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hehe, good to see that we made a bunch of steel city homers sad  The big question after reading that stuff though is thi: Where does he fit in in CleveTown?
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At center or RG.
I guess it isn't out of the question he could beat out Fraley.
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Just my .02, i dont think Phil is looking to trade anybody off of the O-line, They played great the first year together and will only get better with playing with each other year after year,
Phil knows better than to mess with something that worked, fix what didnt work and leave alone what did. These last to guys were signed for depth this year and possible back-ups for Tucker down the road.
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As a starting center or guard, Hadnot is below-average, but as a backup, he's as good as there is.
To add a few points..first McKinnie..I think it's safe to say the Browns feel he is too risky to have back..plus he's not the best run blocker there is.
So I look at this as Seth's replacement at the interior, plus Hadnot is versitile..
Second..Phil is looking in the draft to see if there may be any quality linemen on the second day he can get..there should be about 3 or 4 but it will be hard to say if they're be there when the Browns come up.
If not he's got a young guy who is there..
I also feel he may want to look for a OT to groom , and if so get your interior set and look for a tackle to bring up.
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Pretty simple, no one wanted him as a starter. The truth is Hadnot was an experienced starter on teams with horrible offensive lines.
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BB...I am thinking that is the probable reason. If not this year, then next.
I think Shaffer's contract escalates to an ungodly number sometime soon, as do a lot of these 6 and 7 year deals. If so, that tells you when he's gone.
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To add a few points..first McKinnie..I think it's safe to say the Browns feel he is too risky to have back..plus he's not the best run blocker there is.
I happen to feel that he's better in the run-game than Hadnot, but injuries keep him off the field. Remember, I've watched both for several seasons as they both came from Miami. Also, since McKinnie hasn't been snatched up yet, don't rule out the chance he could be back.
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So I look at this as Seth's replacement at the interior, plus Hadnot is versitile..
I think I get your point, but it's not like Hadnot has the kind of versatility that McKinnie didn't have. Seth played center and guard as well.
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Second..Phil is looking in the draft to see if there may be any quality linemen on the second day he can get..there should be about 3 or 4 but it will be hard to say if they're be there when the Browns come up.
If not he's got a young guy who is there..
I also feel he may want to look for a OT to groom , and if so get your interior set and look for a tackle to bring up.
I disagree completely. Shaffer is locked in at RT and Thomas at LT. Groom a tackle for what? Shaffer is hardly old as he just turned 28.
I'd expect that Savage will do nothing more than list his players and pick from the best of the bunch. If it happens to be a linemen, then so be it, but I can't imagine he's going in looking for someone. If he does have an eye on a certain position, I'd guess defensive front-7, TE, or even a RB in a RB-rich draft.
Something else I wanted to say last night but forgot (though it's probably been added by someone allready) because of the age of Fraley and Tucker, this gives Hadnot the chance to audition for a future job and a bigger payday as the unquestioned starter at one of those positions.
As a signing as a pure starter, I wouldn't care for this deal, but as a guy who's going to "compete" *cough* and most likely become a versatile backup, sure, I likey.
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BB...I am thinking that is the probable reason. If not this year, then next.
I think Shaffer's contract escalates to an ungodly number sometime soon, as do a lot of these 6 and 7 year deals. If so, that tells you when he's gone.
Negative.
Shaffer's contract was actually a team-friendly contract. It's the kind that a player actually completes. So unless he plays himself out of his position, he's here through the 2010 season.
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Isn't Shaffer somewhere in the $6 million a year range? He signed a 6yr/$36 milllion deal, so it all depends on the structure. Around $6 million is a bargain for a good offensive lineman, especially a tackle. Quote:
I think Shaffer's contract escalates to an ungodly number sometime soon, as do a lot of these 6 and 7 year deals. If so, that tells you when he's gone.
That would suck because then the Browns have no RT. Tucker is D-U-N at RT. His knees and back are gone. He played great at RG and he did well at RT for a few plays here and there which is what Tucker is at this point.
I don't think Shaffer goes anywhere unless it's a deal that includes a first day pick and a starting RT.
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I think I get your point, but it's not like Hadnot has the kind of versatility that McKinnie didn't have. Seth played center and guard as well.
I didn't say there was a difference in their versatility..my thoughts concern Mckinnie's health ..I think they feel he's damaged enough that he'd get hurt again.
I disagree completely. Shaffer is locked in at RT and Thomas at LT. Groom a tackle for what? Shaffer is hardly old as he just turned 28.
Just going on what the GM said..they wanted to bring in young linemen and groom them the right way..since we have young interior linemen it would be logical to groom either a center or a young OT/OG swingman..
Remember these players will go on the PS ..not the active roster.
If you figure Dorsey is a waste,and more than likely gone, you'd want another OT on the squad to be ready one day.
Which brings me to my last thought..Sowells..whats the deal with him?
