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Btw..........isn't there a board for UM? Serious question. Because you post way, way, way more about UM than you do the Browns. 
I appreciate your concern. Remind me again, aren't there different SECTIONS to this forum? Or am I just imagining that? Cause I could have sworn this is called "The Tailgate Lot" and that an OSU fan created this thread. Maybe you should ask him why he's posting threads about UM. I'm sure he's appreciated the concern from the message board police. 
I talk about the Browns for most of the year. Please oh mighty Vers, forgive me from talking about anything else on your message board.
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Don't blame me that you made an accusation against WVU with NO EVIDENCE. If you don't want to be called a homer, stop being one. I find it funny that you make this statements with no proof as if they are fact because he goes to your beloved scUM. 
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Man verse is trouble NAS...don't get into a posting match with him...he will always want to get the last word... You guys are pathetic...both sides...we all know the story lies somewhere in between... Rich Rod is not evil...he has values just like any other human being....he wants whats best for him and his family money wise...and if he can get more thts wht he will do....was his leaving of WVU a good thing? hell we can't make that call..just because he went to school there he doesn't owe WVU his life...he gave the program all he had and it was his time to move on when he got a shot at MIchigan which as much as some of you have said is NOT the same as WVU...MEEchigan is a step up... In short...the guy isn't as horrible as everyone is making out to be..but he isn't a saint either...fact is he left his team after signing a long term contract just year or 2 ago(i think?) think of all the students that he brought in the year he signed his contract..you think they would have come there if they knew he was going to leave? i'm sure we aren't hearing about it too much cuz one of his assitant coaches took over the team and it's not a HUGE prb like it is with MICHIGAN right now and Carr leaving... As for recruits,, both teams are going to have up and down years...it's OSU and MI!! it won't change...right now OSU is ownin them.....50 years later michigan might own us(LOL yes the diehard fan in me won't let me be realistic on that #..even tho i kno it won't be 50 i will say 50 years  ) OSU>Michigan right now and that is all that matters
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Don't blame me that you made an accusation against WVU with NO EVIDENCE. If you don't want to be called a homer, stop being one. I find it funny that you make this statements with no proof as if they are fact because he goes to your beloved scUM.
Can you not read or what? The writer of the article listed things that were verbal/hand shake agreements between the two parties when RR agreed to SIGN HIS EXTENSION (sideline pass, text books, academic center, money for assistants, etc). Those things, as of December, were not fulfilled. RR asked that they be addressed when UM offered him a contract and WVU declined, so he left. I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand. I never said any of this was written in stone but you asked for examples, they were given and you ignore them. Not sure what you want.
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This is seriously getting a bit ridiculous for me.
LOL.....it is ridiculous. You made back-to-back posts where you were rubbing it in like a kid. Here, take a look:
Michigan just received a 2009 commit from Massilon Washington Safety Justin Turner (#42 overall prospect in the class of 2009). He was the #4 ranked recruit in the state and the #1 DB / Athlete recruit in Ohio according to Rivals. Was a kid Tressell really wanted. 
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Annnnnd.....Michigan picks up another commitment today from 5'10'' 200 LB Detroit Cass Tech RB Teric Jones. An incredibly athletic scat-back ala Steve Slaton.
Seems that "image" problem sure is hurting them.
And you don't expect the people of Ohio to come back on you? 
This is a Brown's board. Most of the people here either live in Ohio or have strong ties to Ohio. Ohio State is the team most Ohioans follow. I don't go to any Michigan boards and brag on Ohio State. It's called class. Try getting some!
Also, I love how your version of the truth has become Thee truth in regards to the player who left.
You know............perhaps if you Michigan guys were not so damn obnoxious, you wouldn't be getting any grief. Seriously, you have a lot of nerve coming to an Ohio board and bad-mouthing OSU and wolfing about how great Michigan is, especially since we have been kicking your ass for some time now.
We had to listen to Michigan fan's obnoxious comments when Cooper was here and you were kicking our ass. But, we sure don't have to listen to it now. Especially on our home turf.
