke you'll feel better... Or take a big step back, grab a couple deep breaths, clear you mind and take another look at this when you can do so rationally.
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Are parents qualified to teach their kids, is one of the big questions? Generally no. Some are yes. Majority are not
Did you click the link I posted? Looks like home schooled children generally score better than their public school counterparts. And kids with "credentialed" parents scored no better or worse than kids with non-credentialed parents.
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Never wrote that the government or politicians should take your kids or force you to do anything you don't want to do with or for your kids... didn't insinuate that either.
Uh, did you read the article?? The government is forcing you to hand over your kids to the public school system (unless you can afford private school), and that is something I don't want to do with my kids (among many other people) ... you are applauding the move.
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Parents aren't teaching professionals. Nor should they be representing themselves to be. Teaching is a profession. Just like the positions I used in my examples in my last reply. You don't se many mechanics teaching their kids calculus... Teaching them how to work on a Ford or BMW would be a great idea though...
So teaching is a profession ... big deal. Car mechanic is a profession, so is nursing, so is being a hooker.
Most of those jobs can be done just fine, if not better, by regular "non-certified" individuals. If standardized testing is any indication ... so can teaching.
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Since when does "how do we" mean turn "it" over to the government? I believe I suggested we as parents and concerned citizens get involved and do something... And gave a few ideas... So what the heck are you blabbering about turning it over to the government about... Read man read...
How about you "read"? The original article is stating that California is now forcing kids to attend public school if you can't get accreditation yourself. You're turning this into a "how do we fix the public school system" debate. You want solutions, how about NOT forcing more kids into already over-crowded class rooms?
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Are parents qualified to teach their kids, is one of the big questions? Generally no. Some are yes. Majority are not
Why should it matter if they are qualified by college degree or otherwise? They are the parents.
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Some people are qualified to be parents and some aren't but there are no laws that stop that and that is another judgment call.
Exactly.. so if the state is going to mandate that you must be qualified to teach your kids, then perhaps next they'll mandate that you must be a minister/priest to teach them religion... or that you need to be a licensed psychologist to work with them on other issues... I'm not a certified mechanic but I'm still allowed to teach him to change his brakes (which if he gets it wrong it could kill him) but since I don't have a degree in education I'm not qualified to teach him to add? That's total BS.
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Never wrote that the government or politicians should take your kids or force you to do anything you don't want to do with or for your kids... didn't insinuate that either. Poor effort.
Yes you did. You stated quite clearly that because I do not have a degree in education that the government should be able to force me to send my kids to THEM for an education and that I should not be allowed to provide that education myself. Do I need to go back and get the quotes?
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You don't se many mechanics teaching their kids calculus... Teaching them how to work on a Ford or BMW would be a great idea though...
So should a high school math teacher be allowed to teach his kid how to change his oil?
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You haven't come up with any ideas here on how to improve the situation you've just shared your opinions and one sided views...
Improve what situation, public education? I've given countless suggestions on how to improve public education in the past but that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about whether or not a parent should have the right to opt their own kids out of public education and teach them themselves... and I say they should whether they have a teaching degree or not.
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No, I live in North Carolina... and yes, I'm banging on California because this, like smoking bans, no-spanking laws, and other forms of government over-involvement have a way of migrating from state to state.. so yes, I get concerned when other states enact crap like this.
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Are parents qualified to teach their kids, is one of the big questions? Generally no. Some are yes. Majority are not,
If you're talking all parents everywhere, I might agree with you.
However, instead of talking about ALL parents, let's talk about the parents that actually DO home school, okay?
From what I've read on here, and from what I've personally seen in my life, the parents that home school do a good job - better than the "accredited" teachers in public schools that are attempting to deal with 25 or more students at the same time.
Since the home schooled have to pass state tests, there is already a check and balance in place.
Having a "degree" to teach means nothing when you get right down to it.
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migrating from state to state
That is whats wrong with Nevada, although I am from Ohio, most Nevadan's hate the people from Cal. Because they bring their value's and vote for the same damn thing's that are in that state that will float out into the ocean in time.
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Not all teachers are qualified either. 