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You know as much about Sowells as I do. Maybe more. The only news I've ever heard at any point is that he was hurt, which is pretty sad considering he never played in games, hehehe.
As for OT's, if we're talking about getting guys for depth, that's one thing. I took your comments about "grooming one" to be as a starter.
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My comments about OT's stemmed from Savage saying since the Oline is set.. now they could draft young guys and groom them the right way(not rushing them on the field). He had mentioned Tucker's age at one point so it had to be something he was thinking about. Plus since DnD's favorite OT  hasn't panned out he's probably gone.. 
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Shaffer is being paid way to much money for the production he gives, so if the Browns can unload him and move Tucker back to RT while Hadnot steps in at RG might be the reason behind this signing. I like Shaffer at RT, but not for LT money. I THINK Shaffer was signed for $17 mil over six years, which was more than what Bentley got.
Now don't get me wrong, the last thing I want to see is a downgrade on the OL this year, but if Shaffer were traded for a 2nd round pick, where Savage used it on a new RT to groom, I might just think it would be a good move.
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"I THINK Shaffer was signed for $17 mil over six years," $36 million over 6 years. Tucker can no longer play RT, as someone mentioned above. Shaffer played pretty darn good IMO, I can't see Phil trading him now that the Oline finally has been determined after all these years, and actually had time to gel. They are actually considered one of the best. Why would you break that up to start a RG that was just released from the worst line in the league? Friedman and Hadnot=two quality back-up Olineman who can play more than one position. Tucker at Rg was one of the best moves made last year. He's huge and strong, and the running game benifitted from it. As for Shaffer's production, why do you believe it was sub-standard? Quote:
Now don't get me wrong, the last thing I want to see is a downgrade on the OL this year, but if Shaffer were traded for a 2nd round pick, where Savage used it on a new RT to groom, I might just think it would be a good move.
So let me get this right, you don't want a downgrade, but you want to trade our starting RT for a rookie RT to groom?  Good move? 
By doing this, you hurt two positions on the line. Shaffer outplayed Tucker at RT or Tucker would have been starting. Hadnot is not as good a RG as Tucker. To me, that is a big downgrade, not to mention a continuity killer. 
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eryze19akaBT58, first off, I never said that Shaffer was playing sub-standard, I said that I did not think he was playing at the level of what he was being payed and Savage must not have thought that as well seeing that he drafted a LT to replace Shaffer.
Second, Shaffer never outplayed Tucker at RT, which is why Tucker was the starting RT while Shaffer sat on the bench. Tucker moved to RG when McKinney got injured, this is the only reason why Shaffer started at RT.
I said that if Savage was able to replace Shaffer with a draft pick from a trade I would be all for it, for I do not think it would be very hard to find a solid RT to match that of Shaffer.
$36mil is a large amount of money to pay for a RT who only played due to and injury.
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Second, Shaffer never outplayed Tucker at RT, which is why Tucker was the starting RT while Shaffer sat on the bench.
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You heard it here first!
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Second, Shaffer never outplayed Tucker at RT, which is why Tucker was the starting RT while Shaffer sat on the bench.
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Just as a kind hint here, since you're new....
Make sure your facts are straight when you post, Especially when you are correcting another poster. Otherwise you will get owned on these boards.
For the record, Shaffer started all 16 games at RT. Tucker started the season under suspension for Performance Enhancing drugs. After his suspension was up, he was relegated to a backup role for a couple weeks until McKinney went down in week 8, at which point he took over the starting RG spot for the rest of the season. Besides a couple downs here and there, Tucker never played RT last year.
Shaffer's 6 year $36 million dollar deal is well in line for an above average starting RT in this league, especially given his combination of youth and starting experience (around 60 starts and only 28).
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He's not really new. Been a member since Oct. '06, but rarely ever posts. Must just read a lot, which means he should know better.
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Plus what did that RT Woody sign for this offseason? 50 million? I say looking at it now the KS has a pretty reasonable contract for a starting RT who is legit.
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Let them develop chemistry....jeez every time we got something good going someone wants to trade a piece of it away 
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That's what I keep thinking. Remember people, Our starting LT was a ROOKIE. I know that is hard for some of you to beleive  , but he is only going to get BETTER. Our LG was in his 1st yr. playing in a new system next to a ROOKIE LT !! our right side went from McKinney to Tucker (who hadn't played guard in YEARS), and had Schaffer who had to make a switch from LT.
This line is only going to get better guys. Every one of the guys exempt for maybe Fraley, was doing something new last yr., wether it was a new team, a new position or a jump in levels.
Also remember that our O-Coordinater wasn't really sure what he had either. He now knows their strenghts and weaknesses (what few there are ), and that will also play into the game.
While I believe we had a top half of the league, maybe top ten, O-line last yr., I feel that this yr. we have the chance to have a top 5 O-line.
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I hadnot heard of this guy, is he any good?
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Not to pick nits, but this is the first time we got something good going ...
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