This board isn't your "turf." This is a Browns board, which happens to have a tailgate lot section that allows for posting towards college football among other things.
Also, if you can find one instance of me coming on here and bragging and being obnoxious towards OSU, let me know. I hate OSU, almost as much as the Steelers, but I respect the program and the coaches. Tressel is running a pretty good ship in Columbus. I usually only respond to posts about Michigan or OSU when I feel it necessary, and try to state my opinion and give any insight into the situation that I can.
Why is it that some OSU fans(definitely not all) are allowed to rip Michigan left and right, rip the coaches, rip the players, and whatever else they can, yet when anyone that is a Michigan fan posts anything about Michigan or joins the discussion, they are being classless?
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C'mon, agreements or not RR left for the dough. Doesn't make him evil or bad or anything else. Just don't suggest he left for some noble reason. It's the money. It's always the money.
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I can read just fine. Unfortunately, your homerism doesn't allow you to understand what a contract is apparently. You see, YOU claimed that WVU breached the contract. They didn't. Period. End of story. Keep spinning any way you want. If it isn't in writing, then it's he said/she said. Not only did RR want to back out of his contract without paying the agreed upon penalty IN WRITING, but he is also not the sharpest knife in the drawer if he was dumb enough to not get what he is claiming was his reasons for leaving NOT put into the contract. Then again, he is a coach at Michigan, so him not being to bright goes without saying.
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C'mon, agreements or not RR left for the dough. Doesn't make him evil or bad or anything else. Just don't suggest he left for some noble reason. It's the money. It's always the money.
Haha, I never said he left for a noble reason I just find it funny that everyone is trying to portray him as such a bad guy. Or that they're trying to drag him through the mud based on a bunch of national enquirer type info that WVU filtered in to the press.
Money surely played a part in that (him leaving) but so did WVU's administration dragging their feet on some pretty reasonable requests. Not only the money going in to his pockets but the amount of money Michigan is willing to shell out for his coaches, new facilities, equipment, academics, recruiting, etc. etc. I don't see why a guy is so horrible when he identifies another job that will allow him to potentially be as successful as he could possibly be as a coach and decides to move on?
I understand it's the Michigan / Ohio State thing but I've never seen so many people grasping at straws in hopes of bringing down someone that isn't a bad guy. I know some people are prodding but others are not and I just find it a bit odd that's all. "Ohio" message board or not. 
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The only one grasping at straws is you. RR left and broke his WRITTEN CONTRACT. He now wants to not abide by the penalty WRITTEN IN THE CONTRACT. You can spin that any way you want, but it does show his true character. He chased the money and doesn't want to be held to the WRITTEN AGREEMENT he signed. You can't refute that. Period. End of discussion. Take of the homer vision and you'd see that. It has nothing to do with OSU/Michigan. It has to do with his character.
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The only one grasping at straws is you. RR left and broke his WRITTEN CONTRACT. He now wants to not abide by the penalty WRITTEN IN THE CONTRACT. You can spin that any way you want, but it does show his true character. He chased the money and doesn't want to be held to the WRITTEN AGREEMENT he signed. You can't refute that. Period. End of discussion. Take of the homer vision and you'd see that. It has nothing to do with OSU/Michigan. It has to do with his character.
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Yeah, since you can't deal in facts, I guess we are.
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Yeah, since you can't deal in facts, I guess we are.
LOL. No, you just ignore every response and cut and paste something similar to all the rest of your posts. It's like arguing with a piece of paper. There's words there but they're not going to change. I already posted (more then once) the issues RR had with WVU and what areas, that both parties agreed would be addressed, that continued to be neglected by the administration. It's not worth wasting anymore time over when you are the one having a comprehension problem. The facts are there, you're just failing to recognize them and that makes me the homer.
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Yeah, since you can't deal in facts, I guess we are.
LOL. No, you just ignore every response and cut and paste something similar to all the rest of your posts. It's like arguing with a piece of paper. There's words there but they're not going to change.
