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He signed a contract extension and gave his word to his alma mater and then bolted the following year. That's a character issue that has been PROVEN by his actions. Leave it to the Michigan homers to ignore that, though. 
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you and a few other OSU fans that grab at every possible thing to point out how horrible his character is when you don't have a shred of evidence towards any of it.
I never said it was true that he stole or shredded recruiting files, I said there was a accusation that he did, as well as accusations of other things. Things start to stack up and some will question your character. It is not just OSU fans who have questioned his character either, his characted has been widely questioned on a national basis. Hence a image problem. Time will tell if it holds up but for right now he is looking like a POC.
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Leave it to the Michigan homers to ignore that, though.
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Any truth to the rumor Hail to the Victors will be replaced by We Are Family? They probably forgot who Victor was anyway. 
I don't care who you are.....thats funny right there.....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Michigan just received a 2009 commit from Massilon Washington Safety Justin Turner (#42 overall prospect in the class of 2009). He was the #4 ranked recruit in the state and the #1 DB / Athlete recruit in Ohio according to Rivals. Was a kid Tressell really wanted.  Held early offers from OSU, UM, Illinois, WVU, Pitt and MSU.
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Doesnt mean much were still gonna beat u guys next year  
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You of all people should know early commits don't mean anything. How many people were swayed by UM this year? Commits don't mean anything until they sign on the line.
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Michigan just received a 2009 commit from Massilon Washington Safety Justin Turner (#42 overall prospect in the class of 2009). He was the #4 ranked recruit in the state and the #1 DB / Athlete recruit in Ohio according to Rivals. Was a kid Tressell really wanted.
Held early offers from OSU, UM, Illinois, WVU, Pitt and MSU.
Actually, Ohio State offered much later than those other teams. From what I've heard he was a Michigan lean the entire time and it was pretty much known where he was going. He's a good player, no doubt though. A bunch of my friends went to Canton McKinley so I already know what they're going to say about him.
Here's hoping that he follows in Shawn Crable's footsteps: Graduate from Massilon, go to Michigan, blow special teams' assignments, allow a Divison 1-AA team to beat you on opening day in your own stadium while you're ranked in the top 5...
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Annnnnd.....Michigan picks up another commitment today from 5'10'' 200 LB Detroit Cass Tech RB Teric Jones. An incredibly athletic scat-back ala Steve Slaton. Seems that "image" problem sure is hurting them. 
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Was a kid Tressell really wanted.
Tressel got the kid he, and RR, REALLY wanted. Nice consolatuion prize though
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We all know (well at least any semi objective person) that Michigan is always going to recruit itself. Just like any other premier college program. They're going to get their share of great recruits. But to brush this image problem and the obvious issues with Rich Rod under the rug is extremely naive. When a kid whose dad went to Michigan and who chose Michigan over Ohio State even though he grew up in a Columbus suburb just walks away from that program and questions the coach and his values that is definitely a problem. I mean, I read a quote in the dispatch where Rodriguez basically said that he feels his team is his family... which seems hilarious to me considering he bolted his alma mater and "dream job" for Michigan for increased presitge and a huge pay day. So if USC comes calling a year or two down the road and offers him 5 million a year would he then consider that team his family too?
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Annnnnd.....Michigan picks up another commitment today from 5'10'' 200 LB Detroit Cass Tech RB Teric Jones. An incredibly athletic scat-back ala Steve Slaton.
Seems that "image" problem sure is hurting them.
It's not the problem of getting there, it's after they have been there when the problem starts and they bolt
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Tressel got the kid he, and RR, NEEDED wanted. Nice consolatuion prize though KING
Fixed your typo Oh yeah NAS one of the top recruits in michigan is visting us also. One of the best from the state of Pennsylvania and one of the top prospects from Ohio. James Jackson and unfortunately Shrieve cancelled his visit. He has the flu
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We all know (well at least any semi objective person) that Michigan is always going to recruit itself. Just like any other premier college program. They're going to get their share of great recruits. But to brush this image problem and the obvious issues with Rich Rod under the rug is extremely naive. When a kid whose dad went to Michigan and who chose Michigan over Ohio State even though he grew up in a Columbus suburb just walks away from that program and questions the coach and his values that is definitely a problem. I mean, I read a quote in the dispatch where Rodriguez basically said that he feels his team is his family... which seems hilarious to me considering he bolted his alma mater and "dream job" for Michigan for increased presitge and a huge pay day. So if USC comes calling a year or two down the road and offers him 5 million a year would he then consider that team his family too?
