Quote: African Diaspora - The African diaspora was the movement of Africans and their descendants to places throughout the world such as the Americas, Europe, Asia, and Australia.
So, the answer is that slavery is the primary cause of the African Diaspora. If you have further elements to add in regards to the African Diaspora, please do so.
Quote: Of course - another stupid statement, if the Diaspora he is talking about is the definition I gave not, slavery dimwit!
And I still don't have a clue as to what the African Diaspora that you are referring to entails. Please tell us. Share with us your unbounded wisdom!
Oh! You can't?! Why not?! I see! You're making vague references to nothing in particular and without any knowledgeable construct.
Quote: And since you so knowledgeable about slavery and the parts that the Africans played, did they know that the Europeans were enslaving people in Chattel slavery??
I gather that they did since many parts of Africa still practice slavery, including chattel slavery.
Quote: And do you know who started Chattel slavery?? So please talk about what you know, which is not much!!
The British instituted what is called Chattel slavery today in Barbados (1636), but slavery is slavery whether your childen are slaves by birth or not.
Quote: But you do hear them stating their support for their homelands, just like anyone else from anywhere else here in America!
Absolutely not! All the people in my family that immigrated here left their loyalties to their nations of birth at the door.
Quote: And here in America, a person can agree or disagree with the statements of his pastor!
And they could in Germany too in 1521 when Martin Luther (an unabashed anti-Semite) nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the church in Worms.
Quote: Which Obama said he disagreed with. But of course that is never good enough! Also, my first pick was Biden, but now Obama 08!!
Unfortunately for Obama, his rejections of the reverend's comments only comes after the firestorm has begun. Furthermore, unfortunately you are judged by the company that you keep and his wife has made comments that are derogatory towards this country.
Call me a cynic, but I don't believe Obama when he says that he rejects the ideas espoused by the reverend.
I guess when they say reading is fundamental, I guess they should also say comprehension because your cannot comprehend nothing. When that church talks about "HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA."( in there 10 point plan, they are talking about educating people of and about African decent people throughout the DIASPORA!! That is not talking about slavery, because slavery caused the Diaspora. Diaspora = any group that has been dispersed outside its traditional homeland. So its not talking about slavery, they are talking about educating African people throughout the world....
Quote: I gather that they did since many parts of Africa still practice slavery, including chattel slavery.
Really, where?? Where do Africans practice slavery today?
Quote: Absolutely not! All the people in my family that immigrated here left their loyalties to their nations of birth at the door.
So what that you do not support the place your people immigrated from. That does not mean there are not people/groups/religions that do!! And all of them well known!!
And By the way, what has Michelle said anti-American?? Or was it a quote that your read and not the entire speech!!..Again, yea of little knowledge!!
You can do what you want DNC but why not stop with the name calling an insults and keep the discussion civil??
I dont think it is UnAmerican to show support to the country of your roots, I am third generation American from British immigrants and I do things like root for England in the world cup of soccer but I would never support them over the USA in any aspect.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
OSU, You are right, Sudan practices slavery(rape, killings..etc) against the non-arab decent Sudanese! But the reason I was not going to include them is that their govt sees themselves as almost an arabic state.. ( why I never know) but hopefully the African Union, the UN (joke), and other groups can stem that tide.
King, But who said they were supporting the continent over the US?? Just like alot of groups, they might support their home country but not over US. And as far as soccer, man that goes without saying as far as supporting your home country. There are some hard rooting people for that World Cup. We here have no idea the pressure that is put on those teams. Even in friendlies!!
Quote: King, But who said they were supporting the continent over the US??
Well he did say " God damn the USA" . Of course if you listen to his whole speeches he didnt exactly come across as very intelligent. I mean damn he is a preacher using rap lyrics in his hate mongering sermons.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't know where places like Mauritania, Sudan, and Nigeria are. Just chalk it up to more things that you don't know a thing about.
Quote: So what that you do not support the place your people immigrated from.
I absolutely do not. I couldn't care less about the nations that my ancestors came from. Do I have a connection to them? Sure. But I don't go around saying "God damn America!"
Quote: And By the way, what has Michelle said anti-American?? Or was it a quote that your read and not the entire speech!!..Again, yea of little knowledge!!
For the first time in her adult lifetime, she is really proud of her country? Are she serious? Oh! The oppression that she has felt while attending Princeton and Harvard must have been horrible!
She's just as much a fraud as her husband and the righteous Reverend Wright.
The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.
Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.
Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.
As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.
Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.
Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.
With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.
Quote: Obama Prepares For Full Assault On Clinton's Ethics
The Chicago Tribune reports that Barack Obama's is pushing this week for greater transparency in his campaign as part of a plan to launch a head-on attack against his opponent Sen. Clinton.
Sen. Barack Obama is trying to air his dirty laundry -- even some items that might appear just a little wrinkled -- as he prepares a full assault on Sen. Hillary Clinton over ethics and transparency.
On Saturday he invoked Robert F. Kennedy as he continued to try to distance himself from controversial statements made by his former Chicago pastor that are circulating on the Internet.