Well in al fairness I think all of our posts are starting to become redundant, between this thread and the Terelle Pryor thread we have beaten this horse to a pulp.
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Yeah, since you can't deal in facts, I guess we are.
LOL. No, you just ignore every response and cut and paste something similar to all the rest of your posts. It's like arguing with a piece of paper. There's words there but they're not going to change.
Well in al fairness I think all of our posts are starting to become redundant, between this thread and the Terelle Pryor thread we have beaten this horse to a pulp.
So there is still some pulp though? 
I'm done arguing about it. I'll chime in here and there on OSU / UM stuff but it always end up going down the same road. Nowhere that is. Haven't gotten roped in to one of these arguments in a while for this exact reason but hey, it happens. Good for the post count I suppose.
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And before it is brought up, and I know it would be, WVU wouldn't let him coach in the Bowl game, that wasn't his decision. I understand why they didn't let him, but still doesn't change that.
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Also, I didn't spin anything when it came to the Bowl game. That is a fact. Nice try though.
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"The players are upset because he said he's going to leave before the bowl game," James Dykes, the father of West Virginia defensive tackle Keilen Dykes told ESPN's Joe Schad. "At least coach them in the bowl game. James just called to tell us and I know he is very upset about this."
This article makes it sound like you did spin it. In fact I remember RR speaking in public saying he would not coach WVU in the bowl game because he was "at UM now, and it wouldn't be right." That he wanted to get started "right away."
I know you guys are trying to defend that snake, but at least get your facts straight.
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You ever figure out how this resembles Steve Fisher taking over at Michigan................................................yeah, didnt think so.
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You ever figure out how this resembles Steve Fisher taking over at Michigan................................................yeah, didnt think so.
Michigan still has a basketball team?? Damn didnt know.
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And before it is brought up, and I know it would be, WVU wouldn't let him coach in the Bowl game, that wasn't his decision. I understand why they didn't let him, but still doesn't change that.
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Also, I didn't spin anything when it came to the Bowl game. That is a fact. Nice try though.
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"The players are upset because he said he's going to leave before the bowl game," James Dykes, the father of West Virginia defensive tackle Keilen Dykes told ESPN's Joe Schad. "At least coach them in the bowl game. James just called to tell us and I know he is very upset about this."
This article makes it sound like you did spin it. In fact I remember RR speaking in public saying he would not coach WVU in the bowl game because he was "at UM now, and it wouldn't be right." That he wanted to get started "right away."
I know you guys are trying to defend that snake, but at least get your facts straight.
Well, I remember reading the story on ESPN not too long after he accepted the job. I spent about 15 minutes on their site searching for it with no luck. If I happen to run across it soon I'll get it posted up.
It really doesn't matter either way. No matter what is said on here, and no matter what is posted, the select few OSU fans on here like King, Vers, and a few others will continue to bash UM. They will continue to post their little smack posts and run their mouths, so posting anything for discussion is basically pointless. I'm am here for good football discussion, not to argue back and forth with no end. With a select few posters here, it is like talking to a brick wall when OSU is brought into the situation. 
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It was said in jest, but read the thread man. It's all layed out for you.
Steve Fisher was a snake and a cheater, just like RR. RR has not been caught for anything illegal....yet, but he has the snake thing covered.
And before you ask me how Rich cheated; going after committed recruits and getting them to renege on their commitments is low. He treats his people like his sons huh? So he is teaching them how to be a snake like him and renege on agreements? Great parenting RR, glad you are the face of my University.
If I was a UM fan, I would be grasping at straws as well and focusing on all the possible positive outcomes, so I don't blame you all, but can not one of you stand up and say this guy is shady? I live in MI and I gotta tell you, many here are willing to say it. They see what is right in front of them. Rich is a snake. He is a good coach, but he is a snake. Bottom line.
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Whether you like it or not, there are some potentially smelly issues regarding RR and the UM program. It's not smack to point them out, especially given the title of this thread.
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Whether you like it or not, there are some potentially smelly issues regarding RR and the UM program. It's not smack to point them out, especially given the title of this thread.