This is seriously getting a bit ridiculous for me. So because ONE kid quits, during a coaching change, there's some huge image problem?
I don't care where the hell the kid is from or what school his dad went to. When the ENTIRE program turns over, there are going to be players who leave. END OF STORY. This is one player, who's obviously bitter about how things transpired, that tried to take a cheap shot at UM and RR after he was released from his scholarship. A kid who couldn't take getting yelled at or held accountable for playing and performing like poo-poo this spring. Anyone who gets demoted to second team and then immediately quits kind of loses some of their credibility when discussing how things are being run. Forgive me for not caring what the hell he says.
ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING has been positive this spring around the program. Former players, the local media, local coaches, former coaches......they're ALL singing the praises of how practices are being run, how the new staff is treating players and fellow staff members (even outside the coaching umbrella) and also how committed everyone is to returning Michigan back in to a dominant football power. So the opinion of one player who QUIT should trump all that? I think it's called an aberration. You guys can trumpet it all you want. Michigan WILL be turned around by RR and all the ridiculous side commentary is not going to stop him. The fact that all of you care so much is just a bit odd.
As for him leaving WVU, it's been well documented that the administration was dragging their feet with both the current and future football budget (money for assistants, academic center for football players, text book ownership for players, improvements to practice facilities, improvements to the stadium, luxury boxes, permission to allocate sideline passes, etc, etc, etc). They weren't coming through on promises they made when RR signed his extension.
RR was trying to turn WVU in to a powerhouse and WVU was giving him a MAC commitment financially. When does loyalty STOP being all that important when your SCHOOL is hindering you from doing your job? Did RR love WVU? Sure he did but the school was keeping him from maximizing his programs gains. Honestly, had WVU been the model school and RR had left I would have a different stance but that's absolutely not the case. I know that many of you live to bash UM but it's just a bit sad after a while. Yes, RR did leave his alma mater but everyone is ignoring WHY he left. Probably because that wouldn't support you bashing him in any way would it?
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Michigan WILL be turned around by RR and all the ridiculous side commentary is not going to stop him. The fact that all of you care so much is just a bit odd.
*ichigan is our bitch. We hope to see them stay that way, and any drama that unfolds up there makes us happy.
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Yes, RR did leave his alma mater but everyone is ignoring WHY he left. Probably because that wouldn't support you bashing him in any way would it?
He left for money.
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*ichigan is our bitch. We hope to see them stay that way, and any drama that unfolds up there makes us happy.
Thats messed up though. I feel bad for NAS I hope michigan gets better just not good enough to beat us.
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Some nice, well thought out posts (as usual) from the TUOS faithful.
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Just ignore it, however their are some OSU posters who are posting nonsense.
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This whole thread is a bit ridiculous now...
I think it's ready to be locked up... but that's just MHO.
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Loyalty stops when the contract you just signed last year expires. No image problems? The man signs a contract and then bolts the next year. That's a problem and not really about his image, but his character. Then he is trying to weasel out of the penalty stated clearly in the language of the contract. Yeah, that's not an issue either. The man has serious issues with keeping his word as evidenced by his actions. Of course, I wouldn't expect you not to defend him, being the homer you are. 
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A contract is an agreement between TWO parties. So RR is a bad guy for wanting out when WVU wasn't holding up their end of the contract? Funny how that works.
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This is seriously getting a bit ridiculous for me.