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To those of you against homeschooling...have you even read any of the links given in this thread? Have you read the statistics? My guess is *most* of you are just responding based on emotion, not brain power. Check out the links, give yourself a ten minute education on the subject, then come back and give concrete reasons for being anti-homeschool. (Click here since you won't go looking for the LINK.) Also, people keep saying parents should be certified to teach their own children, but they don't give solid arguments for feeling that way. If, in fact, this were the case, none of us should teach our children anything until they reach school age and the government gets them. No ABC's, no 1+1, no colors, shapes, or words. PERIOD. Like it or not we are all teachers -- long before pre-school or Kindergarten.
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I read them(or large parts)....I still think it raises goofy children. Part of growing up is being around other kids....and not always kids they like or you want them to be around.
But again....that is just my opinion.
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I don't believe everything I read... espeially here... Neither should you... IMO How many kids around the country are home schooled? Why? How many are publically educated? Why? How many are privately educated? Why? What are the ratio's: students to teachers in the above cases? Generally speaking, there have been examples given as to why most people shouldn't teach their own kids... Many of you don't acknowledge those reasons because you don't agreewith them. The same reasons many of you are saying that those of us who don't believe in home schooling. For me to consider the links and information viable I would need to see the numbers nationally, for every state, for every school public, private and home schools included. Remember stats are for losers and figures don't lie, but liars sure figure...  It's ludicris to compare a one student home school to a big public or private school in anywhere USA... Guess it time for many of you to start throwing books over board...  I wonder how many "teachers" we would need in our country alone if all parents homeschooled? Hey maybe we're on to something... Could be part of a new progressive economic stimulus package or program nation wide... Bottom line, example, let's say I want to keep my two kids home and I'm a bigoted, nazi loving Steeler fan... Are you all OK with the education my kids are going to recieve and at some point be turned loose on our society? Keep in mind this will be funded with your tax dollars? If not who gets to decide? This one reason is why our brilliant forefathers separated church and state...
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Generally speaking, there have been examples given as to why most people shouldn't teach their own kids... Many of you don't acknowledge those reasons because you don't agreewith them.
I have reread the thread and all I see as a reason for not homeschooling is that the parent isn't "certified", children won't be socialized properly, and homeschooling would retard them. What am I missing?
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Bottom line, example, let's say I want to keep my two kids home and I'm a bigoted, nazi loving Steeler fan... Are you all OK with the education my kids are going to recieve and at some point be turned loose on our society? Keep in mind this will be funded with your tax dollars? If not who gets to decide?
You act like that example is different from many public school systems, yet it isn't.
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This is just to me another example of politicians being idiots and also letting agendas dominate over what truly is right in the end. I feel as though it is a right for the parents to teach their students, not some privlige or where you have to undergo ridiculous tests to do so. Who's to say that this corrupt board of education there doesn't make the certification tests virtually impossible only to get more students and money?
This is mainly a democrat idea here, and I see one bit of hypocrisy. They play this gungho sounding "we care all about the rights of Americans, and stand strong against the Patriot Act as it is a violation of our Constitution" and then, for THEIR little platform, education, which they've really always been in control of, take the freedoms of parents away to educate their children as THEY see fit. Just a bit of hypocrisy I feel kind of shows a bit of both parties contradicting what they really believe in and act on... neither is better than the other on this crap....
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I don't believe everything I read... espeially here... Neither should you... IMO
Why because it doesn't agree with your agenda?
I did a google search for "home school better than public school" and came up with all kinds of search results and stats showing home schooling was better than public schooling. I did a search for "public schools better than home schooling" ... and I came up with no stats, and mostly just links back to the home schooling is better stuff.
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How many kids around the country are home schooled? Why?
How many are publically educated? Why?
How many are privately educated? Why?
Why does it matter? 
Most of it boils down to parental preference, and that's the way it SHOULD be.
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What are the ratio's: students to teachers in the above cases?
Why does it matter? Unless you are insinuating that because public school teachers have more students, their students score worse ... in which case, I'd much rather my kid be home schooled and get the better education.