That wasn't the smack I was refering to. I was refering to the multiple smack posts mainly by King and Vers.
People can believe what they want about the situation. I guess we will all learn what is true and what isn't in the future,
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It really doesn't matter either way. No matter what is said on here, and no matter what is posted, the select few OSU fans on here like King, Vers, and a few others will continue to bash UM.
I haven't bashed UM. In fact, I said right away that I have always respected Michigan. I want the rivalry to continue its great tradition. The series is known for close, hard-fought games and having two honest programs. I view UM in a similar light as I view the Steelers. I think the Steelers under the direction of the Rooney family, is first rate. They have shown restraint, class, and integrity.
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This board isn't your "turf." This is a Browns board, which happens to have a tailgate lot section that allows for posting towards college football among other things.
I never said it was my turf. What I said was this:
This board is a Brown's board. Most members either live in Ohio or have Ohio ties. I did not say "all." I said "most." I said that you guys should respect the majority. I also said that I do not go to Michigan boards and try to start trouble. I called it class. A better word would have been respect. It's about not antagonizing the majority. Show respect. I'm sure there are plenty of boards that are devoted to UM football. And I never said not to talk about UM football, but to simply keep in mind who you are addressing.
I also brought up it's kind of lame to brag when we have been winning recently and we got the recruit UM really wanted. You guys really aren't in a position to brag right now.
Now..........I have come to understand that nas and that Brownie fellow don't want to hear it. So be it. I asked. They refused.
But dude, don't turn things around. Don't make stuff up about me. I never said I owned this board. I never said this was my turf. I also don't continually bash Michigan. In fact, I rarely bash them. I've actually praised their tradition and program.
Post away.......keep thinking it is cool to antagonize the majority. In the meantime, I will continue my practice of not going to Michigan boards and starting crap w/Michigan folks.
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Keep reaching, Nas. You are really funny with the way you twist things to try to make RR look so good. You said that WVU didn't live up to their end of the contract. I asked you for proof of that. You then post things that have nothing to do with the contract. You claim that they didn't keep an agreement on a "handshake" deal. Guess what, Nas, that isn't breaching the contract.
You keep spouting the same nonsense. So, I will ask you ONCE AGAIN. Prove your statement that WVU didn't live up to the CONTRACT they had with RR. C'mon, you're so adamant in your defense, show me where WVU breached the CONTRACT that RR SIGNED. Don't talk about handshakes or conversations, show me evidence of the contract being breached by WVU. We all know that RR breached it, you 're just trying to justify it by claiming WVU did. So, put up or shut up.
The simple truth is you are wrong. The fact is RR signed an extension and the very next year bolted and doesn't want to pay the agreed upon penalty THAT IS IN A WRITTEN CONTRACT. Spin all you want. He didn't keep his word on a SIGNED CONTRACT and then doesn't want to keep his word on the buyout he agreed to on the SIGNED CONTRACT. That is a huge character flaw. Period.
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[ No matter what is said on here, and no matter what is posted, the select few OSU fans on here like King, Vers, and a few others will continue to bash UM. They will continue to post their little smack posts and run their mouths,
Ok except for a couple little posts why is me giving my opinion of RR smack but UM fans giving a opposite opinion not talking smack? Last time I checked, a discussion has two sides. So your side is good and righteous and the opposite side is bashing? Also, I have respect for UM as a program and their proud tradition, I think they have tarnished that image by hiring a weasel. That is my opinion of RR, not UM. This thread was about Michigans image, well the biggest issue with their image right now is RR, so I beleive my posts on him to be appropriate.
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You ever figure out how this resembles Steve Fisher taking over at Michigan................................................yeah, didnt think so.
Michigan still has a basketball team?? Damn didnt know.
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Yes, and that non-team kept OSU out of the NCAA tournament with a late season win against the Buckeyes.
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Yes, and that non-team kept OSU out of the NCAA tournament with a late season win against the Buckeyes.
Sorry, that one was teed up.