LOL.....it is ridiculous. You made back-to-back posts where you were rubbing it in like a kid. Here, take a look:
Michigan just received a 2009 commit from Massilon Washington Safety Justin Turner (#42 overall prospect in the class of 2009). He was the #4 ranked recruit in the state and the #1 DB / Athlete recruit in Ohio according to Rivals. Was a kid Tressell really wanted.
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Annnnnd.....Michigan picks up another commitment today from 5'10'' 200 LB Detroit Cass Tech RB Teric Jones. An incredibly athletic scat-back ala Steve Slaton.
Seems that "image" problem sure is hurting them.
And you don't expect the people of Ohio to come back on you? 
This is a Brown's board. Most of the people here either live in Ohio or have strong ties to Ohio. Ohio State is the team most Ohioans follow. I don't go to any Michigan boards and brag on Ohio State. It's called class. Try getting some!
Also, I love how your version of the truth has become Thee truth in regards to the player who left.
You know............perhaps if you Michigan guys were not so damn obnoxious, you wouldn't be getting any grief. Seriously, you have a lot of nerve coming to an Ohio board and bad-mouthing OSU and wolfing about how great Michigan is, especially since we have been kicking your ass for some time now.
We had to listen to Michigan fan's obnoxious comments when Cooper was here and you were kicking our ass. But, we sure don't have to listen to it now. Especially on our home turf.
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What I found funny about Turner's commitment (and why I posted it) was how you were just recently trying to say UM couldn't recruit in Ohio......which was obviously a reach. While it may not have been all that important, I will take any opportunity to prove you wrong. Which by the way has become increasingly easy. That and isn't this thread ABOUT Michigan? Also, I don't really get why you're saying I'm "bragging on OSU?" Or bad mouthing them? Your definitions of both (I'm sure) are interesting ones. Questioning my class? This coming from a parent who told me they bet they weren't too old to kick my ass on a message board. Pfffffffft. Right Vers, give me a freakin break. Your back hurt from riding that horse? On an Ohio Message board? AND..... Last time I checked, the Browns had the largest fan organization in the world, so I would guess there's plenty of people on here that don't cheer for OSU. You gonna go around and show them your message board police badge?
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You know............perhaps if you Michigan guys were not so damn obnoxious
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Its a Browns board, not that I or Nas have, but Ill bad mouth any team I want thats not the Browns if i choose to. Although I havent see any OSU bashing, Nas was posting about some verbals Michigan got...in a Michigan thread, you dont like it, stay out of the thread. Its pretty simple guy.
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What I found funny about Turner's commitment (and why I posted it) was how you were just recently trying to say UM couldn't recruit in Ohio......which was obviously a reach.
No nas, that is not what I said. Here is what I said:
Ohio has better football players than Michigan. You guys rely on stealing players from Ohio. Since we have been kicking your ass lately, stealing our players is becoming increasingly difficult for you.
Do you see the words........"becoming increasingly difficult."? Learn how to read before spouting off.
nas, I was there. For awhile, Michigan was getting many of our top players. Lately, it hasn't been as easy for them. Period.
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What? I'm saying that I do not go to Michigan boards and bad mouth Michigan. I don't brag about OSU. That would be classless.
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Questioning my class? This coming from a parent of a child who's "older then me" who told me they bet they weren't too old to kick my ass on a message board.
No, my children are not older than you. And I was responding to you because you were the one who brought up age. Like it was a disease.
And yes, you do lack class. There is no need to bad-mouth OSU on an Ohio board. And there certainly is no justification for acting like Michigan is better than us, especially since we have been winning lately and we just signed the guy you really wanted.
I tried asking you nicely not to bad-mouth Ohio State on an Ohio board. You obviously won't respect that. Fine.........but don't cry and get confounded when people rip on you. If you look for trouble..........you'll find it!
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LOL..........which middle school do you go to?
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Vers michigan fans are not the problem. NAS, Andrae and brownsfan have not said anything that has insulted OSU.
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What I found funny about Turner's commitment (and why I posted it) was how you were just recently trying to say UM couldn't recruit in Ohio......which was obviously a reach.