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Generally speaking, there have been examples given as to why most people shouldn't teach their own kids... Many of you don't acknowledge those reasons because you don't agreewith them. The same reasons many of you are saying that those of us who don't believe in home schooling.
And like Michelle said ... what exactly are those reason? Most seem like generalized personal opinions rather than solid facts, backed by statistics ... kind of like the one's the pro-homeschooling people were able to provide.
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I wonder how many "teachers" we would need in our country alone if all parents homeschooled? Hey maybe we're on to something... Could be part of a new progressive economic stimulus package or program nation wide...
Okay, you are just acting dumb now ... there's NO progressive movement to dump the public education system and home-school all children. The issue is that all parents that were home-schooling their kids just fine, can no longer do so, and must turn thier kids over to the government.
You keep acting like everyone wants to dump the public education system, and we are directly attacking the public system. The debate is about the government now FORCING parents to send kids to public school systems, which is a blatent attack on personal rights.
There will still be plenty of parents who don't have the time or knowledge to home school their kids and will send thier kids to public school.
What you also keep forgetting is that all home-schooled kids are TESTED to verify that they are actually learning the things they are supposed to be learning. As long as they are passing those tests, why should it matter if they are taught by an accredited person, a non-accredited person, or kermit the frog??
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Bottom line, example, let's say I want to keep my two kids home and I'm a bigoted, nazi loving Steeler fan... Are you all OK with the education my kids are going to recieve and at some point be turned loose on our society?
They are YOUR kids ... so you can do what you see fit. If they don't start passing the standardized tests that go along with homeschooling, then you'll probably have some answering to do ... and since you are into rediculous, stereotypical examples ... would it be better instead if you sent your kids to a public school to be taught by a pedophilic, communist-loving Ravens fan?
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Keep in mind this will be funded with your tax dollars? If not who gets to decide?
How is home school funded by my tax dollars? And who gets to decide how my kids are educated? Me or the government?
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This has ZERO to do with church and state. This is parents deciding what's best for thier OWN kids ... they could be complete atheists, and if they don't like what the public school system is offering, then they should be able to teach their kids themselves.
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Many of you don't acknowledge those reasons because you don't agreewith them. The same reasons many of you are saying that those of us who don't believe in home schooling.
Here, see if this argument rings a bell.. If you don't agree with homeschooling, then don't do it. But don't deny others the right to do it. That's all we're saying.
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Bottom line, example, let's say I want to keep my two kids home and I'm a bigoted, nazi loving Steeler fan... Are you all OK with the education my kids are going to recieve and at some point be turned loose on our society? Keep in mind this will be funded with your tax dollars? If not who gets to decide?
Yes, I'm ok with it. Sorry, they are the parents and if that's how they want to raise their kids, then that is their right and, while we're at it... I didn't think the public schools were supposed to teach morals (and being a bigot, a nazi, and a steelers fan are all moral issues)? Evidently they are, if you don't agree with the morals at home....  Now, please explain how this homeschooling is funded with my tax dollars? If anything it's the other way around, their tax dollars are still going into the public school system to help educate other kids even though their own kids are not attending.
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Boise, what in the wide wide world of sports does this have to do with the separation of church and state? It's about homeschooling... and if you really want to dig into it, go ahead and do some research on what our forefathers said about public education.. (Here's a hint: You won't find anything because there was no such thing as public education in the late 1700s) All of the brilliant forefathers, they were homeschooled. 
Of course I think this does shed some light on the biggest problem you have with it... You envision most homeschoolers as religious zealots who just want to isolate their children and teach them biblical principles and not academic principles... and who don't want the public schools teaching them about sex and drugs and other things.... well if that's the way you view it, and I strongly suspect that it is, then that is your opinion.. but you need to get over it and let the parents raise their kids.
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Of course I think this does shed some light on the biggest problem you have with it... You envision most homeschoolers as religious zealots who just want to isolate their children and teach them biblical principles and not academic principles... and who don't want the public schools teaching them about sex and drugs and other things.... well if that's the way you view it, and I strongly suspect that it is, then that is your opinion.. but you need to get over it and let the parents raise their kids.
