What position does Thabeet play? and for who? If he's not a PG, then I don't care for either, we need a true PG and then we might have a chance to contend, if not, their roll players for at least couple years.
Well Thabeet is a C, but he is just such a defensive presence I think, I'm looking for us to go full go for a star PG in free Agency and go after one of these guys, Thabeet is 7'3" 260 lbs and has a ton of upside in my opinion
I'm not sure what year he is in college or how many better PGs there are but I'm thinking Stephen Curry from Davidson would be nice. Of the point guards I've seen (I don't watch that much college hoops), he's the one that has impressed me the most. And I think PG is the Cavs biggest need.
I happen to agree with what you say. The Cavs don't need a PG, they need a #2 scorer. Delonte West is decent enough to play PG and can put up points but the Cavs need somebody who can knock down shots.
Quote: I happen to agree with what you say. The Cavs don't need a PG, they need a #2 scorer. Delonte West is decent enough to play PG and can put up points but the Cavs need somebody who can knock down shots.
Exactly...also someone who can get to the lane with some efficiency. Get to the line a couple times a night. Pavlovich is a good stand in, but he's not a starting quality SG. He should be coming of the bench. We need a hired assassin.
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Thank you sir Both play for solid programs so either one wouln't bother me, though I think our main need is a PG, especially if Wallace comes back. SG's can be had in FA, PG's and good ones arre hard to find.
When we went thru the Price/KJ/Brandan phase that was the only position we had, now we have depth everywhere else except PG. So I would like to go the PG route.
I'd like to add to that, that Rip Hamilton would be great in a Cavs uniform. His midrange game is top notch, and he plays tenacious defense...he wouldn't even have to run off so many screens to get open
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Yeah, Pavlovic and Sczerbiak (don't know how to spell it) can knock down shots, but they rely on others to make their shot for them and can't really make their own shot. The Cavs need somebody like a Joe Johnson who can knock down shots but can also penetrate.
While I think we need improved PG play, I think the situation we're in, switching captains midstream, is causing that position to be inconsistent. Bringing in a backup PG would be a good idea, but it's not a necessity as much as another scorer is.
I can't say what we should get in the draft...although I'm leaning toward C just because it'd be good groom Z's replacement
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Thabeet, and it is not even close. Cavs will look for a big in this years draft. Our bigs are all aging. Cavs need to find a big to take over for Z in a few years, and Thabeet is the mold they will look for.
I don't think Hansbrough has the type of game that translates to the pros very well. IMO I think he will get eaten up. I do like Kevin Love quite a bit though. He is much more smooth than Tyler, a better passer, better rebounder, better shooter, better basketball IQ, etc.
Quote: I don't think Hansbrough has the type of game that translates to the pros very well.
I agree with you, Ive been trying to tell some buddies the same thing.
I think he will be able to find a spot for himself in the NBA no doubt with his hustle and work ethic, but im sure he will get drafted to high for what he will produce.
What about Gibson at SG? You seem to be forgetting him. He can hit a shot, and was getting better at driving the lane and throwing up one of those Tony Parker teardrop shots.
And I don't think Thabeet or Hansbrough would be a good fit. Slow moving centers seems to be a relic of the past. Today's game seems to revolve around point guards that can run the show, and teams that can move the ball up and down quickly. Z sometimes just seems to slow our offense down when we try to push it. He almost serves better as a role player that comes in when another team has somebody like Yao Ming.
Quote: What about Gibson at SG? You seem to be forgetting him. He can hit a shot, and was getting better at driving the lane and throwing up one of those Tony Parker teardrop shots.
I'm not forgetting about him, I'm counting on him. However, he is a SG trapped in PG's body. He will be a liability on defense. He's just too small to defend against the T-Mac's and Kobe's of the world. Which is why, even when he's back to full strength, he'll still be coming off of the bench.
If he could develop into a PG, he'd be starting there.
Quote: And I don't think Thabeet or Hansbrough would be a good fit. Slow moving centers seems to be a relic of the past. Today's game seems to revolve around point guards that can run the show, and teams that can move the ball up and down quickly. Z sometimes just seems to slow our offense down when we try to push it. He almost serves better as a role player that comes in when another team has somebody like Yao Ming.
In the Eastern Conference, you can get away with a slow center, because the game is more of a half court offense. When the pace picks up, you can bring in Andy or Big Ben to run the court.
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I think there is one thing that is important to point out, and it's that every player is not good at both ends. I think the point that Excl is thinking is that although boobie's defense is not great, his upside on the offensive end cancels out his downside on the defensive end. He actually has come a long way defensively in 2 short years. The funny thing is that his size is not the problem on defense, it's actually his ability to keep the quicker guards in front of him. He also has a tendency reach and gamble on the defensive end. Hell, he actually did a nice job on billups last year in the playoffs since all Chauncey tried to do is back him down.
I think we all sometimes forget that Boobie is not a finished product on the offensive end. By the time this is all said and done, he may be the answer at the point. He has a good pull up game around the free throw line, and has shown the ability to create his own shot from time to time. The big thing with creating your own shot and putting the ball on the floor at the NBA level is just getting comfortabable doing it, and picking the right times to do it. We know he has the skills to do it. You can bet your bottom dollar that if this coaching stafff is worth a damn, that his summers are going to be focused on learning how and when to go to the hole to both score and create for teammates.
That's some good points... it's also worth mentioning that they say the defense in the NBA is the last thing most people get... so while Boobie isn't a finished product on O, it's safe to say he isn't a finished product on D
I think Hansbrough is going to be a solid NBA player, I don't ever expect him to be a superstar... I also expect him to play the 4 position more than the middle. His perimeter game grew by leaps and bounds between last year and this year... His range is now out around 15 feet, he's getting better at beating defenders off the dribble...
