For those of you bringing Maurice Clarett into this, I can only tell you that Ohio State never would have won the '02 title without Clarett. He was a special player, and I'm glad he was on my team. As far as everything that happened after '02, well Clarett learned his lesson and he learned it in a very, very, hard and expensive way.
Back to Pryor, man I'm glad he chose Ohio State. Having a mobile quarterback is exciting, and I can't wait until next fall. I think he will see some playing time as a true freshman. Until today, I always felt that Tressell's best shot at winning another title was with the 2005 team- AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, Santonio Holmes. Now that James Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, Chris Wells, Brian Robiskie, and several others are coming back and we have added the #1 rated quarterback prospect, the 2008 squad will be Tressell's best team since arriving. This is gonna be a great, great season! Week 2 against USC is everything.
Did anyone see his announcement where he said "I will be attending The University of Ohio State"
Someone might want to clue the kid in before he does any more interviews. I'm sure the Buckeye faithful doesn't want him messing up their catch phrase.
Anyway, there's a video on Rivals that's very interesting. He said he spent time talking to NFL coaches and personnel and that a lot of them thought that Michigan was a better place for him. He said he took it in to account but decided he wouldn't use it as the deciding factor in his decision.
I just found it interesting because the prevailing fallacy seems to be that the spread offense doesn't prepare for the NFL yet NFL coaches and GM's were actually acknowledging it as a better choice for Pryor. Anyway, just some random musings. Can't wait for the season, I think Michigan is going to be much better then people think.
I never said anything bad about him DC. Besides, he delayed his decision because he wanted to get through basketball season before he committed anywhere. Honestly, I don't know why anybody would make a judgement call of any kind on an 18 year old kid.
I also read that he could still be a pro prospect even if he went to Michigan and only learned the zone-option offense (aka spread offense). There is no doubt in my mind that Rich Rodriquez would have turned this kid into a star. But, you gotta take OSU's Troy Smith into account. Troy Smith was not heavily recruited as a QB, plus he was undersized, plus he had Justin Zwick to compete with. Several years later he was a Heisman winner and NFL draft pick. -If Tressell can do that with Troy Smith, imagine the possibilities for Pryor- Heisman considerations, high draft pick considerations. On top of that, Ohio State will use Pryor like they used Troy Smith, he will learn how to run and learn how to throw all over the field- thus making him a better NFL prospect than somebody who can simply run. At Michigan he would have been an athlete first, quarterback second. At Ohio State, he's gonna learn to be a quarterback first, athlete second.
Quote: Back to Pryor, man I'm glad he chose Ohio State.
Why? He was a whiney spoiled attention hog when people thought he was going to choose Michigan...
people can still think that, but at the same time be happy that he's playing for the buckeyes...
i had a feeling that someone was going to bring this up...
i think calling a press conference to announce you have not made a decision was a bit stupid and a bit big-headed...
i have no problem with him weighing his options, because it's the biggest choice he'll have to make in his life (yet) but there is no reason to draw attention to yourself like that
with that being said, this kid is one hell of an athlete, and i'm sure as hell glad he's wearing the scarlet and gray, and maybe even more importantly, he's in the big ten, which has gotten ripped up and down for the past 2 years...
i wonder if tressel will try and go to the 2 qb system that was so successful for urban meyer, when he ran chris leak with tim tebow in certain situations, that could actually be useful to ohio state, with boeckman, who's a decent but not great quarterback, who has now played in one michigan game, and one national championship game (great experience for a college qb) and you have this super athlete in pryor who could really throw defenses off...
but we can talk pryor/boeckman, and beanie wells, but that defense has to get better...
I had the same thoughts when Troy came to OSU... I thought he had a lot of talent but a lot of growing up to do... same can be said for Mo Clarrett.. so you have to wonder which direction he goes?
I do think that if he respects Tressel as much as he says and sticks with him and the upperclassmen that he'll be alright... there seems to be a lot of class in the coaching staff and players, so if Terrel is humble and works hard he'll be alright...