Now this brings up an interesting point. Take the Amish for example. They are a simple community that doesn't believe in anything "modernistic". I don't know if the teachers they use are state accredited or not, but if they weren't, wouldn't it be against their religion to force their kids to attend public schools to use computers and the like?
Everyone loves to throw out the "seperation of church and state" argument, but shouldn't it also works both ways? Wouldn't this be "prohibiting the free excercise" of a religion? ... I mean, since those are words that are actually in the Constitution?
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It would...and that is why people can become conscientious objectors or take non-combatant roles....Like the Quakers or Amish. It is why they run their own schools too.
But states have to right to ensure that certain standards are met.
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You mean like they do for homeschoolers?
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The state isn't involed in Amish schools, as far as I know. Nor should they be.
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And you don't have an ageda? My adgenda on this is that I believe that any and all schools should be certified and I believe that teaching is a profession. If the ratios don't matter then what does... And then why are we having this discussion?  If you want to home school your kids then do it. I'm not going to stop you. If you live in Cali or anywhere else that doesn't allow it then move. So if stats are posted like Michelle's is that going to change your minds? Cause they are out there? And this request isn't displaying criteria, an agenda? So you truly believe that Cali just said no more homeschooling for no reason without statistics? Come on... Thats just being dumb.  I was just pulling a DC with my how many teachers would we need gag... If it's OK for one it's OK for the many... If we bag public schools, the homeschools would want to be funded by tax funds. Thats one of many reasons for the home school issue. The funding requests by schools outside the credited, certified public and private schools. Chruch and state does have merit... Why are religeous schools private? Who decides how much taxes you pay? How much social security you pay? How much of your taxes are used for roads? How much of your taxes go for the armed forces? Who decides how much.... and on and on...
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Fine.
Home schoolers are somewhat of a cult....and many think religion is somewhat cultish....let them do what they want.
If keeping your kids sequestered in the confines of the home with Mom and Dad is a good idea....do it.
The problem as I see it isn't with good folks like most who post here....it is probably aimed at the "cults" who think morning chants is somehow educating their kids.
Would a guy like Charlie Manson be a good home school teacher??
I know that is a extreme, but it seems to me many are opposed to some certification assuming the parent is going to do a good job.
Face it, Dumb shouldn't be trying to raise Dumber even if it was a popular movie.
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Holy crap. I've seen it all. LOL. A cult? The Charles Manson thing....are you serious?? With that logic......There certainly are a number of pedophiles being found in the teaching ranks. 
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And you don't have an ageda? My adgenda on this is that I believe that any and all schools should be certified and I believe that teaching is a profession.
I have an agenda, that a parents rights to raise the child the way they see fit trumps the states rights to raise the child the way it sees fit. That's my agenda. Schools should be certified and teaching is a profession, however parenting trumps them both.
It's like working on your house. Typically if you need an electrician to pull a permit to do work on your house, he has to be a licensed electrician to protect you from getting ripped off and provide a level of assurance that you are getting a safe and complete job. However, if you want to pull your own electrical permit because you think you are capable of working on your own home, then you are allowed... it's the same with teaching. If you are sending the kids out then the state provides a level of protection by certifying the school and the teachers but if you want to do it yourself, then have at it.
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No, you don't move. You stand and fight it.
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If we bag public schools, the homeschools would want to be funded by tax funds.
The percentages aren't even close to a level necessary to justify this part of the conversation. Most schools in growing areas are painfully overcrowded. You'd think the states would be begging parents to homeschool so they could get the tax money but not have to teach the kid... If it did get to that point though, there would be no need for homeschoolers to be funded by tax money, just stop taxing them the amount that goes to public schools now... that would be enough.
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Chruch and state does have merit... Why are religeous schools private?
So that the public schools can teach kids not to be a bigot or a nazi... and religious schools can say that God says you shouldn't be a bigot or a nazi.
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Who decides how much taxes you pay? How much social security you pay? How much of your taxes are used for roads? How much of your taxes go for the armed forces? Who decides how much.... and on and on...
I'm surprised this thread has stayed on topic as long as it has...
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I don't have a problem with home schooling at all. If the home school teachers are qualified, certified, credited teaching professionals.
