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Source: Falcons to trade Hall for Raiders' second-round pick in '08 draft By Chris Mortensen ESPN.com Updated: March 15, 2008, 5:39 PM The Atlanta Falcons have reached an agreement in principle with the Oakland Raiders to trade cornerback DeAngelo Hall for the Raiders' second-round pick in the 2008 draft, pending the Raiders finalizing a contract with Hall, according to a source close to the Falcons. Hall is close to agreeing to a contract with the Raiders that will pay him just below what Asante Samuel signed with the Eagles, according to the source. Samuel signed a six-year deal worth a reported $57 million, with $20 million guaranteed. Hall is a former first-rounder taken with the eighth pick in the 2004 draft. Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3295344
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Nice deal by the raiders i think...Hall is a top 10-15 CB in this league, and even though they already have a ridiculous secondary, this will only make it better.
on the other hand: surprising that the raiders would be the team pushing the buttons on this trade. They still have a lot of pieces, and probably won't be competing for another year or two. You figure a contender would be more willing to make the move for their late first
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Would anybody been willing to give up next years 2nd for Hall?
Based on last seasons drama queen antics I would have been torn but as Lyuokdea said ....he is established.
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I would have been willing to give up next years 2nd, but Atlanta wouldn't have taken that deal. I do think we are fine at CB, although that is JMO.
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Actually this is a stupid trade on Oakland's part. They're now gonna pay Deangelo Hall the money that would've went towards Nnamdi Asomugha's contract. By giving Deangelo Hall a super deal, Nnamdi will walk in free agency next offseason b/c they can't afford him, and now they don't even have a high 2nd round pick this year (34th overall). Instead of having Nnamdi Asomugha and a 2nd round pick (say Gosder Cherilus or Sam Baker), they'll have Deangelo Hall and for 1 more year Nnamdi, but no 2nd round pick. Dumb trade by senile al Davis.
No doubt they'll have the best CB tandem in the league this season, but they're not gonna contend by a longshot this season, and they won't have Nnamdi after 2008 when they might be ready to contend.
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I knew the Falcons wanted to trade the guy. I'm just breathing a sigh of relief that we were not their trade partner.
I know he is well-thought of in many circles, but I don't like him for a couple of reasons:
1. He is a loud-mouth who puts himself before the team
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He can help a team, but I just don't think his price tag combined w/his play and attitude override his production.
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I don't get this move at all....don't the raiders already have a pretty good secondary? infact they were in the top 10 or top 5 last year in air D..
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Yeah, I don't think it's a good trade for Oakland either. Now they are missing out on a good player with their 2nd rounder and they will probably take McFadden which isn't even a need for them. Now they end up with an overcrowded RB corps, no 2nd round pick, which they could have used to draft a player at a position of need (O-Line). Bad move for Oakland, but Al Davis just loves getting good players even if it doesn't fit his teams needs.
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I don't get this move at all....don't the raiders already have a pretty good secondary? infact they were in the top 10 or top 5 last year in air D..
If you mean they were rated well in pass defense by looking at the yardage, it's a skewed stat. Typically it's the team with poor records that give up the least passing yards - it's because their opponents don't throw the ball as much against them. The opponents are typically ahead, and they run the ball.
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Yeah, I don't think it's a good trade for Oakland either. Now they are missing out on a good player with their 2nd rounder and they will probably take McFadden which isn't even a need for them. Now they end up with an overcrowded RB corps, no 2nd round pick, which they could have used to draft a player at a position of need (O-Line). Bad move for Oakland, but Al Davis just loves getting good players even if it doesn't fit his teams needs.
exactly. worst ran team in the league.
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If you mean they were rated well in pass defense by looking at the yardage, it's a skewed stat. Typically it's the team with poor records that give up the least passing yards - it's because their opponents don't throw the ball as much against them. The opponents are typically ahead, and they run the ball.
Good point, Cap. I remember when our numbers were skewed in this area.
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Hall denies Falcons-Raiders trade Cornerback refutes report he's being traded By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 03/15/08 Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall refuted a report on ESPN.com that he is on the verge of going to the Oakland Raiders in a trade. ESPN.com posted a report Saturday afternoon that the Falcons have agreed to trade Hall for a second-round pick in the April draft, contingent on the Raiders signing Hall to a contract. "Somebody's throwing something out there," Hall told the AJC on Saturday afternoon. Subsequent phone messages left for Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff and Hall's agent Joel Segal have not been returned. http://www.ajc.com/services/content/spor...=7&cxcat=21
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I don't get this move at all....don't the raiders already have a pretty good secondary? infact they were in the top 10 or top 5 last year in air D..