<< Why? He was a whiney spoiled attention hog when people thought he was going to choose Michigan... >>
Kudos to you for this great comeback. Personally, I hope this childish brat gets his skinny rear ended planted deep into the sacred OSU turf. Too bad all the fans with their scarlet and gray sunglasses see this fool as changing his ways when he hits the street of Columbus. And save the "you're nothing but a disgruntled Michigan fan" sorry people-- OSU Class of 88.
Quote: I never said anything bad about him DC. Besides, he delayed his decision because he wanted to get through basketball season before he committed anywhere. Honestly, I don't know why anybody would make a judgement call of any kind on an 18 year old kid.
Quote: Kudos to you for this great comeback. Personally, I hope this childish brat gets his skinny rear ended planted deep into the sacred OSU turf. Too bad all the fans with their scarlet and gray sunglasses see this fool as changing his ways when he hits the street of Columbus. And save the "you're nothing but a disgrunted Michigan fan" sorry people-- OSU Class of 88.
Its funny that michigan fans thought he was the best thing since sliced bread! Wow I gues we should have just gave up hope on troy smith after he got arrested. Michigan fans like you make me happy when we stomp your asses.
Did you even read his post? He graduated from OSU. Plus, you say Michigan fans all loved him, and I'm not sure who all are Michigan fans on here. I know Nas and myself are, and neither of us really cared either way where he went. He has the ability to be a great player, but he also seems to love the spotlight and has had some lacking character over the last few weeks that has kind of turned me away from him. I would have rooted for him had he went to Michigan, but I had figured for a while that he was going to OSU, and I honestly couldn't care less.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what he has done that is so bad. What "ways" does he need to change? So he held off picking a school; big deal. What other horrible things has he done?
he does seem to find trouble at times... was in a fight during the basketball tourney... I know he got in trouble with the law with fighting with a guy who apparently 'mishandled' a female friend of his...
the kid seems like just that...a young kid that needs to mature... I'd say the same thing if he went to UM. He has potential but needs some strong/positive influences to mature into a young man.
I did hear about the fights; sounded as if he was provoked quite a bit. Not making any excuses though, he should know better being in the limelight all of the time. I did not hear about the female friend thing though....
Yep, your right, sounds like a kid with some maturing needed. Guess we'll see what happens. I'm not going to blindly pass judgement on him I suppose. I'll give him a chance to prove himself first....
Why is it Terrelle Pryor's fault that he was #1 in the nation and so much hype given to him. He didn't ask for it.
Pryor is yet another victim of the recruiting process. Everyone expects this 18 year old kid to be perfect. What has he ever done wrong? He isn't a media hog. He actually hates the media and all the attention that is surrounding him. The only bad thing someone can point to is the minor scuffle he had during a basketball game. I don't know exactly what happened, but put yourself in his shoes and imagine everything this kid has gone through in the last year. Yes, he should have handled it better, but we make mistakes. Once he threw us the curveball of not committing on Signing Day, everyone went crazy and felt it was selfish and dramatic. When in reality, it seems that he truly needed more time to talk to his parents (specifically getting his dad on board with OSU) about it and concentrate on basketball.
Once he is at OSU, there won't be as much hype. If he went to Michigan, it would have carried over because he would be the starting QB on a top-tier program in a rebuilding process. At OSU, he can take a step back from all the attention and learn from Boeckman, the QB coaches, and other players and still play the Tebow role.
I have a feeling that everyone will soon see what he can do on the football field. Those OSU fans that are slamming Pryor will likely be in love with Pryor after he and the rest of the OSU recruiting class win a championship or two. Pryor is the icing on the cake this year. All us Buckeyes fans should be happy to have him in the scarlet and gray. He's going to do some pretty amazing things here.
Quote: I would have rooted for him had he went to Michigan, but I had figured for a while that he was going to OSU, and I honestly couldn't care less.
Man, there has been a ton of posturing on these Pryor threads. *L*
And I bet you do care. I also bet that you are going to care even more when he runs over and around you.