No nas, that is not what I said. Here is what I said:
Ohio has better football players than Michigan. You guys rely on stealing players from Ohio. Since we have been kicking your ass lately, stealing our players is becoming increasingly difficult for you.
Do you see the words........"becoming increasingly difficult."? Learn how to read before spouting off.
nas, I was there. For awhile, Michigan was getting many of our top players. Lately, it hasn't been as easy for them. Period.
Well, since processing information doesn't seem to be a strong point lets give it a try one more time. Michigan signed 6 of the top 20 players in the state of Ohio THIS year. OSU signed 4 of them. How that translates (in your mind) to it being harder for Michigan to sign the top players in Ohio doesn't really make any sense to me. Then they follow 2008 up by landing the #4 overall player and the #1 athlete in the state. All of this seems to contradict what you're trying to convince yourself. Let me guess, stating all these facts is bragging on OSU right?
You keep saying I'm bad mouthing OSU. Speaking of putting words in people's mouths? I haven't even come CLOSE to bad mouthing OSU. I have a lot of respect for their program and I think most people realize that. Well, the reasonable ones (psst. that's not you)
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A contract is an agreement between TWO parties. So RR is a bad guy for wanting out when WVU wasn't holding up their end of the contract? Funny how that works.
Ok fine, he took the buyout in his contract and rolled for greener(money) pastures. So he should live up to his decision and pay the 4 Mill. No, instead he shows his true character and tries to weasel out of it.
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Of course you would come up with thtat nonsense. How did WVU not live up to the contract? Was there budget amounts listed in the contract? Are you SERIOUSLY saying that? I want facts, not blind homerism portrayed as such.
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Of course you would come up with thtat nonsense. How did WVU not live up to the contract? Was there budget amounts listed in the contract? Are you SERIOUSLY saying that? I want facts, not blind homerism portrayed as such.
Blind homerism huh? There's a more thorough list I'll try to dig up as well.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08024/851772-144.stm
Coach left after WVU reneged on promises
University president refused to further discuss Rodriguez's demands in Dec. 15 meeting.
Thursday, January 24, 2008
By Chuck Finder, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
In the messy divorce that is West Virginia University v. Rich Rodriguez, the latest salvo is a trail of documents not only illustrating a "deteriorating relationship" between the athletic department, the administration and the football coach, but also an insistence by the university president's office in early December to cease discussing Rodriguez's list of a final few demands -- which all parties agreed to tackle four months earlier.
The Post-Gazette yesterday obtained from a source close to the situation a memo reiterating verbal agreements made as part of the Aug. 24 signing of Rodriguez's contract extension. The memo, written and sent Aug. 27, details a meeting that new President Mike Garrison opened by talking about "the culture change" across the campus. The memo also reported that second-in-command Chief of Staff Craig Walker agreed to work to fulfill several items on Rodriguez's wish list, such as an increase in the pool of money for assistants, the waiver of the $5 university-handling fee on "free" game tickets to high school coaches, and permission for football players to keep their scholarship-supplied books at the end of each semester.
Those were three of the final demands that Rodriguez raised Dec. 15, when Garrison and Walker declined to discuss them any further. Rodriguez then decided to accept Michigan's offer to become its head coach.
All parties declined comment yesterday, citing the pending lawsuit that the university filed last month seeking the $4 million buyout from Rodriguez under his contract extension.
The case yesterday was assigned to another federal judge in the Northern District court of West Virginia, after Chief Judge Irene M. Keeley -- an alumna who taught law classes at the university -- turned over the lawsuit to District Judge John P. Bailey.
The Associated Press yesterday also reported on a declining relationship among the main characters, using that Aug. 27 memo as well as other e-mails and documents it received through a public records request.
From such documents, a picture emerges of Rodriguez, through agent Mike Brown and financial advisor Mike Wilcox, dealing almost solely with Garrison and Walker -- to the point of excluding athletic director Ed Pastilong and deputy athletic director Mike Parsons.