With a gap between campaign contests, Obama is trying to unload controversies. On Friday he held extended conversations with the Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times about his longtime relationship with indicted developer and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko.
The Illinois Democrat is also expected to make public his tax returns for several years before 2006, documents he previously has provided to the Tribune and other news organizations.
The plan seems to be yielding dividends, if the Tribune is to be believed. After sitting with the papers editorial board to answer every question asked about his relationship with Tony Rezko, the Chicago Tribune had this to say:
When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.
Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.
We said in that same editorial that Obama had been too self-exculpatory in explaining away his ties to Tony Rezko. And we've been saying since Nov. 3, 2006 -- shortly after the Tribune broke the story of Obama's house purchase -- that Obama needed to fully explain his Rezko connection. He also needed to realize how susceptible he had been to someone who wanted a piece of him -- and how his skill at recognizing that covetousness needed to rise to the same stature as his popular appeal.
Friday's session evidently fulfills both obligations. Might we all be surprised by some future disclosure? Obama's critics have waited 16 months for some new and cataclysmic Rezko moment to implicate and doom Obama. It hasn't happened....
...Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged.
King, Just like Anarchy, you are using two different sources for your argument against Rev.Wright. Anarchy was using the 10 points of that churches vision to say it was a racist church. I said not 1 of those 10 points says or does anything in a racist manner or against the US. Now if your saying that Rev. Wright said some things that were racist, I will agree. BUT if I was going to that church, I could tell that reverend that I do not agree with that sermon..etc. Now I know you have not heard any other sermon that he has ever given so saying that he said "God Damn the US", what context was it in?? Are you telling me that people cannot criticize the US or policies of the US govt???
Im truly scared to see what might happen if Barack is elected, its very spooky to hear and read things like this. Its gonna be a bad day whoever is elected between the 3 canidates. I'm scared to see how much more they can ruin this country beyond whats happened the last 15 years.
Quote: For someone who claims to know something you really aren't informed about anything.
Look at the response to OSU. I didn't have to look it up, I already knew it!!..
Quote: For the first time in her adult lifetime, she is really proud of her country? Are she serious? Oh! The oppression that she has felt while attending Princeton and Harvard must have been horrible!
Yea, maybe that is what she felt, for the first time, people in the US are starting to think and be informed about things and want change. Not because her husband is running, but because people are starting to think about wanting better things for the US. Maybe she did not like the policies of the US govt. And since she is an American I'm pretty sure she has the right to question the policies of the US. I might think the people of the US do some good things and some bad, am I not to say that either!
Quote: King, Just like Anarchy, you are using two different sources for your argument against Rev.Wright. Anarchy was using the 10 points of that churches vision to say it was a racist church. I said not 1 of those 10 points says or does anything in a racist manner or against the US.
So you are implying that this pastor does not reflect the feelings of his congregation, I sure hear a lot of cheering, and not a bit of booing, while he is making these racist statments.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Quote: Anarchy was using the 10 points of that churches vision to say it was a racist church.
I did nothing of the sort. I used two of their 10 points (though I could have used others) and stated that these people scare me. You are, flat out lying and I am calling you on it!
Quote: Is there racial tension in America? Last time I checked there is still - hence White America and Black America and whatever race you want to throw in as well. There are whites who are anti-black and blacks that are anti-white, so yes there is a White America and a Black America.
If you don't believe that then it's you that is
Are there still some idiots running around who hate whites, or hate blacks.... sure there are. Is this a divided country.... hell no.
Quote: I did nothing of the sort. I used two of their 10 points (though I could have used others) and stated that these people scare me.
You posted all 10 and put 2 in red. I questioned you on those two and then told King that you used the 10 points to make it seem like those points make them racist when not one says anything about another race or religion of people. SO tell me where did I lie on you?? If anything, I broke down that lie called your own misguided logic!!
Pimps in the inner city, wow, by your definition, I guess former Gov. Spitzer was a pimp and that woman he was with was his slave!!!..at 2k an hour!!..
No, what I said was that the 10 points of that church are not racist and that people have the right to disagree with a Pastor. SO are you implying that you saw the whole church in agreement? I did not think so.
Quote: No, what I said was that the 10 points of that church are not racist and that people have the right to disagree with a Pastor. SO are you implying that you saw the whole church in agreement? I did not think so.
I think you are splitting hairs. This seems to be a major focus of the church... so anybody that attends and has done so for a long time and claims a close personal relationship with the pastor is giving tacit approval to this message. Sorry, Obama has the freedom to worship anywhere he chooses and he chose this church.
Would you not feel similar to anybody who attends Fred Phelps church? Or would you need to get to know each and every one of them before you made the assumption that they hated gay people?
Well DC, There are alot of hair splitting when it comes to religion/churches. SO am I to think that all the people that attend P.Robertson churches (schools, watch the 700 club) or the church that Rev Hagee, Rev Parsley or even J.Falwell(church and schools) were all racists due to what those leaders spoke about?? Just like you said, until I either get to know a few of them to make that decision, what do I know about their members. Or should I just go one what their leaders say?