He could very well end up a great player at OSU, but from all the extra stuff I have seen of him, I didn't care if he went to Michigan or not. He seems very arrogant to me. I saw a video of his basketball championship game where he climbs up on the bench after a lay up and pounds his chest at the crowd while the game is still going on. That kind of stuff gets under my skin. I don't mind celebrating a bit, but to do that, especially while the game is till going on, is totally unncessary. He just seems, to me, to think that he is better than everyone else.
I also had read reports, and I'm not sure how true they are, that he was upset that Michigan signed Justin Feagin, a 3 star spread option QB. If a little competition scares him, then I wouldn't want him at Michigan anyway.
Like I said, I would have rooted for him had he signed with Michigan, and all of the negatives surrounding him could very well turn out to be nothing at all, but it isn't a huge loss in my eyes.
Quote: I also had read reports, and I'm not sure how true they are, that he was upset that Michigan signed Justin Feagin, a 3 star spread option QB. If a little competition scares him, then I wouldn't want him at Michigan anyway.
So if competition scares him why is he going where he'll more than likely be the back-up his first year?
Quote: I also had read reports, and I'm not sure how true they are, that he was upset that Michigan signed Justin Feagin, a 3 star spread option QB. If a little competition scares him, then I wouldn't want him at Michigan anyway.
So if competition scares him why is he going where he'll more than likely be the back-up his first year?
Maybe because Feagin will be at Michigan for 4 years and Boeckman would only be at OSU for 1? I'm not sure as to why, that was just a few reports I had heard after Feagin sent his letter of intent in to Michigan.
Quote: I would have rooted for him had he went to Michigan, but I had figured for a while that he was going to OSU, and I honestly couldn't care less.
Man, there has been a ton of posturing on these Pryor threads. *L*
And I bet you do care. I also bet that you are going to care even more when he runs over and around you.
Posturing? This kid said the best part about the recruiting process was "just people knowing me, you know, knowing who I am."
Not only that but he's been in several fights the past year with other students/athletes, was almost arrested for trying to pick a fight with a security guard, calling him a "rent-a-cop", tried to pick a fight with an entire student section after a playoff game (twice) and has exhibited some pretty terrible sportsmanship on a seemingly minute-to-minute basis. For someone who KNOWS he's continually in the spotlight, he seems to just not care.
Call me old fashioned but I'd prefer to not have a kid like that at UM. Let him be someone else's problem. I expressed a month and a half or so ago that I didn't care where he was going and recently (a few weeks back) that I preferred he didn't come to UM. Stuff about him has been all over the news, talking about how disrespectful he is to everyone on and off the court. It's not as if it was one or two incidents, there's a fairly long string of them....even AFTER he'd been getting all this attention. I'd much rather have a kid like Feagin that is polite, respectful, soft spoken, unheralded and really has something to prove.
Honestly, It will be entertaining to watch how easily college defenders get in Pryor's head. They will be in his ear any chance they get knowing that the kid has what seems to be a horrible temper. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to a guy absolutely planting him in to the turf one time.
Pryor is a damn good football player but he seems to be a complete moron on and off the field. He's young and he surely can mature but he comes off as the stereotypical horses butt. If Tressell (and company) doesn't keep him on a short leash, it wouldn't surprise me to see his name in the news the minute he steps on campus.
Someone might want to clue the kid in before he does any more interviews. I'm sure the Buckeye faithful doesn't want him messing up their catch phrase.
Actually Nas...our catch phrase is Michigan Sucks but I am sure you knew that.
I dont see how anybody in the nfl would tell a kid that UM is a better place to go to prepare for the nfl based on the coaching changes. If Loefller was still there I would by it but who had RR put in the nfl with the spread option from the QB position?? Who in the NFL has come from the spread option? (honest question I do not know) If it was a successfu system for building pro QB's it would be more highly utilized. It is a dynamic offense but one that can come to a screeching halt in one tackle ala Dixon.
All in all I think it was addition by subtraction. He isnt playing in A2 which is a bigger score for OSU than he will be on the field this year. I think Michigan will be better than most think and I think they will do fine. They are still Michigan and even in a down phase UM and OSU are still contenders for the Big 10 title, but in the big picture the fact remains is that promising to be better than most think after a season that you were supposed to contend for the title is a bit empty.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what he has done that is so bad. What "ways" does he need to change? So he held off picking a school; big deal. What other horrible things has he done?