As early as last summer, according to the memo Wilcox wrote to Garrison and Walker summarizing their Aug. 24 contract-signing meeting, Rodriguez outlined that his sole issues as head coach were "the operations of the football program, his need for total control for the football program and 'fairness.' " It added that whenever Rodriguez had problems with Pastilong, he "was to contact Craig Walker." Rodriguez also was bothered by the involvement in the program by Gov. Joe Manchin, Pastilong's college roommate and longtime friend.
Sources said Pastilong and Rodriguez spoke only twice during the 2007 football season, with another conversation coming Dec. 1 after the 13-9 loss to Pitt, when Pastilong phoned to say that the loss would cause him embarrassment at upcoming Big East Conference meetings.
The "road map for the future," as Wilcox called it in that Aug. 27 memo, detoured quickly. According to the AP, Brown complained in a Sept. 6 e-mail that the athletic department prematurely disclosed details of Rodriguez's contract extension to West Virginia media.
By Nov. 14, Brown was frustrated by unresolved issues -- including a pitch to sell the athletic department Web site and use profits to pay for the assistants' bonuses. Brown pressured administrators for a December meeting while suggesting that his client could leave: "Why is this important? There is a projected opening at Texas A&M this year and Florida State next year. Rich's name is being mentioned heavily."
On Dec. 4, Wilcox wrote to Walker that the president needed to meet with Rodriguez: "... It's really important in light of [Ed Pastilong's] remarks and the deteriorating relationship. ... It's not good and getting worse."
On Dec. 13, Walker told Wilcox that Garrison was "totally committed to working toward all reasonable requests to improve the program. But, at this point, another session to bring up the same issues will just not be productive for anyone." Three days later, the day after 11th-hour meetings with Walker and Garrison and after Rodriguez already left for Michigan, a graduate assistant turned in Rodriguez's handwritten resignation letter to Pastilong.
In other developments at West Virginia:
The Black Coaches and Administrators association and the university's Office of Social Justice have launched investigations into former offensive coordinator Calvin Magee's allegations of racism and discrimination before he officially left West Virginia for Michigan, as reported in Sunday's Post-Gazette.
"There are obviously some things that don't sit right," said BCA executive director Floyd Keith, who already has opened talks with Magee. "From what I'm understanding, Calvin never really interviewed or had an opportunity to interview. I think our evaluation will determine whether there was an official interview given to a coach of color, which is what we're concerned about."
Garrison, in a statement released last weekend, said, "There is absolutely no room at this university for discrimination ... or for denying anyone the chance to ... serve as a faculty or staff member on any criteria other than their own ability."
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Of course you would come up with thtat nonsense. How did WVU not live up to the contract? Was there budget amounts listed in the contract? Are you SERIOUSLY saying that? I want facts, not blind homerism portrayed as such.
They must not have gave him his paycheck?? Its also amazing that WVU wants to get the court case done and over with and RR and his legal team are trying to drag it out as long as possible. Pay the money you are obligated to pay and be done with it you weasel!!!