I also don't have a problem with religious education in any instance, as long as those students are being taught by certified, credited teaching professionals.
My son is a product of the public schools system and is an honors graduate of Boise State University with a Masters in political science and a BA in art history. He is a fully functional adult earning a good living in his chosen profession.
My son has 4 friends who were home schooled and they are good people. All attained their GED's. None have graduated from college nor are any those friends still attending college. All of his friends who were educate via public schools or private schools have graduated college or are still in college working towards masters, doctorates or in law school. But maybe that’s just coincidence.
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Someone sent me this...and I think it's only fair to argue FOR public school....
Why Public Schooling Is Better Than Homeschooling ~ Scott Ott
1. Most parents were educated in the underfunded public school system, and so are not smart enough to homeschool their own children.
2. Children who receive one-on-one homeschooling will learn more than others, giving them an unfair advantage in the marketplace. This is undemocratic.
3. How can children learn to defend themselves unless they have to fight off bullies on a daily basis?
4. Ridicule from other children is important to the socialization process.
5. Children in public schools can get more practice "Just Saying No" to drugs, cigarettes and alcohol.
6. Fluorescent lighting may have significant health benefits.
7. Publicly asking permission to go to the bathroom teaches young people their place in society.
8. The fashion industry depends upon the peer pressure that only public schools can generate.
9. Public schools foster cultural literacy, passing on important traditions like the singing of "Jingle Bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg..."
10. Homeschooled children may not learn important office career skills,like how to sit still for six hours straight.
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So, if I have children and decide to homeschool them I'm dumb? Nice, very nice, Ballpeen.
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If the ratios don't matter then what does... And then why are we having this discussion?
Uh ... because this topic is about the government telling parents how to raise and educate their kids?? I don't know what you keep trying to debate here, but you keep going off on some weird tangents. Tell me again why do ratios matter, and why that would have anything to do with why parents shouldn't be allowed to teach kids as they see fit?
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So you truly believe that Cali just said no more homeschooling for no reason without statistics? Come on... Thats just being dumb.
Oh no ... California definitly had a reason ... and it has nothing to do with "it's better for the kids ... look at these statistics". It's strictly about more money into the system, since more students = more federal cash.
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If we bag public schools, the homeschools would want to be funded by tax funds...
Good gawd boise, would you get off this whole "bag public schools" trip?!? Nobody is asking to get rid of public schools here! This is strictly about the rights of parents to teach their own kids. Stop acting like wanting the option to home school our children is akin to wanting to abolish the entire public school system.
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Chruch and state does have merit... Why are religeous schools private?
What do private schools have to do with home schooling? What the heck does home schooling your own kids have to do with church and state?? Church is still out of the public system, and parents can teach their kids whatever the heck they want ... home school or public school regardless. As long as kids are passing standardized tests, church and state is completely irrelevant.
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Uh ... could you stay on topic here?
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Home schoolers are somewhat of a cult....
If by "cult" you mean that they tend to share common values, common goals and objectives, share information and such, then I completely agree.
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My son is a product of the public schools system and is an honors graduate of Boise State University with a Masters in political science and a BA in art history. He is a fully functional adult earning a good living in his chosen profession.
My son has 4 friends who were home schooled and they are good people. All attained their GED's. None have graduated from college nor are any those friends still attending college. All of his friends who were educate via public schools or private schools have graduated college or are still in college working towards masters, doctorates or in law school. But maybe that’s just coincidence.
That's great Boise. I was public school educated and got my masters from Virginia Tech, with 2 homeschooled kids in my class... the kid that recently killed 30 at Va Tech was a product of the public schools... So to answer your question, yes, I think your numbers are as much coincidence as anything.
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If by "cult" you mean that they tend to share common values, common goals and objectives, share information and such, then I completely agree.
Doesn't that describe the NEA?
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Holy crap. I've seen it all. LOL. A cult?
The Charles Manson thing....are you serious?? With that logic......There certainly are a number of pedophiles being found in the teaching ranks.
Like I said....it was the extreme, but one has to examine all ends of the spectrum.
OK....let me offer this thought I had wile preparing my salad.
I think it is impossible to teach somebody everything that you know. I also think it impossible to teach someone more than you know.