See, that's been my opinion from the start too. I have nothing against the kid... primarily because he is just that... A KID... He handled being an instant celebrity the best way he knew how... People should have left him alone from the beginning..
Quote: I dont see how anybody in the nfl would tell a kid that UM is a better place to go to prepare for the nfl based on the coaching changes. If Loefller was still there I would by it but who had RR put in the nfl with the spread option from the QB position?? Who in the NFL has come from the spread option? (honest question I do not know) If it was a successfu system for building pro QB's it would be more highly utilized. It is a dynamic offense but one that can come to a screeching halt in one tackle ala Dixon.
Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick coming out of the spread. That's one off the top of my head.
The thing is, in terms of football years, the spread offense is still a very young system. Trying to pull stats or reference the number of NFL QB's it has produced is a bit of a flawed statistic given that a minority of teams run it and most of them have been smaller schools. It was implemented as an equalizer for the have nots of college football. It allowed smaller schools to recruit the smaller, quicker players that the major D-1 schools deemed as too small or not skilled enough to play their current position at the next level (ala Pat White at QB).
What percentage of D-1 teams run the full-blown spread offense? 10-15? Maybe? And how many of those teams are traditional powers? 2? Florida and now Michigan. So with a very small percentage of teams running the offense, and a miniscule number able to recruit the best QB's year in and year out, wouldn't you expect the pool of NFL talent at QB to be pretty small just given the sheer math? The small number is not a reflection on the effectiveness of the system but the lack of quality talent that all of these teams that run the offense have available. I think NFL GM's and coaches confirming that it would prepare Pryor for the NFL is a direct reflection of that.
Also, I think what NFL GM's look at is the fact that Ohio State hasn't had a QB start more then 1-2 games in a season for the last 20 years and the highest any has been drafted in recent memory was at the end of the 5th round. Not exactly a stellar track record for a school that runs a pro-style offense.
Quote: They are still Michigan and even in a down phase UM and OSU are still contenders for the Big 10 title, but in the big picture the fact remains is that promising to be better than most think after a season that you were supposed to contend for the title is a bit empty.
Well OSU was supposed to "compete" in the National Championship game as well.....and errrrrrr. See how that works? I wouldn't start flinging stones or start saying "Michigan sucks" given the bed wetting performances OSU has had in the national title game the last 2 seasons. That and it leads to a productive conversation going completely south in a matter of seconds.
I appreciate your response because A. Smith was the only guy I can think of but I was thinking that he might not be a good example to bring up becuase I think he has been dealt a bad hand and wasnt put in a great position to be successful..
I would love to see the info that allowed you to make the statement regarding a spread offense being better suited to preparing a QB for the nfl though...seriously. I can see the merits of the quick passing game (A. Smith again) but no spread option offense where the QB is running more than throwing could possibly prepare a college kid for anything more than a concussion in the nfl. What do you expect the pass/run ratio to be in RR's offense?
I cant include Michigan as a traditional power which runs the spread YET as they havent run a play from scrimmage in it, However, I am really interested to see what it does to recruiting on both sides of the ball in the conference.
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Well OSU was supposed to "compete" in the National Championship game as well.....and errrrrrr. See how that works? I wouldn't start flinging stones given the bed wetting performances OSU has had in the national title game the last 2 seasons. That and it leads to a productive conversation going completely south in a matter of seconds.
I think you can say what you want about OSU going 1 & 2 in Natty title games as it is warranted. I agree that the conversation will dissolve quickly. When UM of M gets over the hump and gets in the game than we will have more to compare other than the results of THE GAME. I think we have more work to do than UM because beating our rival isnt enough anymore.
If a little competition scares him, then I wouldn't want him at Michigan anyway.
Of course michigan fans didnt want him to play up north? Why would they?
I do agree with you about the competition thing. I do think he is afraid of competition. Thats why he chose Ohio State. No competition at the end of the year.
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OH this! 
So he held off picking a school; big deal. What other horrible things has he done?
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