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And another one.......but by all means.....it's still blind homerism. I'm sure the Columbus Dispatch probably didn't pick these stories up huh? LOL. http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07352/842541-144.stmWVU officials blamed for coach leavingTuesday, December 18, 2007 By Chuck Finder, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette The wealthy donors primarily responsible for keeping Rich Rodriguez as head football coach at West Virginia University 53 weeks ago are angry and frustrated over his departure this week for the University of Michigan. Their ire isn't directed at Mr. Rodriguez. It's aimed at WVU administrators. "I tell you what, I've never seen anything mishandled as much as this was," Bob Reynolds, former chief operating officer of Fidelity Investments, said yesterday. "Here's a university that made a $200,000 decision -- it probably could've cost less than that [to keep Mr. Rodriguez] -- and it's going to cost them millions" in booster support, potential bowl money and revenue from football success. "I've had calls from at least six major contributors to the program, and they're all done [donating] because they know the Mickey Mouse things that have gone on there," Mr. Reynolds continued. "I've been in business 36 years, and it's the worst business decision I've ever seen. I've been the COO of a 45,000-person company. When somebody's producing, you ask, 'What can I do for you to make your life better?' Not 'What can I do to make your life more miserable?' They have no idea how big this is. It's frightening." Mr. Reynolds declined to discuss it, but one source said he informed university officials yesterday that he planned to withdraw $12 million in donations he pledged to the school. Earl G. "Ken" Kendrick Jr., a part owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks and benefactor to the WVU College of Business and Economics and other colleges in his home state, said: "I'm severely disappointed in leadership. I'm discouraged by the decision-making and lack of judgment. And the lack of respect for key employees -- because this isn't just about Rich, he's just the most high-profile one. It's a sad story. It's compelling to me as somebody who's given emotional and financial support to the university. And it makes it questionable to me as I go forward." Mr. Rodriguez, both at the top of his program's prestige and other colleges' candidate lists, made what he considered relatively simple requests. However, his employers considered them "gun-to-the-head" demands because he already had the Michigan offer, said one source close to the administration. All agree that the details separating the two sides had nothing to do with Mr. Rodriguez getting richer. In separate meetings with Athletic Director Ed Pastilong, Chief of Staff Craig Walker and, finally, late Saturday night with newly installed President Mike Garrison, he asked the university to do the following: • Allow at least an additional $100,000 in bonus money for his assistants. • Allow scholarship players to retain possession of textbooks at the end of each term, which meant they could have sold them, as apparently happens at other programs. • Waive a $5 ticket fee for each high-school football coach attending Mountaineer home games, a fee that generates an estimated $5,000 for the university each season. • Hire seven graduate assistants and a new recruiting coordinator, to ease the duties performed by secondary coach Tony Gibson. "You could do them in 15 minutes," Mr. Reynolds said of the wish list. Those supporters, who pledged millions last December for the six-year, $1.9 million-per-year contract that helped to keep Mr. Rodriguez from accepting the University of Alabama coaching position, offered to absorb the additional costs. Their offer was denied. "It is frustrating to me that when push came to shove, we weren't included in a possible solution," said Wheeling, W.Va., lawyer Dean Hartley, who last year donated toward VIP seating added to Mountaineer Field. "We were not asked to do anything that would bridge the divide that had developed obviously between the administration and Rich. Over the weekend, I've just been bitter over the way it was handled, especially knowing that it wasn't about Rich getting a raise." "[Mr. Rodriguez] was flabbergasted, because this did not have to happen," said Mr. Reynolds, a Boston-area resident who also donated toward the new academic center that was part of Mr. Rodriguez's deal last December. "It just became political, and he didn't think he was supported. And I don't blame him." Some of the items discussed were part of the contract extension signed Aug. 24, more than eight months after the details were first hammered out last December. Mr. Rodriguez's representatives maintain that university administrators agreed to other requests that haven't been met, though they decline to publicly specify them. In short, it means Mr. Rodriguez might contest the $4 million he owes WVU to buy out his contract, by claiming the university acted in bad faith or fraudulently.
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ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING has been positive this spring around the program. Former players, the local media, local coaches, former coaches......they're ALL singing the praises of how practices are being run, how the new staff is treating players and fellow staff members (even outside the coaching umbrella) and also how committed everyone is to returning Michigan back in to a dominant football power.
I love the offseason.  This sounds remarkably similar to last spring.....the poor wolvereenies so optimistic with all the vets returning. I think it's a bit premature to use "dominant football power" just yet. Lloyd Cooper was committed, also.
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Here's an interesting article.......wonder if this guy is a Michigan homer?
Yes, Wolverines: you’ll be working really hard
By Matt Hayes - SportingNews
This is uncomfortable for me because it’s something I prefer to steer clear of.
I don’t like to take college players to task for one basic reason: They’re not paid. For me, it doesn’t get beyond “played poorly” or “struggled” or “blew an assignment” because frankly, it’s not appropriate.
Besides, coaches are an easy target. They get paid to run the team and get paid to take the criticism.
Only now, I must take exception with Michigan offensive lineman Justin Boren. Earlier this week, Boren said he was leaving Michigan because “family values” he had grown accustomed to had “eroded in just a few months” under new coach Rich Rodriguez.