With all people there are going to be limits on what they can teach and what they can't. Even Harvard professors have limits on what they can teach. It is hard to teach Greek if you never studied it.
As a child progresses through the years, his/her teachers become more specialized in their learning and thus, more qualified to teach the subject in more depth.
Some parents may be able to do this, many can't.
I would also like to see the "stats" on what happens to the home schoolers who do fall behind...and there has to be some. It goes back to my original post...all of these 160,000 kids aren't the gifted kids...some have to be(for lack of a more direct term)dumb as stumps.
I wonder what their failure rate is when it is found out the kid is 2-3 years behind, the parents have taken the kid as far as they can and now drop him/her off in a public school???.....Then you have some 13 year old sitting in a 4th grade classroom. I think we all know how long that is going to last.
Like I said...I am not against it, but I am for making sure Mom or Dad has the capacity to be able to teach the kid to a certain level.
All of us could teach a 1st grader...some of us would begin to falter as early as 4th grade.....others later.
It may be a process of saying you are qualified to teach jr. or sissy through the 5th grade, or 9th grade....or all the way....or not at all.
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Did you even read what I posted for you yesterday?? Homeschooled kids don't get THAT far behind because they are tested just like public school children.
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Did you even read what I posted for you yesterday?? Homeschooled kids don't get THAT far behind because they are tested just like public school children.
A point which just keeps getting ignored over and over.
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From Clark Howard: http://clarkhoward.com/shownotes/2008/03/10/#13313...California outlaws home schooling Clark is glad that he doesn't have high blood pressure, because he'd be steaming right now! The California Court of Appeals has outlawed home schooling. They want parents who wish to take on the burden and challenge of teaching their kids at home to be criminalized. This is an outrageous infringement on personal liberty. The home schooling movement started in the fundamentalist Christian community, but it's since crossed over to about 2 million people of all types. Clark's concern is that as goes California, so goes the nation. Our Soviet-style monopoly school system is not succeeding, so home-schooling must not be outlawed. How does the U.S. rank academically? A recent international test of 10th graders shows that we're sandwiched between Latvia and Lithuania in the middle of the list. Finland has the highest achieving students in the world. The Scandinavian nation doesn't have a government-mandated curriculum; every teacher must decide for him or herself what to teach. Finnish teachers are not well compensated, but people clamor for the job because they can be true entrepreneurs in the classroom. Finnish classrooms don't use modern technology and kids don't start school until age 7. We here in the U.S. have got to get out of our "one size fits all" mindset where we spend fortunes on education for no meaningful results. Think this doesn't affect you because you don't have kids? Huge amount of your taxes are still spent to support schools that are failures. ***By the way, here's the ranking list: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-FINN080229-sort.html?s=1&ps=false&a=up
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Just clickin, I'm all for home schooling but there does have to be some kind of standards or regulations set for parents to be able to teach. Like Peen just said its impossible to teach someone more then you know. Thats why when kids get to middle school they have different teachers for different subjects. By teaching the same subject or subjects every year it allows the teacher to become quite verse in that subject where as a parent teaching all the subjects is probably not going to know as much in any certain subject thus the child will not either. I'd hate to see a redneck home school their kids without any regulation. Instead of learning to do multiplication or division they would be teaching them how to pick up a date at a family reunion or how to pick your nose with your big toe.
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Did you even read what I posted for you yesterday?? Homeschooled kids don't get THAT far behind because they are tested just like public school children.
Did you read my reply when you asked it as a generic???.....yes....or large parts. so no DC...I am not ignoring it.
How about answering my question???
The fact you don't think parents should be required to show some degree of ability is selfish IMO....it is my country too.
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How about answering my question???
Sorry, didn't see you ask a question...
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The fact you don't think parents should be required to show some degree of ability is selfish IMO....it is my country too.
But my kids aren't yours. Anyway, as has been stated more times than I can count (because I went to public school and only have 10 fingers and 10 toes), the ability of the parent will be reflected in the test scores of their children. It's a simple concept...if I suck as a teacher, my kid will get low test scores. If that happens, they get put into public or private school.
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