Ahh the once proud Michigan has now become nothing more than a team thats only highlight is hoping to be a spoiler
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It was michigan state that kept us out. That game was a fluke and you know it. Matta owns michigan like tressel does.
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Yes, and that non-team kept OSU out of the NCAA tournament with a late season win against the Buckeyes.
Sorry, that one was teed up.
There you go again. Grasping at straws.
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Nas, you know I've never had a problem with you and I don't now.
Neither do I give a damn about the whole state of Michigan or their problems. I watch on game day when they play the Bucks because I am an Ohio State fan and that game always interests me. Other than that I have no interest in this matter of your new coach, what he is doing up there or the why's and how comes he left WVU.
But I've read through this whole thread and see the arguement and hear both sides. I've read the articles you've posted that lean toward blaming the school for dropping the ball and losing their coach. What interests me is that none of it allows for the possibility that RR was an A-hole in his dealings with the school administrators and they tired of dealing with him.
I could be, in light of the statements made of his demanding coaching style that seems to have bothered more than one player, that he also dealt with the administration in the same manner. It's also interesting that he bypassed and went over the heads of some of the athletic dept. people.
Like I said, I don't care one way or another what went on or what is going on. But those articles simply don't allow for the possiblity that RR was/is a very demanding personality who may have wrongly used his coaching style within the realm of administrative discussions.
Not saying that he did that. But nothing I've seen so far excludes that as a possiblity which could be the reason everything fell apart.
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But, we sure don't have to listen to it now. Especially on our home turf.
That, to me, was you trying to say this board is OSU fans' turf. This board isn't your home turf or anyone else's.
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Whatever you say buddy....it's a Ohio sports team board and in ohio the buckeyes rule...sure most of the fans on this board might not live in ohio..but i would bet you anything that the reason they are a browns fan is they lived in ohio sometimes in their life and are also buckeye fans...
if we took a vote right now as to how many ppl on this board r buckeye fans i would venture to say it's the majority
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I'm just going to drop it. I tried asking them to respect the majority and they don't want to see that. That's their right, I suppose. Then again..........I don't want to hear them whine when they get "picked on."
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if we took a vote right now as to how many ppl on this board r buckeye fans i would venture to say it's the majority
I would almost guarantee that the majority of people here are Buckeye fans, I never said that they weren't, and I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is when anyone other than Buckeye fans voice their opinion or say something that isn't what the majority wants to hear, they get jumped on and called homers and whatever else. This is a Browns' board. Ohio team or not, that does not make it an OSU board.
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fair nuf...but you have to expect a little OSU bias on this board that is all i am gettin it
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When those "opinions" are based on homerism and not on facts, what do you expect? Seriously. Nas claimed that WVU breached the contract. Then he posted things that do not support that, only that say they didn't keep a "handshake" agreement. That's why he was called a homer. He made accusations with nothing to back it up to prop up RR.
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Dude, despite yours and Nas' obviously poor choice in college sports team I respect you both as knowledgable fans of your team. I just think you both have been kind of blind to a lot of the character issues that have been raised about RR. I understand after years of Lloyd Carr you guys are excited about a possible turn around for the program and you guys are not being open minded about some of the issues being raised. JMO. KING
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Dude, despite yours and Nas' obviously poor choice in college sports team I respect you both as knowledgable fans of your team. I just think you both have been kind of blind to a lot of the character issues that have been raised about RR. I understand after years of Lloyd Carr you guys are excited about a possible turn around for the program and you guys are not being open minded about some of the issues being raised. JMO.
KING
Believe me, I am a bit concerned about the issues that have been brought up, but I just don't see too much in them when nothing that has been said has any factual evidence to back it up. They are rumors at this point. Until more is proved about them, I don't see the need to get all worked up about them. I also believe that while we may be a little blind towards the situation, that some OSU fans may also be making more of the situation simply because it is against Michigan. Kind of works both ways I think.
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[ OSU fans may also be making more of the situation simply because it is against Michigan. Kind of works both ways I think.
Of course we are, that is human nature. If it is something negative, and it is about Michigan, it must be true 
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