Just like anyone else, if a pastor says or preaches on something I do not like or believe in, I can question him. And its funny to me how Obama already said that he does not agree with the divisive things his pastor says or does. Now of course your response is, well why does he go there. Well that church does some real positive things in the Chicago area. OR maybe because Wright was the one that got him to believe in Christianity! ( he was not muslim before, I thought I better put that in since people think he was a muslim) What ever the reason, that does not make that church anymore racist that any other church here in the US.
Quote: What ever the reason, that does not make that church anymore racist that any other church here in the US.
I'm sorry, when a church promotes a race in its mission statement, I would dare say that does make it racially polarizing. I won't say it makes it racist because racist implies a hatred of another race... and they don't say they hate white people or Jews or anybody else at least in the 10 points as posted.. but they obviously prefer to place the needs of blacks above the needs of "all God's children"... so yea, I'd say that is a bit racially devicive.
Ok, well like a said to a previous poster, when people of Jewish faith talk of their support of Israel, does that mean the do not support the US?? Of course not! Or when Irish people support Ireland, it does not mean they support Ireland over the US. So that churches, that by the way has ministries for child care, HIV/AIDS patients and other ministry's does not turn anyone away wanting care or to be ministered too. Just like your church probably does!
Quote: No, what I said was that the 10 points of that church are not racist and that people have the right to disagree with a Pastor. SO are you implying that you saw the whole church in agreement? I did not think so.
Nope I am not saying they ae all in agreement, but in listening to the audio the huge majority of them in attendance sure agreed, so you can not make the argument that Rev Wright did niot have support in that church. If you were at church and your pastor starting spouting off some crazy stuff like that would you cheer?
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
One thing that sticks out to me in all of these silly statements, ie," America is an international criminal", "this is the first time in my life I'm proud of my country" and especially, :God damn America", etc: is that theyre making "America" synonomous with the United States Government. It is possible to disagree with the way the government is run, but still love the country. In that case, you do your best to change things, not run around saying things that only show how ignorant you are. If they disagree with how the government is run, that's one thing, but if they HATE AMERICA,why dont they do us all a favor, including themselves, and leave. Hate offers no sollutions.
King, I have been to a church where the Pastor said stuff I did not agree with and did not clap and let him know I did not agree with his sermon. Now your right, there were people cheering. But can you say that there was not one person who did not agree with his sermon? Or that everyone is suppose to blindly follow what the Pastor says? You and I both now in a church, the Pastor has people who will follow on his every word and others that will question it.
I know you werent asking me, for my part, I would immedietely stand up, walk out and never step foot in that church again. My pastor sometimes does say things I don't agree with, but it's quite another thing to JUSTIFY KILLING AND MURDER AND HATE IN THE NAME OF GOD WHO IS LOVE
LaBfan!! Well said!! I hate this goverment, but love this country. I also find it ignorant how the goverment, and "the white man" have become synonomous and is referred to as "they" . "They" held my peoples down!! Who the hell is "they".
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Good question. It's easy to blame a race or a group of people for all the problems of the world, instead of making a difference in the world, which is what preachers and churches are called to do. Somebody needs to let Rev Wright know this. Bless and curse not.
Quote: Is there racial tension in America? Last time I checked there is still - hence White America and Black America and whatever race you want to throw in as well. There are whites who are anti-black and blacks that are anti-white, so yes there is a White America and a Black America.
If you don't believe that then it's you that is
Are there still some idiots running around who hate whites, or hate blacks.... sure there are. Is this a divided country.... hell no.
Well, I completely disagree. I believe this is an extremely divided country on many different issues other than race.
Quote: LaBfan!! Well said!! I hate this goverment, but love this country. I also find it ignorant how the goverment, and "the white man" have become synonomous and is referred to as "they" . "They" held my peoples down!! Who the hell is "they".
KING
They would be the white men that have had the ruling stake in this country since its inception...that, you cannot deny. White men have always ruled this country. That's why white people, and the oppressive tactics of this country have always been synonymous...who else has oppressed the minorities of this country...WHITE MEN! Don't get mad at me for saying it, cause it's true.
Now, having said that, that doesn't mean that all white men are racist or inherently evil...however, you'll find that most black people, don't truly trust white people...there's enough history and evidence to justify that notion. But even not trusting white people, black people are generally very accepting of white people. Whether you all choose to believe it or not.
Take interracial relationships, black parents don't disown the children for dating white people (in general), but I've heard far too many stories the other way.
The problem with most of the white men on this board, is your generally not accepting of cultural differences. You don't understand black people and how we operate, and you fear what you don't understand, and you hate what you fear.
Let me ask you something, if it were black people dying the river in Chicago, red, black, and green...how many of you would be accepting of that...yet I don't hear anybody complaining about how the Irish hate America because they celebrate their heritage by dying a public body of water...GREEN! I'm just curious about that.
"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good" Thomas Paine
Even the Christians in Rome did not curse their government and country, but prayed for it, and I hold that the Roman government was far worse than ours.
Quote: Even the Christians in Rome did not curse their government and country, but prayed for it, and I hold that the Roman government was far worse than ours.
So what
"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good" Thomas Paine
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