If you mean they were rated well in pass defense by looking at the yardage, it's a skewed stat. Typically it's the team with poor records that give up the least passing yards - it's because their opponents don't throw the ball as much against them. The opponents are typically ahead, and they run the ball.
Actually they had quite a few INTs...their corners have a knack for the ball...they are not a bad unit...prolly the best thing on D IMO
But i see your reasoning behind the yardage..however, u can't really skew INTs
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Could that be a rumor by the ever so credible ESPN?
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Well...since I posted Hall denying the trade, if you click on the link (of the second story), it has changed from "Hall denies" to "Hall close to being dealt". 
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Mort is very reliable. The deal might hit a snag, but if he said there was something in the works......I believe it.
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Mort is very reliable. The deal might hit a snag, but if he said there was something in the works......I believe it.
While on the other hand, the Crypt Keeper, John Clayton, mentioned on ESPN radio this evening that one of the Raiders cornerbacks (Fabian Washington) is now expendable and he expects the Browns to try to trade for him.
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Interesting. Is he any good?
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I agree. I was just making a funny.
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Looks like he was arrested last month for domestic violence. He should fit in w/our secondary. *L*
I read where he had the fastest 40 time at the 2005 Combine. 4.29! That's flying. He was drafted in the first by Oakland......I think it was 23rd overall. That's the same year Edwards and Pool came out.
Here is a scouting report from SI.com
BIO: Three-year starter awarded varying degrees of All-Conference honors since his freshman campaign. Finished with 41/3/15 as a junior. Sophomore totals included 55/10/4.
POSITIVES: Non-aggressive cover corner best backed off the line of scrimmage. Smooth backpedaling in reverse, loses nothing transitioning to run with opponents and fast in any direction of the field. Patient, quickly diagnoses plays and stays with the action. Fluid in all aspects and, at the same time, explosive. Displays a quick break on the pass, has a burst of closing speed, and can adjust or contort to make the interception. Fundamentally sound and shows excellent hands for the pick.
NEGATIVES: Not the first volunteer in run support and would rather knock down than wrap up the ballcarrier. Bites on receivers' moves and gets beat.
ANALYSIS: A fast corner who flashes on the scene, Washington's skills and playing style are best suited for a zone system or in man-off coverage. Needs to physically mature and add strength, yet could eventually develop into a starting cornerback or productive nickel player at the next level.
PROJECTION: Late First Round
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Man i don't know if I like that second part. The first part, is some what expected if they man is a burner, he usually doesn't like to tackle...but he seems like he gambles a bit too much.
Overall, i'd like to see what Mel Tucker could do with him. He coached up Wright and McDonald pretty well, I'd like to see what he could do with some big time talent.
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I think Tucker did an excellent job w/the DBs. I have a lot of respect for the guy.
One more thing on Washington. I did a bit more digging and he lost his starting job this past year. I don't know about this guy. I think I would prefer a guy w/more experience.
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Raiders 2nd is like a late first for the Falcons.
Not a bad trade really, they lose a problem child, and pick up another early second.
Maybe theyll trade their 2 seconds to get up into the first and draft Kenny Phillips.
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Great deal for the Falcons. They get the chance to reshape a losing franchise by dumping a guy before he's Franchise Tagged next year and holds out, and get back a high pick for their trouble.
So what about the Raiders? Yeah, a problem-child cornerback is going to make them a substantially better team 
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Great deal for the Falcons. They get the chance to reshape a losing franchise by dumping a guy before he's Franchise Tagged next year and holds out, and get back a high pick for their trouble.
So what about the Raiders? Yeah, a problem-child cornerback is going to make them a substantially better team
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I don't remember too many on the field incidents, except under Petrino. And if he didn't get along with Petrino, that might well be a bonus for his character.
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Some will call it a "no big deal" type of thing, but carrying a poster of Mike Vick onto the field after he'd been convicted of the dog thing soured him with me.
Now, having problems with Petrino doesn't make him a bad guy in my book, but he's been an outspoken guy who doesn't appear to like losing, and at times it's effected his play. What I do have a problem with is Hall melting down during a game, causing his team to lose the game by making multiple dumb penalties, then blowing up at the coach on the sideline.