Before we go further, let’s get a few undeniable things out of the way:
• Some players don’t like new coaches; some bitch and moan about them.
• Some players persevere, others walk away.
• And some—the few—take their ball and whine all the way home.
Here, ladies and gentlemen, is where we find Boren. Coaching changes aren’t easy on anyone—not the coach leaving, the coach hired and most certainly not the players recruited by the previous coach. It is, as much as anything, the first real life experience for college kids.
In the real world, we call this turnover. We have a job, we love our job and now all of a sudden we have a new boss. And the new boss is different.
Not all bosses motivate the same. Some motivate with positive reinforcement, others with fear and still others with goal-oriented benchmarks. Some use a combination of all three.
Now here’s what’s important: Nearly every new boss is not like the old boss. Boren’s comfort zone that felt so easy and so right is now gone. Of course, that comfort zone included losses to rival Ohio State in six of the last seven years.
Rodriguez was hired to win football games; it’s just that simple. He was hired to beat Ohio State—not placate 18-, 19- and 20-year-old kids who don’t like change.
Every new coach goes through this; just like every new boss goes through it. It’s a process: Weeding out those who don’t fit. Some don’t like to work hard, some are malcontents.
The big buzz in the first few spring practices at Michigan was offensive linemen adjusting to the no-huddle approach in Rodriguez’s scheme. Translation: You’re running your ass off.
Those who fall behind will be pushed harder and longer, mentally and physically. That’s coaching, people.
Any dime store psychologist will say you can’t motivate through fear. Well, a guy named John Wooden—who won a few championships in his career—says a coach’s best friend is the bench. In other words, play hard or sit.
“I’m not going out there and running people off,” Rodriguez told the Detroit News. “I’ve been running these kinds of practices for 20 years.”
Those are the same practices he ran at West Virginia, where his first team in 2001 won three games while working through the transition. Those players were used to Don Nehlen, a Lloyd Carr clone if there ever was one. Both Nehlen and Carr are good men and good coaches, but they lost their ability to motivate players to maximize their abilities.
Listen people, Rodriguez won 32 games over the last three years. You don’t do that by coddling your players.
And anyone who watched the Fiesta Bowl three months ago knows that West Virginia team—when healthy—would beat any in college football. If you’re Michigan, that’s what you hold onto.
Not the words of a departing player who took his ball and whined all the way home.
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An adult wrote that? About a kid? Nice. What proof did he provide to back up that this kid was not telling the truth? Frankly, I don't know if the kid is telling the truth or not. But, if the author is going to rip a kid like this, he probably should provide some proof that the kid is a whiner. He provided none. Lame. Btw..........isn't there a board for UM? Serious question. Because you post way, way, way more about UM than you do the Browns.
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Btw..........isn't there a board for UM? Serious question. Because you post way, way, way more about UM than you do the Browns.
Deal with it an move on.
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Yet you still haven't provided ON INSTANCE of WVU not living up to their contract. Typical homerism to spout off and then back it with everything but evidence of a breach of contract.
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Yet you still haven't provided ON INSTANCE of WVU not living up to their contract. Typical homerism to spout off and then back it with everything but evidence of a breach of contract.
LOL. Seriously? Not a lawyer are we? Maybe the ongoing investigation has something to do with that huh? Or do lawyers usually post all their private information, that could be case sensitive, on the internet?
With a pending trial, headline information isn't going to be for public consumption at this point. The above, that was mentioned in the articles, was highlighted as known things that were agreed upon but not met (text books stuff, money for assistants, free tickets for HS coaches, money for an academic center, etc, etc). But all that apparently doesn't qualify as and instance of WVU not living up to their end of the cntract? Wonder why that is?
If you READ the articles, you would have noticed that his lawyer also said their are additional things that they wish not to discuss publicly. Maybe one of those will satisfy judge B. I'm sure all that will come out at a later date but I do find it funny that all you do is pop in and call people homers all the time.
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