Here's a quote from Hall that raises the red-flag of death for me: Quote:
Hall, enraged by the penalties, engaged Petrino and assistant coach Joe Whitt Jr. in heated sideline tirades.
At one point, Hall had to be restrained by three players.
Hall said he has traded trash talk with other receivers, but has never drawn a penalty. He says he has learned a lesson.
"The same things you love about me are going to be the same things you hate about me," Hall said. "The same fire and intensity I bring on the field, it kind of gets me in trouble."
As a player, he's one of the best corners in the league, but going to a place like the Raiders isn't exactly a way to discourage his outspoken behavior.
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Washington is a guy with a ton of physical talent, especially speed, but he hasn't been able to make much of it thus far. Even though he hasn't been great, I am very interested in him when you consider his ability. I doubt that there is a single wide out in the league that can out run him. Tucker has done a great job with our backs and I expect he would be able to do the same thing with Washington.
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The Hall deal to the raiders is another head scratcher. Of course the raiders get a good corner, but why not sign your own???? As another poster pointed out they will have to sign their other corner Asomuga? to a long term deal or lose him to freeagency next year. Or else have one heck of a cap hit tied into the corners. So their db's should be solid for one year, but i can't imagine the raiders making a run at the playoffs this year so its kind of a waste. IMO, it would have been smarter and less of a cap hit just to keep the high second round pick.
The raiders sure have committed a ton of money to players this year, i wonder how much money they have left in the cap??
Now as for Washington, i thought he was a bit over rated when he came out of Nebraska. But he can flat out fly- so his speed does make up for some things. Maybe in his sinilety, Al will trade him for a 4th rounder. I just cringe at the thought of tapping into next years draft for players and i would be reluctant to give up much more for him. And along those lines, didn't the browns offer a deal to another raider DB?? what's the status on that one??
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Personally, I would be thrilled if we could get Washington for a 4th.
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I would love to get washington. The guy can flat out fly!
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I don't want to trade away any of our picks for next year's draft... this year's I could care less about though.
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You're kidding me right ? Wright IS a big time talent, and was on draft day ... He had first round talent but there were character issues that teams were worried about .
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Yes, Wright is a big time talent...never said he wasn't. Just would like to see what he could do with someone with a 4.29 talent.
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Well Eric Wright did run a 4.36, thats not bad. I think we are fine at CB. Add a guy in june for emerganecy and go into the 2008 season with Wright, McDonald and Daven Holly. You have Baxter and Kenny Wright for depth and then an emergency guy.
Mel has done so well with our CB's. For the first time we have nice young talent that he can mold.Maybe add a guy in the 6-7th round.
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Since this concerns the Raiders, I thought you all might like a Raider fan's perspective...
Getting Hall is something Davis jumped on because it is pretty much his most coveted position. I also just want to say that Davis is not stupid. He wouldn't pick up Hall if he couldn't also pay for Aso. He is probably dreaming of having 2 great CBs. We tagged Asomugha and his salary is already included in the salary cap. We can afford both. The only question is will we (If Aso wants to remain a Raider).
The money could have been better spent on the OL or DL, but - like I said - Davis likes his CBs.
As for Fabian Washington, my thoughts are mixed. I mean, I don't mind letting him go now. He has a lot of potential and speed, but he never really fit in with our offense. The Raiders play pretty much all man to man coverage and Asomugha and Hall and Routt (the one who took Fabian's starting job) are all bigger than him. He didn't turn out to be as good as he was thought to be.
And for trading Fabian - Over at the RaiderFans message board, we want your OT named Shaffer or a center. What do you all think?
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Doubt we trade either. Shaffer is very important to this O-Line and I think we want to stick with what we have. He's a solid RT with LT experience, so he can backup the blindside position. Shaffer plays hard and runblocks well.
And Hank Fraley is an essential team leader (and captain I think). He's very underappreciated by the rest of the NFL. But he plays hard, knows his assignments and does everything right. He's not as good as Steinbach or Joe Thomas at their positions, but he's good stuff.
Our O-Line is rollin and LeCharles Bentley is an uncertainity to our team. If LeCharles comes back strong I suspect he might play right guard for us instead of center. But yeah, I don't think we'd want to trade our O-Lineman.
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Yeah, I figured. But thats the way it goes with forums - people get their hopes up. Someone did throw LeCharles' name in there, but thats just another want.
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